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reddragon200023 September 12th, 2007 10:58 AM

Mira's father (spoliers)
 
i don't know if any one has posted this before if they have sorry about a double post.

after you defet Kreia on Malacor V. she says:
Mira was not ment to be a hunter despite her true father.
so who is he?

anyone know

DarthRevan2007 September 12th, 2007 02:14 PM

it could be the exile is mira's old man

Darth Kadin September 12th, 2007 02:37 PM

...

I've never heard that part.

Darkblade89 September 12th, 2007 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthRevan2007 (Post 3920849)
it could be the exile is mira's old man

Well, considering the Exile is female, that'd be a bit difficult.


Wasn't she brought up by Mandalorians? I'm currently about a 1/4 done with Nar Shadaa in my current game, once I get Mira I'll be sure to pay more attention to what she has to say about her history.

reddragon200023 September 13th, 2007 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkblade89 (Post 3921106)
Well, considering the Exile is female, that'd be a bit difficult.


Wasn't she brought up by Mandalorians? I'm currently about a 1/4 done with Nar Shadaa in my current game, once I get Mira I'll be sure to pay more attention to what she has to say about her history.

from what i can remember she was a Mandalorian slave captured during the Mandalorian Wars, she can't remember her home world.

EpicLoad September 16th, 2007 01:04 PM

Mira was of Mandalorian birth, and she lost her family at Malachor, so I'm going with either Canderous, if she doesn't know or Mandalore during the Wars.

Fyurii September 18th, 2007 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by EpicLoad (Post 3928094)
Mira was of Mandalorian birth, and she lost her family at Malachor, so I'm going with either Canderous, if she doesn't know or Mandalore during the Wars.

Reddragon and Darkblade are right.

Mira was a slave captured during the war, and raised in the Mandalorian ways.
Her "family" that died at Malachor V were the family that she'd been raised by. The Mandalorians.

EpicLoad September 18th, 2007 04:19 PM

Yeah, finally found it while searching through the dialog files. Forgot that one, my bad.

Lordjedi November 16th, 2007 10:48 PM

SO her father must of been a Jedi or Republic Solider

reddragon200023 November 17th, 2007 09:00 AM

this might be completely wrong, but I don't think that Mira's father was a Jedi or a republic solider I think it was Calo Nord because Kreia says that “Mira was not meant to be a hunter despite her true father” and the only person we know to be a great hunter in the game is Calo Nord. I know it seems a bit farfetched, but I think this was something that was intended to be put in the missing content, but never did. I really wised that they had finished the game before releasing it then we wouldn't have all of these holes in the story line it sucks big time.

Lordjedi November 17th, 2007 09:53 AM

well he could have been a fallen republic solider

The Crusader November 17th, 2007 11:44 PM

She said she was a Mandalorian child. I think it'd be really cool if maybe Canderous was her father. Lucas Arts would have to find a way to fit all that in, but what the hell? You never know.
OR
Since she's force sensitive, she could be the daughter of Mandalore the Ultimate himself!

Lordjedi November 18th, 2007 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Revan91 (Post 4040538)
She said she was a Mandalorian child. I think it'd be really cool if maybe Canderous was her father. Lucas Arts would have to find a way to fit all that in, but what the hell? You never know.
OR
Since she's force sensitive, she could be the daughter of Mandalore the Ultimate himself!

But she was a Mandalorian Slave and they taught her to be a hunter but she was born on Malachor IV .Also Kreia did not say hunter she said Predator!

Razgriz1928 November 18th, 2007 12:38 PM

I thought it would always be cool that if in Kotor 3, Canderous passes away and Mira becomes the new Mandalore

Master of the Saber November 18th, 2007 01:05 PM

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As Mandalorians raided worlds on the Outer Rim during the Mandalorian Wars, Mira was taken in as a slave when her home was sacked. Mira was raised by the Mandalorians from a young age but they later accepted her into a Mandalorian squad, and she was taught how to fight, hunt, and survive like a Mandalorian, and was treated as a part of the unit. However, at the age of fourteen, the Battle of Malachor V erupted. Mira lost her adopted family when the Mass Shadow Generator activated.
There this supposed to explain everything. It is from Wookiepedia.

The Crusader November 19th, 2007 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lordjedi25 (Post 4041014)
But she was a Mandalorian Slave and they taught her to be a hunter but she was born on Malachor IV .Also Kreia did not say hunter she said Predator!

They never mentioned a Malachor 4 that I heard of. LOL.
But she was a slave, so that would prove my point wrong.

Fyurii November 19th, 2007 02:49 PM

I'm pretty sure the Mandalorians didn't like Malachor V as a place.
Something to do with the Sith Academy on the planet, but I can't remember fully....

Lordjedi November 19th, 2007 04:41 PM

whatever IV V who cares

JustPlainLucas November 19th, 2007 04:45 PM

Why do the spoilers work like that?

NCC1017spock November 27th, 2007 03:30 AM

sounds like a good idea, but good luck geting it in there.

attons_exile November 27th, 2007 06:22 PM

I got it!
 
I got it!:D Hanharr is her father!!!!! He is a predator, and they have been acquainted! Mira's part Wookiee! (You do know I'm joking... right? Not that its not an interesting idea....):lookaround:
But, there is no way the exile is her father, even if they're male. They're about the same age, maybe 10 years difference.... And she's like in love with him... but that would fit in with the Star Wars legacy. (Hey, Luke and Leia were brother and sister.)
I think her father is Canderous/Mandolore. To me, it makes the most sense. Anyway, just thought I'd add some humor with the Hanharr thing... :lol:

The Crusader November 28th, 2007 11:58 AM

What if Carth had a daughter he doesn't even know about? you know, before he met his wife, he sort of went out with someone else and it happened, they broke up, met his wife and had Dustil, you know the story from there. That would definitely be interesting.

attons_exile November 28th, 2007 12:47 PM

Yeah, that would be interesting, but I don't think it's very logical. If Dustil is probably 25+, and Carth is at least 40, Carth would've been 20 years old at the most.

The Crusader November 28th, 2007 01:36 PM

Teenage pregnancy?

attons_exile November 28th, 2007 02:22 PM

Hey, it happens.

Jedijax November 29th, 2007 03:07 PM

Ok, there seem to be some facts going missing in several of the entries. First, if Mira becomes a trained Force-user, it is highly probable at least one of her parents was Force-sensitive. Now, Kreia states her father was "a predator" not a hunter, and this places the figure in a whole different level. If Darth Traya knew her father, the most logic explanation would be He was Force-sensitive, and He was a Predator in such sense. Many possible outcomes regarding these simple facts, yet, we can narrow them down using common sense. It could not be Carth because he fails to adapt to the previous criteria, he's neither a predator, nor a Force-user. It cannot be Mandalore/Canderous because he is not Force-sensitive and he is a mandalorian, a member of the very same race who enslaved Mira.

My candidates are three who would certainly bring serious discussion from knowledgeable posters: Scion, Revan and Nihilous. The only Force-users Kreia would have known and stuck to the criteria of predator and Force-sensitive would be her apprentices, warriors of the Mandalorian Wars, and old enough to spawn a child her age. As the KOTOR Comics are very much dealing on Zayne Carrick becoming Nihilous, or so say some fans, and if he, indeed becomes such character, I wouldn't think Revan is an out-of-the-blue possibility, seeing as he was known to be quite the ladies man in time of the Mandalorian Wars.

It could also be, granted, Mira's father is an obscure guy no one ever heard of, in which case this would have been for naught!! :lol:

JCarter426 November 29th, 2007 04:16 PM

Revan couldn't have been her father. First, he doesn't seem old enough (though that's just speculation). Second, Mira was 23 in K2, meaning she was born before Revan and Malak joined the fight (which was sometime after 3,974 BBY).

And though it wasn't Carth either, he very well could be, regarding Force Sensitivity, since his only son became a Dark Jedi. (A side note: In K2 it is said that Telos was settled by Jedi rejects, who were strong, but not strong enough, in the Force--so Carth probably had more sensitivity than the average guy.)

Who was Mira's daddy? I'd bet on some obscure guy.

(By the way, KOTOR comics better not make Zayne Nihilus, or else.)

Jedijax November 29th, 2007 05:56 PM

True, true, Mira is 23 and couldn'tbe the ilegitimate daughter of General Revan and any of his hot Jedi subordinates, but who ever said she was conceived in times of the Mandalorian Wars? Revan could have nailed mama Jedi before the conflict, hell, if we support the adolescent pregnancy issue suggested before, Revan may even had been a very naughty padawan!!:rofl:

But seriously, I still think, though highly improbable due to character development, fact-wise, Revan is a prime candidate to be Mira's daddy.

And as for Zayne... well... who knows what may happen... =p I don't think he would make a believable Nihilous, but I also didn't think Asharad Hett would ever be anything more than a second league character, and look how far he's come in the Legacy comics!! :Puzzled:

Master of the Saber November 30th, 2007 12:19 AM

Did you read my post. A quote from wookiepedia? Huh? ANYONE?:mad:

Inyri Forge November 30th, 2007 12:29 AM

You mean the quote where you bolded the part about how the Mandalorians got killed by the MSG... something that's basically common knowledge? I'm not sure that really has any relevance to this thread, which, if I recall correctly, is asking about her real parents.

The Crusader November 30th, 2007 11:46 AM

Okay, so what have we got?

We've got Carth who could be her father with teenage pregnancy.

We've got Revan who could be her father with teenage pregnancy.

We've got HK-47 who coul, nah just kidding.

I think that the idea suggested before is good. Sion might be him. I don't think it's Nihilus though. One thing that may help us find out who the father is is to find out who the mother is.

Inyri Forge November 30th, 2007 11:57 AM

How about Hanharr, while we're at it? =p

attons_exile November 30th, 2007 12:53 PM

Yeah, don't forget my Hanharr idea!:)

Jedijax November 30th, 2007 04:08 PM

:Puzzled: now, that would certainly be a hairy subject...

The Crusader November 30th, 2007 05:46 PM

:naughty:Vogga the Hutt!:eek:

thejadefalcon December 3rd, 2007 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkblade89 (Post 3921106)
Well, considering the Exile is female, that'd be a bit difficult.

I know Revan's been established as a man but is the Exile female in Canon? I tend to play as female because Atton's hilarious when he's trying to hit on you, but I thought that Canon on the Exile had never been established.

Inyri Forge December 3rd, 2007 10:16 AM

Yes, the Exile is female in canon. Exile does not canonically have an alignment, however (although most people believe it to be dark side).

JCarter426 December 3rd, 2007 09:21 PM

Most people believe the Exile is dark side? I thought NEGD described her as a "heroine", thus making her canonically light side.

Inyri Forge December 3rd, 2007 09:58 PM

She doesn't canonically have an alignment, as I said.

Check Wookieepedia for a nice direct quote discussing Exile canon.

JCarter426 December 3rd, 2007 10:10 PM

Interesting...though, still, LS is presumed. And I don't buy Mr Chee's comment about "editorial necessity"--if they wanted to leave alignment ambiguous, they would have replaced "heroine" with "woman".

Fyurii December 3rd, 2007 10:13 PM

Given the propensity for most Jedi based main characters in a SW game to be a "good guy", when the canon alignment of the Exile is decided, she'll be Lightside.

As with Kyle Katarn in Jedi Knight, Revan in KOTOR, the DS endings are only alternatives to the official endings.

Let's face it, the higher percantage of main characters in a SW story are (or will) end up fighting for the good guys.

Inyri Forge December 3rd, 2007 10:22 PM

I'll give you the "wow, they ALL do such and such" argument. But... play the game. That game shouldn't have a happy feel-good ending. That's why most people don't believe Exile is LS -- it doesn't fit very well with the feel of the game.

JCarter426 December 3rd, 2007 10:45 PM

While I'd love for a PC to be canonically DS (*cough*Jaden Korr*cough), I don't think it should be the Exile. Mainly because the endings to K2 are so similar that it wouldn't be a good example of a DS ending. And also, I like to see the Exile as a "good guy" mainly because she, unlike everyone else, returned to the Council to face judgement after the Mandalorian Wars. And the game really is dark enough so that even a LS ending isn't too happy happy.

But this is all way off topic...

Fyurii December 4th, 2007 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Inyri Forge (Post 4069344)
I'll give you the "wow, they ALL do such and such" argument. But... play the game. That game shouldn't have a happy feel-good ending. That's why most people don't believe Exile is LS -- it doesn't fit very well with the feel of the game.

Honestly, I don't see the Exile as evil, nor does the game feel that it warrants it.

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Originally Posted by JCarter426 (Post 4069362)
And also, I like to see the Exile as a "good guy" mainly because she, unlike everyone else, returned to the Council to face judgement after the Mandalorian Wars. And the game really is dark enough so that even a LS ending isn't too happy happy.

But this is all way off topic...

I have to agree with this. It's a dark game (well, supposedly anyway) that has a main character that has to contend with being hunted by the greatest powers of the Galaxy, and living with the burden of the things she witnessed and did during the Mandalorian war.
The Republic itself verging on collapse, she has few friends or allies and is learning to feel the Force again.

Her past itself is the biggest reasoning to why she wouldn't stray toward the DS for a second time.

And yes, it really has gotten off topic.

thejadefalcon December 4th, 2007 09:12 AM

I still feel that she'd be light, but it's all opinion until Canon specifically states it. In my KotOR 2 fic, she's a Jedi.

Quote:

And yes, it really has gotten off topic.
Sorry, all my fault. On topic now.

The Crusader December 4th, 2007 04:47 PM

Okay. So the most realistic solution to the question would be that Mira's father is either a Jedi, or a force sensitive Republic soldier. Who could it be. Maybe her mother is Admiral Forn Dodanna. Is she force sensitive? As for her father...shit...still thinking...thinking...too...hard.:confused::confus ed::confused::confused::confused::confused:
Maybe her father doesn't have to be a Republic soldier or Jedi. Maybe with the mother being force sensitive is enough. I think we can rule out Revan though because I think he and Bastila had something going on even before he became the Dark Lord. They were just afraid to admit it. (That's my theory) Since they were both really close before Revan left to fight the Mandalorians, it would explain why Bastila's confrontation with him is...painful.

Lordjedi December 4th, 2007 08:06 PM

Maybe her father is .......I KNOW!!! Darth Nihilus!!!!!! He is a hunter he is probaly a human you can see by the way he looks and it says in the wookiepedia he was a Mandalorian slave!!! He could of been a Padawan who was weak so he was caputered!!!!! and the mother was probaly a jedi too makes sense right??? :lookaround:

Fyurii December 4th, 2007 09:14 PM

It doesn't say he was a Mandalorian slave.

And he's far too consumed by the Dark Side to be human anymore.
But that doesn't necessarily rule him out as Mira's father.

Heck, her parents could just be average people whose offspring was born sufficiently sensitive to the Force to have been trained as a Jedi.
But then that's not nearly as interesting, now is it?

(Rhetorical question, no answer required.)

JCarter426 December 5th, 2007 02:29 PM

Couldn't have been Nihilus, as the developers planned for him to have been "born" during the battle of Malachor V. Mira would have been 14 by then.

The Crusader December 5th, 2007 04:03 PM

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