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Actually, no; Mr Chee has confirmed that Revan is male and the Exile female.

But everything else is correct. Revan certainly can't be Mira's mother. And he can't be the father either, for more than one reason. Same with the Exile, only the other way around.

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hmm
fine, but like I said I think that the dad is some random canabol!
So You don't listen either!
This is the third time I said it!

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Let me throw in another possibility, Mira's father could have been Exar Kun, or someone from then. But revan could have also been the father, as well.

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Hey, I agree with you. I think that there is a great chance that Mira's father was a rather reckless being. Just know that Revan is male and Exile is female. And rule them out because they are not possibilities. Unless this is desperate house wives like Fyurii suggested.

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Certain sections of my brain, in regards to sanity and rational thought have just imploded at the mere thought of Star Wars becoming Desperate Housewives...... damn you for bringing it back up!

As for her father being a cannibal..... that would mean her mother would most likely have been like certain species of spider (and some insects too) and killed the father post coitus.
Either that, or fed him someone else so he didn't try and eat her.

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For the last time, Revan was too young! :p

And Exar Kun was too old. By old, I mean long dead. Well, physically, anyway. And he was the only big Sith Lord of that time, other than Ulic Qel-Droma (who was redeemed, so he's not really a "predator").

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Exar Kun was dead before Mira was even conceived.

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Exar Kun's body had died approximately forty years before KoTOR (the game, and all subsequent game related media i.e. the comic series about events immediately leading up to it) is set.

At least I believe it's been about forty years by the time of KoTOR....

Not to mention that Ulic Qel Droma wasn't just redeemed, but died a little over a decade after Exar Kun.
Gunned down by Hoggon the spacer on Rhen Var.

So, that's another theory we've "blown out of the water".

Off Topic:
I'm a little disappointed not to have seen more of JediJax in this thread lately.
Another refreshing point of view is needed.

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Yup, it was forty years.

I'd forgotten when exactly Ulic died--ten years later, which makes him about seven years shy of being eligible (but he wasn't really, anyway).

Heh...me too, me too.

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God, I can't believe there hasn't been a post in KOTOR forums all night. :lol:
Anywho: We know that Mira's father was some sort of predator, perhaps a hunter or an assassin. Maybe not cannibal,:rofl:but someone like that. Someone really violent. Ahlan Mattale seems like the sort, wouldn't you say?:lol:

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I can't believe I just thought of this after all this time...

When Kreia says "She was not born to be a predator, despite her true father and the life she led within the shadow of Nar Shaddaa", couldn't she simply be referring to Mira's adopted father, the Mandalorian?

I doubt Mira would consider her biological father--whom she never knew--to be her "true" father. And she survived on Nar Shaddaa by using the skills she had learned under the Mandalorians.

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I have a few questions. First, how long did the Great Sith War take? Second, how long did the Mandalorian War take? Third, how much time between Mandalorian War and KOTOR? Fourth, how much time between KOTOR and TSL? Knowing this information will provide me with some basis for the happenings in both KOTOR and TSL.

There is one thing that sticks in my mind, about Mira, though. Playing the female Exile, in a conversation with Mira, she says that you are old enough to be her mother. I think, playing a male Exile, she says that you are old enough to be her father, but I don't remember. Anyway, I will be back when I have played enough to put that to rest. As well as having some answers to the questions I posed at the beginning of this post.

One thing before I go, and that is this. No matter who the parents of Mira are, one of them was still a Force user, for her to become a Jedi at a late period of her life.

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I think the Great Sith War took place over a span of five years. The Mandalorian Wars were about 4. The Jedi Civil War 3, and 5 years between KOTOR and TSL. Mandalorian Wars ended 2 years before KOTOR. Or was it 4?...

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Great Sith War (Exar Kun + Ulic Qel Droma)= 40 years before KoTOR.
The Great Sith War lasted for 4 years.

Mandalorian Wars= 20 years before KoTOR (However, Revan and the Republic weren't involved until the final eight years of the wars.
The Senate refused to intervene against the Mandalorian's aggressions in the outer rim territories until they invaded Republic Space.)

Jedi Civil War (KoTOR) = the events of KoTOR take place 5 years before TSL.

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20 years, are you serious?

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This is precisely why I've typed up a timeline. :p

4,000 BBY: Great Sith War begins.
3,996 BBY: Exar Kun imprisoned on Yavin IV.
3,986 BBY: Ulic Qel-Droma killed on Rhen Var.
3,976 BBY: Mandalore the Ultimate begins his campaign along the Outer Rim.
3,965 BBY: First skirmishes between Mandalorians and Republic begin.
3,963 BBY: Padawan Massacre of Taris. Mandalorians invade Republic proper.
3,960 BBY: Battle of Malachor V; Revan and Malak begin invasion of the Republic.
3,957 BBY: Capture of Revan.
3,956 BBY: Battle of Rakata Prime (KOTOR 1)
3,955 BBY: Revan disappears into unknown; Sith Civil War.
3,954 BBY: Sith Triumvirate formed.
3,952 BBY: Devastation of Katarr; Kreia exiled.
3,951 BBY: Battle of Telos (KOTOR 2)

(some of this is guesswork on my part)

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Ok, according to the time lines here, I have something to bring up. Revan was born sometime during the Great Sith War, as was Malak, the Exile, and Bastilia. Mira's father was also born about this time. Mira, though, wasn't born until about the first skirmishes between Mandalorians and Republic. I believe that Revan, and the Exile, could have known her parent, that gave her the ability to use the Force, eventually. Notice I did not say that they were her parents. Just that is was someone they knew. Someone either they were padawans with, or even a little older, than they were. However, I will say this, one of Mira's parents was still a force user. Possibly someone who fought the Mandalorians. Not sure if it could have been Revan or the Exile. But still a Force user.

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Uh, no. The Great Sith War ended forty years before KOTOR 1. Bastila was only in her twenties, and Revan, Malak, and the Exile were around 30 by my estimate.

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Sorry for going slightly off-topic, but I've only got back online after a month and Inyri's last post confused me.

Is Inyri saying that Anakin was or was not concieved by the force, because those statements seem contradictory.

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I think the point Inyri was trying to make was that Shmi never said that Anakin was conceived by the Force. ;)

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[quote=SirTwist;Let me throw in another possibility, Mira's father could have been Exar Kun, or someone from then. But revan could have also been the father, as well.[/quote]
no,Mira is not old enough to be kunn's daughter, cuz the exar kunn wars were 30 or 20, sumthin like that, before the mandolorian wars which would make mira in her 30s during the mandolorian wars.
Oh, and, srry i was gone for so long.

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If Kun was her father, she'd probably by entering her 50's.

And thanks, JCarter, I get it now. Partly. I know Shmi never says it, because she'd have no clue. Qui-Gon, however, does say it. So either I'm confused or Inryi's confused (she said Shmi had been raped or something). Having watched Episode I last night, I'll say it's her for now.

"Devastation of Katarr"

Is that Visa's planet? The name rings a bell, but I can't remember.

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Exar Kun wasn't her father, just someone who followed him, and possibly taught Revan, as well.

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If it were someone that taught both Revan and Exar Kun, Mira would be older than Kreia.

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yea, Exar kun didnt teach revan cuz the Kun wars went on before Revan was 10 yrs old, let alone follow him cuz Kun ws killed in the Kun wars

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Actually, the Great Sith War around ten years before Revan was born. Not to mention that Kun himself was just a student, and that we already know who three of Revan's teachers were (and none of them were Kun, and that we would have heard about).

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yea, but it was still before Revan was 10

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To clarify a few things, here. First of all, Exar Kun wasn't Mira's father. One of Kun's friends, who lived, could be Mira's father. Well, at least his dark side friends. And it could have been a female that was the Jedi, not the male. However, it was the father that was the hunter that Kreia mentions, and it could be any near-human that was the father.

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*sigh* We've already said this, haven't we?

If you hadn't said that, I would've. :lol:

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Yes, of course it was before he was ten. And it was before he was five, three, two and a half--before he was, negative ten. Forgive me for being more accurate. :p

Oh, and for the record...

Kun didn't have any friends. He was a very lonely man. :p

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When I said friends, I meant followers, others who shared Exar Kun's vision. Of course, Mira's father could have been one of the Sith from KOTOR, one of the older ones.

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Are all people from Serroco Asian looking? If not, the maybe she was captured by the Mandalorians during the Serroco campaign.

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That was just part of K2's game mechanics, in my opinion. In any case, Serroco was but one planet raided by the Mandalorians, so her family could hae been from any of a hundred different Outer Rim worlds, or, less likely, they could have been part of the Republic military, or, even less likely, some of the Jedi crusaders.

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Unless they were an extremely isolationist culture, I doubt it.

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[quote=thejadefalcon



If you hadn't said that, I would've. :lol:[/quote]

Well at least there's someone here who agrees with me:thumbsup: and srry i've been gone so long!
I had to go to a funeral:bawl:, my great grandma was an interesting person.

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Yea, like when you kill an old officer of anything it turns out to be Mira's dad(Ya know, this might actualy be right), and then you go up to Mira and say "Sorry Mira, I killed your father"

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Kun's generation would still be too old. Most of them were killed in the Great Sith war, which ended decades before Mira was born.

And I still say that her "true father" was probably her adopted Mandalorian father.

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I think so too. But why would a Mandalorian tell his daughter that she's adopted??

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Eh? She probably knew that she was. We don't know how old she was when she lost her biological family, other than that she was young enough to remember them, but old enough to remember having one.

So her adopted father probably wouldn't have to tell her.

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I just had a thought, what if her parents were Mandalorians, of one clan, then another clan came along, killed her parents, and took her as a slave? And her father was a bounty hunter, as well, sort of like the Fetts were?

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Mira seems to think that her biological parents weren't Mandalorians, but I suppose it's possible.

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Nah, I doubt it. The Mandalorians weren't like that back then. During the Mandalore Wars, they were united under one banner, not individual clans.

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Ok, let me see if I have this straight in my head, here. Mira's father was a hunter of sorts. They die when the Mandalorians invade the world that they are on, during the Mandalorian war. She becomes a slave to the Mandalorians, still as a child, and grows up to become a bounty hunter, and then, later, a Jedi. One of her parents was a Force user. This is a wicked what if here, but what if her father was a Sith, of some sort? It would give him both the hunter attitude that Kreia brings out in the conversations, and also, it would account for her ability to become a Jedi, later. It makes sense to me, anyone else?

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There weren't any Sith left around the time that she was born, though. I really think Kreia wasn't referring to her biological father. Kreia simply says:" She was not born to be a predator, despite her true father and the life she led within the shadow of Nar Shaddaa." That tells me that Mira's biological father was not the predator; she was not born to be one, but was taught to be one by her "true father", the Mandalorians.

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JCarter, you're right, it doesn't have to be her biological father that was the predator. It could have been her adoptive father that was. And it could have been her biological father was a Jedi, as well. Nothing is truly known about Mira. But I think there is something there that is not readily known.

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May I bring up what I think again,for the fifth time(i think),that Mira's dad is a canibol/murderer that is strong in the force, but not a jedi.the mom was some random partner in crime

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and sorry i was gone, my internet was fried:mad:

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We don't know that he was Force sensitive, or that he wasn't a Jedi, and we don't know anything about the mother.

The only thing we know about her "true father" is that he was a "predator", and this may not even be her biological father.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Assume that her parents were random nobodies. That way, you won't get annoyed if they are and you'll be pleasantly surprised if they turn out to be Zeus and Hera themselves. :lol: If you assume that the parents are Greek gods (or something) and they turn out to be some random peasant, you'll be disappointed and probably angry. Therefore, far better to be pessimistic (this is my motto in life).

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Wow, sucks to be you. :p You do have a point, but I think that may have been one of the reasons KOTOR 3 isn't out yet. Lucas Arts wanted to give us time to think up stuff. :lol: Nah, I'm still in the boat that her dad was a soldier of some faction when she was captured. It doesn't really make sense for her parents to be of mandalorian descent if she was captured by them.