In the long run, who will win?
 

So lets say GW had to close down and they wanted to put a proper end to the warhammer 40,000 Universe by making one of the existing races the final victor. Who do you think it would be and why?

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I think that it should be Imperium, because they're the "human side"... I wouldn't like it if some other race would win:( (well, except for orks) but I'll say Imperium, We are Humans, Not aliens (except for Xenos)

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Well, it sure as hell isn't going to be the Dark Eldar, lets face facts here :lol:

The Tau don't really 'invade', at least, not on a full scale. I can't really see them trying to annihilate everyone, at least, not the way the Chaos or Tyranids would.

Orks are unorganised. It has been said that if they all got together, and actually became organised, then they could probably own every other race, and in turn conquer the galaxy.

Eldar are too few to pose a serious threat. Yes, they are good, but their numbers are few, and launching a full scale war would leave them weak, thus they're out.

The Necrons don't want to get out of bed, so I guess that rules them out, at least, for the moment. There are four Necron Gods, if they are all evil, then chances are, once they're awoken, they could probably perish the galaxy once again as they did before, and then they'd go back to sleep.

I think the 'win' is with the Tyranids, Chaos Marines, or Imperium. The Imperium speaks for itself, they are humans, and they have a lot of power behind them. Chaos again, have power, and Daemons, and Tyranids are in essence, an organised swarm (unlike the Orks, who are an unorganised swarm).

The Tyranids could probably do it if more were sent in.

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C'tan shall punish all the fools who follow the new race called 'humans' the 4 C'tan shall awaken soon, when that happens all races will perish! The Eldar realise there fate....why not you? The mighty necrontyr race has spoken!

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I would say Nids but I think that the "good" power will be force to aline against them and the nids would be basically aniliated. I don't think Chaos wants to win, they want alot of deaths, which they can get more of if they keep the fight going.

Necrons are ruled out in my opinion becuase the raes that they are facing them actually have technology now, which before they probably didn't. Also the 4 c'tan guides infight so i don't think they could wipe out life again.

So i say Imperium if the emperor comes back as a warp god. IF not I say tau becuase they would be leaching people from the empire.

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I think it could be chaos or imperium, or at last tiranids.

Chaos are ALSO humans, bad, but humans hehehe, just think about a 2nd heresy for the final battle before GWS closes

Nids could win, but i think that GWS wouldn't let them win, evil or good, humans would win.

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lolz, pretty bad thing to say (if games-workshop had to close down) Anyways... :p I think it would be Tau cause what you here they could annihalate anything. I'm not a big fan of Tau but most likely, because:

-Eldar; extinct.
-Space marines; loss of marines (not enough)
-imperial gaurd; eventually die out.
-Dark Eldar Not enough warriors.
-Chaos....Damn can't think of a fault for chaos other than, Tau will butcher them eventually.
-Daemon/Witch Hunters, loss of warriors.
-Orks, no match for Tau guns.
-Necrons...Well I don't know.

I think that sums it up??? ;)

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No i dont think that sums it up lol....there is only 1 way to find out which will win and thats by a 7 clones of the same person playing a diffrent race and a all out battle lol

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Nope you could not do that and decide after lets say eldar win.But eldar got 5 giant ships size of planet.Imperium got billions of planets. AHEM!
And tau have also few planets and of course they could not convert galaxy because they cant travel in warp making them unable to reach distant planets.
There are only 2 possible ways to "end" W40k.Only if chaos gods are destroyed there could be peace so only if "Star child" and/or Ynnead scenarios happen AND imperium destroys everyone else (eldars could hide :) ) there would be "end".If you think that Necrons cant be defeated they can,if you destroy every tomb world they dont have place where to phase out.Orks could be biggest problem,maybe making Ork-off sprays or making some viruses would help.
But still,there could be w50k with wars between more than one galaxy,sweet:naughty:.

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I would say the Imperium.
Upon the Emperors acension to godhood his view of the ideal Gavalxy will be spawned E.g. No Xenos, Physkers and Chaos.

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Well here it goes *deep breath in*

Dark Eldar- No chance, unless by some strange act a massive event happens in the galaxy wipping out all othe rlife in the universe and leaving cormugath(spelling?) unharmed. Which is not going to happen, they will just end up being eaten by slaanesh in the end.

Ork's- Ork unity is not a probable idea, but unity is not required in order to ahnihilate every other race in the galaxy, so there's a chance they could dominate. But orks would never be able to defeat the chaos gods or C'tan unless Gork and Morg (which im not sure even exists, if somone could give me a link to some fluff about them it would be appreciated) intervened.

Eldar- They will not ahnihilate all life in the galaxy, but then again complete dominiation is not their goal. they will keep hidden and try to rebuild their shattered dominion, to them existance is winning.

Tau- Honestly, they may have advanced in technoloy at a rapid rate, but they have such a small dominion that it is impossible for them to invade any of the larger powers with any real gains. Imperium would crush them, Chaos will corrupt them, and if a Tyranid fleet of any real measure attacks there hoemworld, the tau ethereal cast will be all but wiped out and with them dies the greater good idel that is glueing the tiny empire together.

Imperium- The Imperium has the potential to destroy the weaker powers. However even if the god emperor was revived and heled the emperium to victory against the foe's of man, it is unlikely that they would be able to destroy the entire xenos population, unless they mastered the technology of the eldar, which is just a fevered dream for mankind at this point.

Tyranids- They are a strong force with the numbers and organisation, the only way i think that they could possibly loose was if the hivemind was located and slain, this would most likely only be possible to do for a god.

Necrons- They have the potential, but it would most likely never occur, seeing as the 4 star gods are in constant conflict and the necron forces are for the most part dormant and concentrated in certain areas. Besides if the C'tan actually managed to ahnihilate all life in the galaxy there would be nothing left to quench his thirst with, so i would assume that they would let the other races live simply to feed off of.

Chaos- Chaos for the win, i don't even really like chaos but they stand the greatest chance of victory, chaos can take anyform, from human, to kroot. The influence of chaos spreads as the warp increases and the galaxy becomes more and more unstable. Not necessarily the forces of chaos will win but their influence will span the galaxy over. Chaos could not be defeated either, for if they were the consiquences would be dire for the rest of the universe. If a chaos god was actually slain just imagine the reprecussions on the universe, the birthcry of slaanesh wiped out the eldar. I bet the death cry of Khorne would shatter almost all life in the galaxy. With that in mind the onyl way to defeat chaos would to seal the warp shut forever. No race is advanced enough or organised enough to fuffil this task, and even should they suceed another dilema would await them. Long range warping like used by the eldar is powered by energys from the warp. It's not the only force that relies on the warp for it's power, without it full scale invasion would take forever.


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Imperium.
Just because of sheer numbers.

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ok fellas, im going with eldar or chaos, simply because of rhana dhandra (i think its spelt like that) hence the FINAL battle between ELDAR and CHAOS

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no way eldar dont have the numbers like super star ash said if they had an all out war they'd get anhilliated(not sure on spelling)
but chaos would have a better chance

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Well seeing as the necrons went to sleep cause they had destroyed all life before, THEY CAN DO IT AGAIN!!!






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I would say chaos, they will kill the imperium, and any thing in thier path!

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I will vote the imperium. but I image orks and chaos will be an ever-persistant problem. and mayby once the've almost wiped the nids out they'll come back again. orks and the imperium are going to rape the hell out of the tau. The eldar will reteat into places unknown.

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In reality, i think the tyranids would destroy all other races. They are almost endless in number and the are the perfect killers. I believe they would have a difficult time killing all the humans and orks, but it would happen in the end.

Myself, I am a SM player, and would hope the imperium would win, being human myself, but i doubt it would happen.

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Im not sure about the order that the races would die in are bitThe way I see it is chaos will win. or at least last the longest. The chaos marines could easily be killed by concentrated imperial efforts and the deamons would die off when they no longer have the emotions of any living creature to feed from. The Dark eldar...well..they would get their ass kicked by almost any race that could be bothered attacking their homeworld. The tau would probably be killed by the necrons and the necrons then defeated when all their tomb worlds are destroyed. The imperium would eventually fall to the unending waves of orks and tyranids who would also attack each other. After one race has killed the other the victor would be left with nobody to fight and if it was the orks they would kill themselves off in infighting and the tyranids would have no biomass to eat. The eldar would probably fall pray to the tyranids aswell before the nids starve themselves to death. Anyone I messed there ( I cant even remember my own options now lol). So in the end, nobody wins cause they are all dead :rolleyes:

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Actually, I fully agree with necrodermis. If 40k was shut down for some reason, Games Workshop would probably Just kill off all the races somehow so all the different players would feel mildly satisfied but no one would win.
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Or they good just revert to cliches and let the "good guys" (meaning the imperium) win.

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I think GW would write some last fluff with detials in the last thousand years or so showing how each race slowly crumbles and meets its downfall. I think the Imperium would win over all simply because of the Emperor. Somone might get through to the high lords of terra to unplug him form the throne, This might cause huge problems in the warp but if say the Imperium has a like revoltion, the Emperor forces the Human race to advance in tech and stop the worship of the Machine God and slowly rebuilds is golden throne to once again destory Chaos with it.

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The impression I get from the fluff is that the Emperor won't survive forever - he is simply trying to hold out until the 'next stage' of human evolution begins. Nobody except the Emperor really knows the likely fate of the human race, which is why belief in him is so strong - he holds the key to possible salvation.

The Chaos Codex mentions that the human race is vulnerable to corruption by Chaos because although many humans have psychic powers, humanity hasn't reached its full psychic potential and their psychic abilities are unformed and dangerous. Given that this is a science fiction universe and even 'dark' science fiction is full of improbable twists and reversals of fate, it is possible that although the Imperium is crumbling and beset by enemies, something strange might happen at the last minute to turn things in humanity's favour.

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Like everyone becomes a mini Emperor. That would be a laugh

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Necrontyr? Your getting your Lore Confused. One's trapped in a Planet, when your trapped under Billions of Tons of Rock and Metal, you can't pry your way out, I don't care who you are. Your not really receiving any flow of power, your power is static, because you don't have any souls to eat. The other one is horribly insane and trapped under the Galaxy in some sort of Metaphysical Cube or something, one's the weakest of all of them and a Tzeentch wannabe. You've only got one whose really worthy of the title. A Psyker scares the shit out those Floating piles of Metal.

Either way, it's sure as Hell not going to be the Imperium, they lose planets constantly, their one side of fanatical corpse-worshippers against a Several Sides of Actual God Woshippers. When did GW ever state that the Emperor was going to be reborn as a God? If they did, it would be to appease the Imperial Fanboys and make more sales.

I say Chaos or Tyranids. You can't really "Kill" chaos, it always exists in some form, as long as their is Anger, Hope, Despair, or Perversion in the Universe, which seems to be Side-Effect of Life, Those Four Goombas are going to be there.

Tyranids, because, their are a lot of them, and they eat everything and make more of themselves. They can even eat Necrons! At least as long as "Living Metal" isn't used metaphorically.

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Eldar were created long ago to pwn necrons; thats why the old ones made them! Also, one word for why eldar win: Ynnead. The god of the dead; he will pawn you all!Here, we'll do it race-by-race.
Dark Eldar can't win; too weak, and they are limited to raids, not conquest. ANYONE can pwn them.
Necrons: Eldar have specific anti-necron weapons. Plus, people say rumors like "The Machine god is a C'tan" and stuff. That's just not possible: if the Machine God (part of the emperor) is a C'tan, that means all Imperium players PERSONALLY come and beat the Necron players to death.
Tyranids: So far, every hive fleet has been stopped; they don't have enough attack force size to win. And they attack really infrequently. They are merely a big, pointy nuisance. And if/when the Eldar regain their Empire, they will simply swat the nids aside and shatter the hivemind with some psychic thing or other.
Chaos: IF the Eldar finally go extinct (which they wont), Ynnead will rise and destroy Slaanesh, probably other Chaos gods too. Besides, the C'tan "Ancient Work" is to permanently seal the warp off. On top of that, Chaos can't recruit any new marines; once they gone, they gone. So chaos couldn't win.
Tau: They are just too small. Any large attack (like the Damocles Gulf Crusade) could wipe them out. They can't get strong enough fast enough to win. Plus, they are right in the path of the Nids.
Imperium: a toughie. However, they are surrounded by many foes. They just can't get enough forces to attack one opponent to win. Even if they el;iminate most races, the Orks and Nids (who will keep many of their troops busy) will suddenly only have one enemy: the orks will unite, and then only orks, Tyranids and Eldar are left. (Eldar live because they hide on craftworlds).
Orks: Although Orks are really powerful, the Eldar can beat them. Orks do not have sufficient twechnology to find Eldar craftworlds, and without anyone attacking them, the Eldar can make more. Plus, If eldar technology and Tau technology combine, one eldar could easily stop dozens of orks. Through stealth, the Eldar will distract and eventyually be strong enough to destroy the orks.

However, from a real-world standpoint, NO ONE can win. The thing is, if ANY race starts winning in official Warhammer 40k literature, then EVERY other race is pissed off, like i said above about the C'tan. So no one will even start to win, not ever. The galaxy is at equilibrium.

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I have to say that the Nids might do it simply because

no other race in Warhammer except necrons does as thourogh a job at killing everything on a planet as these guys do. No other race invades like these tyranids do but

I have to hand the final victory over to the Imperium. Billions of Imperial Guard, numbers equal or slightly less than orks but they are organised, SM, and the Imperium can say fuck it, if they're going to take this planet we may as nuke every square inch of it. Humans have an indomitable will to survive more so than any other race and that is why I think they will be the victors eventually

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Well games-workshop did say its possible for the Emperor to come back, he cannot actually die, when he does he just comes back even stronger it stats that the Thousand sons fear his death for he shall destory chaos when he becomes the star child he also during the great crusade was using his throne to destory chaos within he could mess up chaos itself and even destory the gods. But who knows maybe if they died (if its possible) then even more powerful gods will come.

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hmmmmm I have to say that Purple Drink has a VERY, VERY, VERY good point in that Chaos has the best chance of fully winning, but we are talking about the races so technically CSM would not win because they have the same problem that the SM have. loosing more chaos marines than they can replace and it is especially bad for CSM because all SM are decendants of the god emperor himself and since CSM hate the emperor they would never beable to nor take a chance to get a sample of his DNA to make more of their kind I have to go with Imperial Guard instead of Imperium and what I mean is that the Imperial guard would win it not SM, or inquisition, because SM have a limit to their numbers, there are an equal if not more amount of imperial guardsmen as there are orks and all the guard has to do is nuke planets that don't belong to them, find a planet with lots of orks nuke dead

Tau don't have the firepower nor will to kill entire planets and solar systems at a time and without the ethereals they are nothing, Tyranids are the next best choice, numbers, and they make sure to leave a planet completely obliterated of life