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lasgun Recoil can anyone tell me why a lasgun has recoil? cause as far as i can tell the onlything moving is light and light cant cause recoil |
Re: lasgun Recoil can you tell me y the librarians plasma pistol has no recoil at all? you upgrade him with plasma pistol, then when he runs you notice a bolter clip comming out of the plasma pistol, then when he shoots theres no recoil, shots r just comming out of the gun, glitch? or is it just that he has a mega strong grip and u cant tell that its got recoil? |
Re: lasgun Recoil Good question. mabey there are moving parts in the rifle that cause the recoil? About the plasma gun, Theres probably no recoil because there is nothing pysical moving down the barrel. Yes, I am fully aware these two points are conflicting, but its all i can come up with :rolleyes: |
Re: lasgun Recoil i have the same thing with my librian its a glitch |
Re: lasgun Recoil Well a lasgun is launching a concentrated beam of heat and light energy so maybe that fact it launches it so fast/hard? |
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Re: lasgun Recoil Because its an ommission on the animators part. Not a major one that will affect the way the game's played, so I think you should be able to live with it. |
Re: lasgun Recoil mabe there is cooling system with moving parts ?? :) or in wh40k light have weight :) |
Re: lasgun Recoil its not that its like major gayness or anything, its just that i was wonderin what was rong :D |
Re: lasgun Recoil it could be that the librian is using his phycic powers to keep his aim steady(i doubt it) as for the lasgun it could be the heat needed to produce such a fast beam of light i really dont know....but i am surprised that an imperial gaurdsmen cna use a bolter withou breaking his collar bone since it shoots a bullet the size of a small coke can |
Re: lasgun Recoil i dont think a cooling system has recoil but the imperial guard have HUGe recoil i dont see how they can shoot with it oh well |
Re: lasgun Recoil its probably the animators fault for the las gun recoil... but man imagine an imperial gaurdamen charging you with a bolter that would be hilarious!!! |
Re: lasgun Recoil Plasma Guns have recoil because they are launching a super-heated ball of liquid at the opponent. This liquid has mass and must therefore be propelled. For every action there is an equivelant opposite reaction, the plasma or heated liquid must be propelled at a high speed and velocity to get it moving correctly and more safely. This causes the recoil of any plasma weapon. Of course the more plasma it fires, the more it must propel and the larger the recoil. Lasguns recoil because they fire a concentrated beam of heat, light and sound energy. These energies however do not weigh anything and so do not need to be propelled with massive force that would cause recoil. In basic the Lasguns recoil because the Guardsman holding the weapon is simply weaker that your average human child that is 4 years old and expecting his Birthday tomorrow. |
Re: lasgun Recoil lol i wouldnt doubt it, guardsmen are weak (in a 1v1 comapred to everyone else, im tired of ppl saying ig suck or imperial guardsmen suck cause they dont) |
Re: lasgun Recoil The lasgun has recoil. Fact It fires a series of concentrated blasts. However i dont think they fire actual light. First of all, how would you get light into an ammo clip? I think its like heat or something, because if it was light, woudnt it just shine like a torch, or blind everyone in sight? |
Re: lasgun Recoil with that much light energy some of it is bound to convert to a different kind such as kinetic, just like when u have a light on the bulb also gets warm :D |
Re: lasgun Recoil I think i just explained it all but here we go: The Lasgun M41 design like all others has a specially modified magazine to store certain enegries. Lasguns can hold one of two types of magazine. The first being the standard pattern Las magazine, the second a plasma magazine although stronger, it is more unstable and not the preffered amongst the soldiers of the Imperial Guard. Las (being the beam fired out of the weapon) is a concentrated beam of heat energy. It is visable and means therefore it also contains light energy. Las can also be heard, although not as loud as the standard bolter or any other standard pattern weapon, this means it also has sound energy. The Tactica Imperium (also refered to in slang as: The Big Book of Tactics) states that in emergencies a Las magazine can be restored or refiled with enough heat to use again by throwing it in a fire for up to 10 minutes. This however makes the Las less stable as ammunition and also means that after the magazine has run out after being in the fire, must be thrown away unlike normal las magazine that havent been in a fire. I do agree with to_plus_to though. Everybody says Guardsmen are weak when in fact on the Table Top they are very flexable and adaptable to any situation with the amount of options. |
Re: lasgun Recoil light has no weight but i just energy, energy can create forces, as is seen both when the lasgun hits the enemy and when the gun recoils |
Re: lasgun Recoil True, this also means that to be propelled it uses kinetic energy which cause the recoil. We have already said that light, heat and sound dont weigh anything, so the kinetic energy is obviously the answer to all this. Problem solved |
Re: lasgun Recoil yes but light does not use kinetic energy to travel, it uses light energy and emits heat energy (A* physics GCSE 4me) |
Re: lasgun Recoil energy can create forces but not a lasgun,lasguns are little more than over heated flash lights, so i doubt it makes recoil |
Re: lasgun Recoil no sense there. as you can see from a lasguns damage it is powerful. and there s always the possibility the gun has a firing mechanism to give the light just a teensy bit more speed. and i know there shouldnt be a recoil really. if there wasnt however the guardsmen would look crap as they stood there static and firing. the eldar look bad enough with no recoil. but imagine 30+ gardsmen sanding perfectly still firing there lasguns |
Re: lasgun Recoil ok a Las weapon uses Laser Energy and to fire, it needs to charge the shot so the release of that energy will cause recoil. Same pirnciple as a Lascannon but smaller and not as powerful |
Re: lasgun Recoil yes but it releases light and light has no actual weight and cannot cause kinetic energy to effect he lasgun |
Re: lasgun Recoil I think I may have answer... The Lasgun fires a concentrated beam of light, and light carries energy. Two well known facts established in this dicussion. But Light energy transfers to heat when it comes in contact with ANY matter. Gas that is heated in any way expands (this includes air). The Air in the lasgun BEFORE it is fired is at atmospheric temperature, then the lasgun is fired rapidly heating the air suddenly causing a slight explosion in the barrel (the gun does not blow up coz it is built with this sort of thing in mind). This 'explosion' causes the recoil in the gun, because air has mass and can exert force on an object. The reason the force (recoil) goes directly backwards is that the air in the gun, when expanding has no where else to go but out the barrel, so the reactionary force simulates recoil. Hope that makes sense :D :D :D |
Re: lasgun Recoil Oh yeah.... and the plasma pistol with no recoil thing is a glitch, coz the librarian is the only hero that has no recoil with it Thats all from me :) |
Re: lasgun Recoil you say this but in that case why is there no recoil from laser pointers? |
Re: lasgun Recoil Thats coz a beam from laser pointer doesn't release enough energy to kill somebody, like a lasgun is supposed to! So it could not raise the temperature of air around it to a level noticable by a human holding it and therefore would not produce a significant degree of air expansion and recoil force. But if laser pointers could that would be cooooool lol :D |
Re: lasgun Recoil or maybe rlic just thought that a bunch of completely stationary guardsmen would look sucky. (heat would cause the gun to become hard to hold but a light could not create enough for the recoil you see in game) |
Re: lasgun Recoil Just thought i should say this now before i watch you all argue yourselves to death. These recoil glitches/lasgun are on DoW. DoW was made by Relic. I shouldnt have to say much more than Relic often mess up. Balance issues mainly but they mess up on a lot more things as well. Plasma weapons would have recoil in real life. A Lasgun wouldnt. A Lasgun just fires a heated beam of energy. Just imagine shining a heated torch in places. That wouldnt recoil. Also anybody notice that ingame the Lasgun recoils whereas the more powerful Hell Gun doesnt (Kasrkin weapon). |
Re: lasgun Recoil well thanks for clearing that up. Not that I am right or anything, was just offering a possible explaination :) |
Re: lasgun Recoil Yup, same here, i offered 2 and then decided it was just to funny to watch. If i had left you to fight over it a moment longer i would have killed myself laughing. But just think, its a super heated beam of visible infra red? Or so it is ingame... In the Fluff its different, but i wont go there. Lest the discussion continue |
Re: lasgun Recoil Hold on a tick... I thought Infra red was invisible? Coz our cellphones and other communication devices use them? or am I wrong yet again? |
Re: lasgun Recoil But how is it visible? If lasers are ordered into a straight line, no light comes off the side so the beam shouldn't be visible. The only way to see it is to be shot in the retina (which will be fried too much), shoot a las-proof camera or see the refleced light on imact. And you couldn't reflect a lasgun with a mirror, beause the heat wave in frot of th light would char the mirror, thus allowing the laser to hit and fry through. But that's different story... EDIT: Vengeance I didn't see your post before I posted this |
Re: lasgun Recoil I was using infra red as a basic term. It isnt infra red...ffs this thread is stupidly stupid... Right were do i start (again) It is not infra-red, we all know what infra-red does look like though. The Las simply looks like infra-red. Everything else is explained in my above post (the last one only the others were...shall we say not accurate/for ammusement?) If you post again asking questions that have been answered or are going to annoy you then i will eat your splean (spelling?) |
Re: lasgun Recoil Ok to be honest if the game obeyed science 100% it would be boring, i mean when my guardsmen fire their weapons at something I don't want to see science I want to see a beam of fiery red laser! Its just more fun! And the recoil although unlikely, just makes em look cool. So how about we leave it at that, eh fellas? PS its spelled spleen. lol |
Re: lasgun Recoil Ah splEEEEn, got it. Yeah, science sucks. Especially when it comes down to war... no you cant fire a giant laser battery at your enemies its against the laws of physics and all that crap! If science didnt exist i could fly!!! Yes...So....where were we? Right ok then. Dakka... |
Re: lasgun Recoil you may realise that the recoil is impossible in reality. but hw crap would they look without it. and if kassies recoiled. how dumb would they look. they would shake like a ragdoll |
Re: lasgun Recoil The plasma gun emits super heated fluid of protons, neutrons and delocalised electrons (plasma basically). All of these have a mass and therefore by conservation of momentum must cause some recoil. A laser (or light amplification by simulated emission of radiation) does exactly what it says on the tin so to speak. It is almost monochromatic light focused down a straight line. The light can be considered as packets of energy or "photons" and hence by special relativity, they have momentum. Et^2=(Mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2. The p is the momentum bit and since photons have 0 mass, p=Et/c. So now were talking about photons with not alot of energy multiplied so that those IG can do more than damage a few orky retinas. Big energy means big momentum, from above, so we need recoil by conservation of momentum. I'm not certain of the frequency of these laser photons but i assume they are somewhere in the red end of the visible spectrum. (a comment was made earlier regarding the fact we can actually see the laser beam even though we shouldn't, well thats true apart from when you fire a laser through say a smoke machine, then you can see the laser as it interacts with smoke particles. I guess that fog of war is pretty thick.) Hope that helps, maybe someone can play with the numbers if they're interested and see how much recoil we could get. I hope i got all the theories right too. |
Re: lasgun Recoil you did, but most people wont understand that. i keep trying to explain that the science doesnt matter as if the recil given off was as small as it was meant to be, and if there was no visible laser, how crap would the game look. imagine 30 guardsmen stationary firing nothing and killing their enemy |
Re: lasgun Recoil Dude above me (not google, guy above him) we have been throught this ffs. I explained it all before but in a more simplified version. Can we stop this now? My brains starting to hurt and its the end of the holidays |
Re: lasgun Recoil Well ok, I just thought i'd try and explain it fully, for those who were interested. Didn't mean to over complicate it so appologies for that. Those Relic guys probably just put it in for the looks rather than the realism. |
Re: lasgun Recoil Yep, they did. Umm.. you were trying to explain it fully... you explained it and i couldnt understand it... whats all the p=z(56*g)^9H+Et!"£$%^&*(?????? Well...i think ill learn eventually...scientist man |
Re: lasgun Recoil Yes, I don't know how to do super script and sub script on here so i used the symbols which are commonly used in mathematical software (like matlab.) The ^ means to the power of. Clearly when Einstein wrote these equations he didn't consider people trying to argue fictional weaponry on a computer game forum. Again appologies for over complication. |
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Re: lasgun Recoil I cheated, I changed the size of the t to size 1 instead of 2.....:) |
Re: lasgun Recoil ok, maybe guardsmen are just so weak, light can make them take a shock, or maybe its just what you've been saying, it would look silly if someone took recoil from something that is meant to be invisible |
Re: lasgun Recoil yes, thank you. the science isirrelevant as the guardsmen would just look bad if they didnt recoil or fire visible shots |
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