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Congrats on proving my theory that kids your age have an attention span the size of a peanut. Go back to me post and see which part I bolded.

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All of the sources I've seen said that Plagueis created Anakin. Not through sexual intercourse, but by some other technique. How else would Anakin be so powerful. Eventually when Sidious learned of this, he murdered Plagueis and eventually took Anakin as his own apprentice.

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What sources state it as a fact?

As far as I'm aware, it hasn't been canonised as anything more than a story told to Anakin by Sidious to further his manipulation and control over Anakin.

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Not necessarily fact, but theory. If we get too serious, I guess we could write to Lucas and see what he says. :lol:

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Originally Posted by JCarter426 http://forums.filefront.com/gamingfo...s/viewpost.gif
Well, Kreia is 50 at the time of K2. Check her DOB and DOD Kreia - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki. Yeah, I know...go figure...

Anyway, it's almost certain that Obsidian planned for her to be Kae. The main evidence is that Arren Kae was Revan's first and last teacher, and so was Kreia, and also Mr Avellone's comment "Sorry, can't comment--but good catch."

But back on the topic of Mira...once again, we'll probably never know.
Kreia's age being 50 is not confirmed.
Chris Avellone said she might be around 50, but it's not known for sure.
It was just something to further the mystique surrounding her life.

As for the main "evidence" of Kreia being Arren Kae......
The game has alot of conflicting things throughout the dialog that weren't sorted.
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THANK YOU FOR THAT. KREIA IS NOT 50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What if Mira's father was actually Admiral Saul Karath?

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Him or General Darren. That would be a good idea!
Carter, Kreia told us that she was Revan's first and last teacher, yes. But where does Kae factor in? There was no mention of Kae ever training Revan. The only thing that was said about her at all besides being Brianna's mother is that she was a beautiful and skilled warrior under Revan's command.

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How'd we get back on Kae? :confused:

Anyway...

And I invite anyone interested to read my extensive overview on the topic: Knights of the Old Republic - The Movie Trilogy -> Kreia and Arren Kae .


Now, back to Mira...

Wouldn't she know if her fahter was General Darren or Admiral Karath? And I got the feeling that her parents were killed by Mandalorians, or enslaved like her but sent elsewhere.

And even if he joined the Sith, I wouldn't call Karath a "predator". Sure, he slaughtered millions, but he was doing that under orders from Revan and Malak, and even their reasons weren't really "predatory" either.

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Bah. Mical the Disciple. Do you know what I hear whenever he opens his mouth? "Bullsh*t Bullsh*t Bullsh*t Bullsh*t Bullsh*t." But I guess that's better than not being able to get anything out of someone except "Yes General?" Mical's probably the #1 reason I hesitate to play KOTOR 2 as a female. Maybe I was mistaken. But Kreia is as probable to be Revan's first master out of any other. Dorak, Zhar, Kae ... (... meaning SO ON.) If that's the case, Kreia could be anybody.
But let's just agree to disagree, and wait for KOTOR 3. Maybe Mical did say something useful.

I sort of have the impression that Mira didn't know her parents at all, (or barely knew them) But maybe a Sith officer isn't subtle enough to be her father. That would make sense.

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Well, he wasn't stating any particular order, mind you. Zhar tought Revan last, actually (in K1). And he says that Kae tought Revan as a padawan during another conversation. But enough of that...

Yes, Mira probably didn't know her parents, but that's probably because they weren't really notable. If her father was Karath, on the other hand...

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He did.
He was the one party member other than Kreia and HK-47 who tells the Exile about the strange pattern of tactics Revan employed during his campaign against the Republic.

-Leaving industrial and military targets largely intact and operational.
-Obliterating other planets and areas to create similar wounds in the Force such as what was present at Malachor V.
-That his creating more wounds in the Force would have made converting Jedi that much easier.

He also tells the Exile that she was meant to have been the Jedi who was to train him as a Padawan, which was put on hold indefinitely after she left to go fight in the Mandalorian Wars.
Which pretty much goes against her being only a Padawan whose Knighthood was not by the Council but by Revan during the conflict.

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Good Point, Fyurri. Damn Good Point.

The Council would have had to grant her Knighthood in order for her to teach at an Enclave and to take on a Padawan. So the Exile was alrady a Knight when she went to join Revan.

And perhaps the Exile was the only Jedi left with the ability to make wounds in the Force after the destruction at Malachor V. Maybe the Mass Shadow Generator augmented her natural ability to create Force Bonds and she shut herself off due to the horror she wrought there.

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Don't forget Nihilus--unless you buy into the theory that they're one and the same. ;)

Well, it didn't have anything to do witht he MSG (all that did was wreak havoc with Malachor's gravity well). It's explained towards the end of K2 that being bonded to so many Jedi that died so quickly forced the Exile to cut herself off from the Force, as you said.

But how did we get on this topic? :confused:

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Actually, I think that Mira's father could be either Revan or Malak, depending on if Revan was a male or female. And Kreia could easily have been one of Revan's teacher, both on Dantoonie, and after he, or she, fell to the dark side. I also think that Kreia is much older than she appears. I am not sure about Darth Nihilus, myself, quite yet. I think that Nihilus is the embodiment of the negative aspect of the Exile, after Malachor V. Or even someone we haven't seen, yet. I don't know, I don't have a feel for Nihilus, yet.

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Well, Revan is a guy and the Exile is girl, so base you future assumptions upon those outlines.

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Revan couldn't have been either one of Mira's parents, simply because if that were the case, Mira's genes would be severely screwed up. :p

She was...Kreia was Revan's first and last master.

She's actually much younger than she appears. :p

Darth Nihilus didn't exist until after Malachor, at which point Mira would have been a teenager. Whoever Nihilus was before Malachor might have been Mira's father, though, but I highly doubt it, since they're generally considered two different individuals (as noted in the game, that Nihilus "died and was reborn" at Malachor).

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She is?
Has her age finally been "set in stone" rather than an approximation based on one person's etimation?

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No. But he was head of development... :p

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But what he says is not fact, only what he intended.
Aside from which, he also implied that she mightn't be around that age but could be older or younger.

At the end of the day, it falls to Leland Chee and his people at the Holocron to decide her actual age.
Since they haven't "gotten their finger out" and done something about it, we are just left with an ambiguous statement that is so often half qouted by many to suit there own view on the matter.

Ultimately, LA dropped the ball on that one as well...... F***IN' BA*****S!

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Yeah, I know. But still, there isn't any reason to think Kreia is older than she appears, especially since (at least) one of the developers thought of her has much younger. But enough of that...

As I hinted at earlier, Revan couldn't be Mira's mother or father. Why not? Well, for one thing Revan would have been around ten at the time of her birth. :naughty: And Revan could be either male or female in K2. Just think about that for a few minutes. ;)

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Please tell me you're hinting at the gender errors in dialogue despite choosing one gender over the other at the beginning.......

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Unfortunately, no, I'm not. :p

Just think about it, if Revan is the father, who's the mother? Wait...Revan could be female. So if Revan is the mother, who's the father? :naughty:

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Oooookaaaay...... All this time I've been under the impression that Revan's gender had been canonically set as male, along with the Lightside ending.
(Unlike poor Exile who hasn't officially been given a canon alignment ending, despite the canon outcomes of events and party members being Lightside.:confused:)

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If Revan was female, Carth could be the father. But he wasn't a female, he was male. Therefore, Bastila would be a better choice. BUT, I wouldn't go down that path. I don't think Revan is the father at all. Why did the developers have to leave so many things in mystery:rolleyes:

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Because Lucas Arts tied their hands for the first six months of development....

<Obsidian>
"Hey, we should play through the first game, get the feel of the story and setting, that kind of thing!"

<Lucas Arts>
"No.
You're not allowed to play through the first game at all."

Six months later....

<Lucas Arts>
"Say, why don't you guys play through the first game.
Y'know, get a feel for the story and the setting?"

<Obsidian>
"WHA'? YOU TOLD US NOT TO SIX MONTHS AGO!"

<Lucas Arts>
"Ah, right. Well, what you guys waitin' for?"

<Obsidian>
(Every single member of Obsidian Entertainment, in unison)
"D'OH!"

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:Perfect. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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In canon, yes--but not in the game. ;)

Mira's not three; she's twenty-three. :p

So if Revan were the mother/father, it couldn't have been with Carth or Bastila.

But it couldn't be either of them anyway, since no matter what Revan's gender is, Mira is still Mira. So that means she only has one parent--Revan.

So Mira must be a clone of Revan!

But Revan could be male...so what does that make Mira? :naughty:

(I'm being sarcastic, in case you can't tell. :p)

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Damn it!
There I was thinking you'd played too much Final Fantasy 7!

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This is why I said either Revan or Malak could be Mira's father. Here's another thought. That the Sith leader, Uthar, in KOTOR, could also be Mira's father. The mother could be Yuthra, as well. Just something to think about.

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Unfortunately, as has already been pointed out, Mira's in her twenty's.
Both Revan, Malak and the Exile aren't old enough.

As for Uthar Wynn and Yuthura Ban..... Mira's all human, with absolutely zero traces of any form of interspecies breeding.
Remember, whilst Uthar Wynn might have been human, Yuthura Ban most definitely was a Twi'lek.

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I say Mira's Dad was some random cerial killer or canible.(hense the word "Predator")

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[quote=Fyurii;4279383]Unfortunately, as has already been pointed out, Mira's in her twenty's.
Both Revan, Malak and the Exile aren't old enough.

Revan was old enough, and so was The exile and malak. They were all in early or late twentys.:deal:

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Ehrm...yeah...

Mira was fourteen around the time of the Battle of Malachor V. And Revan and the Exile don't qualify for other reasons. So unless Malak was getting frisky when he was ten...:naughty:

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I think we ought to just rule out Revan and the Exile. (And Bastila while we're at it)

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Mira was fourteen around the time of the Battle of Malachor V. And Revan and the Exile don't qualify for other reasons. So unless Malak was getting frisky when he was ten...:naughty:[/quote]
I was wrong, Revan was maybe in his 30s. Cuz when you meet Carth on taris he says that bastila is young, so about 20. Carth aso says that Bastila is a lot younger than himself and the charactor, which leaves you at about 40 yrs old i figure. The mandilorian wars were wat, 8-10 yrs before you land on telos?So Revan was about a little over 30 during the wars, thus, making it possible to have a 14 year old daughter!

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which opens up the choices of malak and the exile for they were the same age, if not older, than Revan

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As I hinted at earlier, Revan couldn't be Mira's mother or father. Why not? Well, for one thing Revan would have been around ten at the time of her birth. :naughty: And Revan could be either male or female in K2. Just think about that for a few minutes. ;)[/quote]

In some religions that are dead now and not then!You marry at 8, get it on at 9, and give birth at 10 or u were killed. They do that in africa just they dont kill you.

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Revan could have been her father, as he was old enough. However, being able to use the Force, could mean that one of her parents was a Force user. There were a lot of Jedi and Sith out there. So, it is possible that Revan was the father, but I think it could also be someone else.

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Carth was 38 at the time of K1, four years after Malachor.

Revan is around 30 at the time of K1, which would make him/her in his/her mid-twenties at the time of Malachor.

Malak is around Revan's age, if not younger. So, as I said, unless Malak was fooling around when he was ten, he ain't that baby's daddy.

And once again, neither Revan nor the Exile could be Mira's mother/father, since they'd have to be both. :p

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Can't we stop with the him/her deal?? We know Revan is a man and the exile is a chick, so let's keep our assumptions upon those guidelines.

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Except that's not how it is in the game. How could Revan be Mira's father if in the game Revan could be a woman?

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Because those choices are only there on an aesthetic level, and make absolutely no impact upon what was chosen as gender for either character.

For anyone who still considers Revan/the Exile/Malak as possible choices for Mira's father/mother/sperm donor/egg donor/whatever else you can think of.....

Mira was around 14, Revan/Malak/the Exile were in their early-mid twenties, so as JCarter has already said, unless they were engaging in severely under age sexual activities, then it's impossible for any of them to be a genetic forebare of Mira.

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He/she doesnt have to be both! Thats impossible, it's either Revan was the mom or Dad,not both, same with The exile!:teach:

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[quote=Fyurii]Because those choices are only there on an aesthetic level, and make absolutely no impact upon what was chosen as gender for either character.

For anyone who still considers Revan/the Exile/Malak as possible choices for Mira's father/mother/sperm donor/egg donor/whatever else you can think of.....

Revan was in his early 30s or late 20s during the mandolorian wars, like i said earlier,making all three an eligible choice!
(And like in my first reply on this thread, I think the father is some random canibol or murderer

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If both Revan and Exile were Mira's parents, (which is VERY unlikely) Revan is the father and the Exile is the mother. Not the other way around.

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I didnt say Revan had to be the father, and I didnt say the Exile and Revan were both parents. What I say is the dad was some random canible and the mom was Revan or the Exile!

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Revan can't be elligible as her mother.... REVAN IS A MAN!
Revan can't be elligible as father, because he would have had to have been engaging in underage sex.
THIS IS STAR WARS, NOT DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES!


The Exile can't be her mother, because like Revan, she's not old enough.

Mira was in her teens at the time of the Mandalorian War, whilst Revan and the Exile would be early to mid teens when she was born.....
That would mean an age difference of approximately 10 years!

How can I be sure they wouldn't have anything like this in Star Wars?
Simple.

Deathsticks = Cigarettes = Bad (but they taste soooooooooo good!)
Spice = Generic narcotic, different types available.
They removed Spice from SWG because it was drugs.

Whilst the game may have at least a teen recommended rating, like all other SW media, they want it as "family friendly" as possible.

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[quote=and the mom was Revan or the Exile![/quote] Again. Revan IS A MAN! There is no possible way in hell that Revan could be the mother! But let's rule out Revan and Exile ONCE AND FOR ALL, can't we?

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Amen to that!

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Revan and thwe exile were either man or woman, its the players choice!

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You just don't get it, do you? BioWare has CONFIRMED that Revan is a man and Obsidian confirmed that the Exile is a woman. Sure, it's the player's choice, but canonically, (meaning the way it fits into the rest of the story) Revan is male and Exile is female.