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You'll find that PCI-X/PCIx is basically a double length, 64-bit PCI slot with double the bandwidth of traditional PCI which is used on server systems. An average motherboard does not have them, never has, and never will, period.

Modern boards generally have PCI slots and a mixture of PCI-E slots, be they 32x/16x/8x/4x/2x/1x. Not PCI-X.

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PCI-e 1x slots are generally regarded as PCIx slots since it is a PCIe 1x slot.
And it is assumed what someone is talking about especially since we are dealing with standard motherboards and not server boards.

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Wo, see I didn't even think about the 64bit PCI slots.
Thats just stupid think they'd be in a standard board, and thinking you can ever get/afford PCIx components.

I wasn't playing stupid, you are.
My cooling doesn't play any affect on how small the PCB of the boards are.
The simple fact is, boards are to small, having water or air will not change that.

Actually, now I know that its the 64bit PCI slots you can't.
I tried fitting a raid card from work in my system rather then run on the intergrated, it didn't fit.

OMG make up your mind as to which one you mean.
Its either 1* PCI or 64bit PCI

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You dont need 2 slots for a video card if you have a waterblock. Thus, it frees up a PCIx slot. And if you think a board is too small why dont you get a server board then? Those will surely have enough SATA ports for you.

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lol, yeah you know, I'll just pull apart my graphics card to remove the heatsink and fan, then go out and buy watercooling.
I think you'll find kow, 90% of GPUs are dual slot, weather or not you like it. I rather not play operation on them.

FYI, Server boards are also ATX size, They don't have need for TV Tuners or GPUs, and so they have A) Different slots and B) The same small size.
Also, The X3200s and X3400s a common server, Their boards only have 6 Sata ports on there, I'm already over that amount, And im not going to pay 2K for a blade board now am I, considering it'll lack features such as PCIe 2, and more to the point, PCIe slots

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Then stop your bitching and deal with what you have. The fact is that 90% of video cards DO NOT use dual slots. The fact is that 90% of video cards are onboard. Thus your need for "more slots" is pretty much null and void considering that you're the .0001% that needs 342897348923784973892074 PCIe slots and 483574895789345 PCI slots.

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Thats just bullshit and you know it.
Find me one 200 series, 9 series, and original 8 series that doesn't use Dual slot.

I specifically remember MANY articles on the 8800GT saying how it was the first single slot 8 series solution. GTX 280, Dual slot, 260, Dual slot, 295 dual slot, GX2's all dual slots, 9800GTX dual slot, GTX+ dual slot, 8800GTX Dual slot, GTS dual slot, GTS G92, Dual slot, 8800 Ultra Dual slot.

Actually no, get rid of the sarcasm and grow up a bit.
I have more then enough PCIe slots, more then enough PCI slots, What I don't have is enough room on the motherboard to actually USE what I've payed for.

There is no point in having slots that will get overlapped by other cards, I aswell just throw 100$ down the drain, and the other 300$ for my motherboard.
I've payed, for somethign I can't use, Because companies are to thick and stupid to think "Hey, they arn't usable in the majority of "Enthusiast" systems, maybe we should make a better design or use ETX instead!"

What I NEED is more Sata ports, 8 isn't enough, I may be in the minority there using more then 8 sata ports, but im in the majority when it comes to wanting to use slots that are over lapped by oversized graphics cards.

Kow, don't tell me to stop my bitching and deal with what I have, if I couldn't deal with it I wouldn't use my system/couldn't use my system.
I'm not bitching, im more stating that companies need to consider better designed boards or simple make varients in ETX sizes for those that actually want to use all the slots on their board.
Yes, I want to use both PCI slots, and all three PCIe slots, that can't happen due to the fact they place slots to close together (due to small sized PCB) and don't stop to consider the design and what components go into said slots.

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You dont even have crossfire. And you're not even using all your slots.

Dont tell me that high end cards make up 90% of the market because that is not so. I bet you a billion dollars that low end ($50) cards sell 3x as much as high end cards. Thus your "90% of all cards" nonsense doesn't fly.

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I do have to agree with that to be fair. Far from being in the majority by wanting to use all your slots, I imagine that the majority of systems on sale today have everything onboard and don't have anything in the expansion slots at all. Even those machines that do have dedicated graphics cards, the vast majority of them are going to be low end through to midrange ones with single slot coolers.

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Let me rephrase, Majority of Enthusiast systems.
Cruddy home systems I don't count, I mean us, "Gamers" or "Enthusiasts" (however you spell that crappy gay work lol)

Did you not read?
I want to do crossfire, but can't as it will mean I wasted money on a TV Tuner, because the PCIe slot will OVERLAP the PCI slot being used by the TV Tuner.

If I go crossfire, I lose my PCI slot from overlap of todays huge ass crappy mofo GPUs.
90% of enthusist cards, are either 7, 8, 9 or 200 series, and it was around mid range 7 series (7600 say) when the whole stock, huge ass, dual slot GPUs started coming into play, Now most of the 8, 9 and 200 series are dual slot.
They also make up majority of cards *easily 90%* used by either gamers or PC enthusists.

No this isn't me changing my argument, this is me rephrasing what I am meaning.