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God damn it! You simply try to bring the life back to a question (thread) and then everyone gets on eachother's asses for spamming!!! What the hell?!!?

Mira's father:

Back on topic, okay?
Finding out who Mira's mother is might be a good start. It could give us a better clue about who her father is.

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Uh maybe her mother is...uh..maybe her parents were force senstive.

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:lol: Well, we already have that much. jeje

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There's not much left to say. Mira's parents were only vaguely described in the game, and it's likely that Obsidian never even had anyone in particular in mind.

The horse is dead, you know.

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We'll see. I have a strange feeling that I may find something. Probably dedicate myself to some more research. My English teacher assigns so much homework and reading that I hardly have time to do anything else BUT that. :lol:

I'll post again if I find anything interesting.

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Do you know what gets me is how people tend to assume that if someone is Force Sensitive then their parents MUST be Force Sensitive too.

Its been proven in Canon that Sensitivity to the Force ISNT Genetic - its basically random. Based on how many "Midichlorians" you are born with.

Jedi are forbidden to have children. And Sith hate too much to bother.

Younglings have to come from somewhere - ordinary people most likely who have very little to no force sensitivity.

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Children born of Force Sensitive parents have a higher than average chance of being Force Sensitive.
Brianna, Vima Sunrider, Luke & Leia, Anakin (Solo), Jacen & Jaina, Kyle Katarn, A'sharad Hett, Ben Skywalker, and so many others.
The Jedi might be forbidden from having romantic relationships and spawning children, but it still happens.

As for the Sith.... Freedon Nadd.
He sired his own dynasty on Onderon.

Midichlorians were, in my slightly angered opinion, the worst thing that Lucas came up with after Jar-Jar and Anakin being a whiney little bastard.

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QFT.

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Meaning?

Yes, but there has to be some explanation of the Force. I think the midichlorians were an interesting idea.

I agree with Jar-Jar. I don't get him. But how was Anakin whiney? Admittedly, it's been a long time since I watched TPM, but I don't remember him whining. And even if he did, he's a fricking slave! He has a reason to angst! :lol:

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Are you incapable of using google or something and feel you must waste a post asking about pop culture phrases?

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What was wrong with it simply being what it was?

"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power.
It's an energy field created by all living things, it surrounds us, penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together."
Obi-Wan Kenobi

"Life creates it, makes it grow..."
Yoda

A mystical field of energy that was beyond scientific explanation, created by the very existence of life itself.

Episode I basically reversed what had already been established and left us with the Force being the be all and end all of existence, by having something to make Star Wars more Sci-Fi than Fantasy - Midichlorians.

So now, without Midichlorians, not only would there be no Force Sensitives in Star Wars, nothing would exist because the Midichlorians connect life to the Force.
Also, the possibility of a Sith Lord's manipulation of Midichlorians to create life.
Again, it's just a case of trying to make it more science than "magic in space".

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I didn't actually know it was a pop culture phrase. I just thought it was an acronym I hadn't encountered yet. One: I don't trust Google. it always comes up with porn. Two: Yes, I am incapable, because I have a limited amount of time on the internet. Three: It wasn't a wasted post, because I also said some other things. Four: It's a simple question. Aren't you supposed to be helpful?

Fyurii, those quotes don't make much sense. Everything I know about midichlorians says that those quotes are accurate.

Besides, most sci-fi's have some explanation as to what's going on.

For example, in Stargate, they need the Ancient gene to operate Atlantis and the control chair in Antarctica. If that was the case with the Force, why can't they just have gene therapy so half of the galaxy can use the Force?

So they need something that's impossible to create and something that supports what they've said so far. The midichlorians satisfy that.

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Originally it was a swords & sorcercy adventure in space.

The young hero, the princess, the old wizard ("that man's just a crazy old wizard"), the rogue and his sidekick, the evil lord (Let's face it, Vader is virtually the Witch-King!), and the droids were based on two characters from a Kurusawa film whereby the story is told from their perspective.

The Jedi were an almost monastic order, similar to warrior monks of ancient China or Japan, and many early sketches were extremely Samurai in their appearance.

It's all in many interviews with Lucas himself.

The original trilogy itself set the Force up as being created by the existence of life, whereas the prequel trilogy has reversed it so that the Force, through the application of midichlorians, is responsible for organic life.

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Err... they still are.

To be honest, I think that neither is true. Both need each other. If one didn't exist, the other would't either. Which leads into a whole chicken or the egg argument. Here's the answer. Neither. A blob of proto-goo existed first. :D

Think Harry Potter (sort of). "Neither can life while the other survives." Like I said, sort of.

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I think you don't know what the prophecy means. That statement says "Harry must kill Voldemort" or "Voldemort must kill Harry", not "they both need each other" or "if one doesn't exist niether will the other."

In fact, they're opposite statements.

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Those are exceptions to the rules though!

Its been proven that Jedi who violate the codes and Sith who are far sighted enough to want to sire a dynasty and such like are rare!

Jeez the most likely explanation is that Mira's father is a famous KOTOR era bounty hunter like Calo Nord.
I mean Calo Nord could meet the specs of being a "predator" after all isnt it said in the first game that Calo Nord is vicious and cares only about the kill and not the execution or "art" of it or of battle.

It could equally be that Mira's father is some joe public soldier who was drummed out of the army for being a vicious git.

The likely hood of it being a Jedi, Sith, or some other Force Sensitive person is very low.

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I'm of a similar opinion to you, in that I think her father was probably just some "Joe Public" soldier (not necessarily a vicious git, but that's just as likely), all I was saying was that children born of Force Sensitive parentage, have a higher than average chance of being Force Sensitive themselves.

The one name in those I listed that proves you wrong is Kyle Katarn.
His father Morgan was Force Sensitive, but he was never trained as a Jedi because he was too old when it was found out that he could have been a Jedi.
(By too old, I mean many years older than even Anakin had been.)

It's a big ol' galaxy in the SW universe, and the Jedi and Sith are a considerably small portion of those who would be Force Sensitive.

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I never said that so i dont follow how im "wrong".

I never said children of force sensitives werent likely to be force sensitive.

I said it wasnt likely Mira's parents were force sensitive.

I merely said that children of force sensitives were rare because of the "rules" governing sith and jedi.
Of course there are places where force sensitives werent trained such as Telos as evidenced by Carth and Dustil Onasi. But theres no evidence to say Mira came from such a place and every likely hood that she didnt.

It just annoys me how people assume that ALL force sensitives MUST come from force sensitive parents even tho canon evidence overwhelmingly points to that not being true.

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That is true. It could be that Mira is the first of her generation to be force-sensitive. It all has to start somewhere.

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okay since noone (looks really weird spelled like this...) seems to have thought of it yet, or in any case seems to have bothered throwing it out there, Traya had the Sith Academy where she trained force-sensitives to basically hunt down jedi and either drive them to the dark side or simply kill them (like Atton, though I'm not really sure if he's from the Sith-Academy), and could therefore also be seen as predators.
It could be possible that Mira's father was indeed some unknown bloke, but he was a sith assassin, not a republic soldier

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I do know what the prophecy means. It just sounded much, much better in my head. But Voldemort did need Harry and couldn't exist without him. Or haven't you yet Deathly Hallows yet? And the Harry we know wouldn't exist without Voldemort. What would he be like if James and Lily lived?

I'm going to presume that you mean he was found by the Old Jedi. Because he was trained by Luke.

For a start, we're thinking along the lines of non-Force Sensitive at the moment.

Secondly, the timeline is really off. Remember that she was a Mandalorian slave? And if it was one of Traya's assassins who fathered, or mothered her (we never figured that out either), then a Wookiee has a five-year-old human for an arch-nemesis. :lol:

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Wrong Katarn, I was speaking of Kyle's father, Morgan.
He had refused to be trained as a Jedi, (after an accident when using his powers) and later on during his time as a member of the Rebellion, he was killed by Jerec.
He had been a friend of Qu Rahn, whose Lightsaber he was given to pass on to his son Kyle.
He had never been a Jedi, nor trained as a Jedi.

If Kyle had been found to be Force Sensitive, it would have been registered in the Jedi's archive databases.
Afterall, he was born during the Clone Wars.

(Yes, this differs from what I originally said, but I've only just been re-reading the Dark Forces books again, so apologies for the confusion.)

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Two things first #61 the reason why nihilus couldnt feed on exile is because exile was a wound in the force, so nihilus was basically absorbing part of that. Second, and this is totally off the wall by the way, what about Atton? He had to be at least 20ish (possibly older) around the Mandalorian Wars, he was a "predator" so to speak, and was force sensitve, hmm? Hmm? I mean he doesnt look that old in K2 but hes at least late 20s early 30s lol

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He's at most 32. Mira is 23.

Awkward...

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23 and 32 is not that big an age difference. =p

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Atton having a child at age 9 erm... :Puzzled:

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Hey, could be possible. :naughty:

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Afterall, if there can be a SW based immaculate conception, then why couldn't Atton have been making babies at age nine??????????

Before anyone rubbishes the thought of it (as ludicrous and unlikely as that may be), remember we're dealing with the Force.... practically anything is possible in SW.:rofl:

Not that I believe it happenin in SW, but early puberty does happen in real life afterall.

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:n0e:

*Ahem*

Anyway...it's not Atton. It's definitely not Atton. Not in a million years. Could be someone like Atton, maybe, but not Atton.

Which brings me to another point...

Mira specifically says in the game that the only ones at Malachor were Mandalorians and Jedi--and Jedi don't have families.

Jedi don't have families, yes. Jedi don't. Sound familiar?

Mira words it carefully to suggest that because Jedi are forbidden from having children, she must be a Mandalorian--and she is a Mandalorian, this is true. But does that mean that her parents weren't Jedi? Not necessarily. Brianna's mother was a Jedi, so it's clearly not unheard of. But Brianna's mother was exiled from the order--that we probably would have heard of, if it were the case with Mira's folks.

So Mira's parents weren't Jedi, because Jedi don't have families. Jedi don't have families.

Jedi aren't the only Force sensitive group out there. There's the Jal Shey, the Zeishon Sha, the Matuki, the Baran Do, and entire species such as the Miraluka.

And then there's the Sith. Of course, there weren't any Sith back then, aside from the ever-elusive "True Sith". And I doubt Mira's folks were True Sith. That would be quite interesting, though.

However, there is one other thing to bear in mind--most of these other organizations were confined to a single planet, and kept to themselves mostly. And also, the Mandalorians had little experience with Force sensitives, so it's unlikely that they'd come cross them.

Which brings us back to the Jedi. Hmm...well, it's possible that Mira's folks were exempt from one of the rules (take Ki Adi Mundi as an example), or maybe the Jedi Council didn't know about it. And since the Mandalorians were at war with the Jedi, it's possible that the child of a Jedi wound up as a Mandalorian slave.

Of course, it's just as likely that neither parent was a Jedi.

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JCarter.

Mira wasnt Mandalorian. She was a Mandalorian slave who was adopted by them when she earned their respect in battle.

The family she lost was her adopted one not her real one.

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Methinks you should check again Mira - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki
It says they accepted her into a Mandaloiran Squad.

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Wiki says a lot of things. More than half of them aren't even half-truths.

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When she was adopted by them, she became Mandalorian.

Indeed they did, kudos to you:cool:

Whilst it is maintained solely by people contributing the information, rather than a properly employed team, whatever it says on Wookieepedia 9/10 times is backed up by a direct source or sources for the information.

Mira tells the Exile that the Mandalorians weren't her birth family, that they enslaved her and made her more like a conscript, then later accepted her into one of the clans as a fully fledged Mandalorian.

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:agreed

The way Mira words it, she leads the Exile (and the player) to believe she was a Mandalorian, and then adds "As much as any slave becomes a Mandalorian." It's carefully worded to suggest that she's not a Jedi--except that we know she's going to be a Jedi (or at least can be).

Just like the situation with Brianna--she is forbidden to learn the ways of the Jedi--a curious choice of words.

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There are DF books?!

The world's youngest mother was age 5. Check Wikipedia for Lina Medina. So, although it's extremely perverted and highly unlikely (George Lucas would likely get sued), it's possible.

Well it obviously can't be the Miraluka because they're all blind... unless Mira's wearing contacts?!?!?!?! :lol:

But I thought the others were all Jedi? The robe descriptions seemed to imply it to me.

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There are indeed Dark Forces books.
Covering Kyle's time as a Stormtrooper, to his transfer to Navy, his father's death, joining the Rebellion and going down the path of the Jedi.

I don't think the Zeison Sha or Jal Shey were Jedi or Sith, but Force users who wore armour.
Basically it was a way for Jedi characters to wear armour and use Force Powers without being uber, because people whined about not being able to use things like Force Speed or Lightning whilst wearing armour.

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I've got to find those.

Yeah, I never got that. Vader could probably use Lightning, even in his suit. I know it was for balance purposes, but it still lacks logic.

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A lot of things in video games lack balance, but you can't a game where one class is super-powerful and the rest are average. It would make those other classes pointless. So it's exactly a balance issue, and it has to be there for the game to function properly. What fun would the game really be if everything was 'realistic'? There would be no challenge, until you got to fighting another Jedi, in which case the first person to score a hit would win because the lightsaber would cut your head off rather than doing 1d8 energy damage. :lol:

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Halo 3. Legendary. A single Grunt has the ability to take you out in less than three seconds. Damn, it is humiliating to be killed repeatedly by the same pipsqueak. :lol:

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One minor correction here.
Pick any Halo game on Legendary, and one of those cute little fellas will simply whip it out, and proceed to cock slap you into oblivion.... with extreme prejudice.

However, the point that was being made was in regards to playable classes/characters etc, those which only a human being playing a game can control.
Unforunately, this seems to exclude MMOs.

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In the begining this thread was about miras father right??

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Indeed it was.

To speculate over whom we believed her father to be, based upon a comment from Kreia.

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yea i thougt so

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Yeah, we have got a bit off-topic, haven't we?

But we were trying to figure out Mira's mother as well now. To be honest, this thread is going nowhere. We'll never figure it out until K3 comes along (and possibly not even then). For now, I'm going to assume that her parents were just two nobodies.

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Very well then. Until then, I'll stick to my theory: One of Mira's parents were force sensitive But like Jade said, all we need to do now is wait.

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Meh, personally I prefer her parents being "Mr & Mrs Joe Nobody", meaning she could be the first of her genetic line to become Force Sensitive.

Either option is just as likely in SW though, so indeed it will have to be yet another case of....

Wait and see.

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ok this is reply to varoius posts i read

1) force and mediclorians - it is the mediclorians that let us know about the force and allow us to use it (not exact words but i do belive this is what gin said in the first movie)
2) mira's pops could be raven or malek (unless the game creators stated somewhere about there age)
3) personally to me canon is either onscreen or straight from the horses mouth.
4) on the topic of other force users try the nightsisters. remember not everyone calls God, God some use a differnet name for the one that created all life.
5) remember how vaders mom stated there was no father she just carried him and raised him. he was consived by the force. why can this not be the same in this case the force could be the altimate predator.

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She neeeever said that :lol:. From the way she made the statement I rather inferred she and Anakin's father were simply not on speaking terms. I assumed perhaps she'd been raped or somesuch. Maybe his father is Watto? =p

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His father is most likely Darth Plaguis. Darth Sidious' master. Anyway...........maybe her father was......Darth Nihilus :naughty:

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:confused: Yes, she did.

"Who was the father?"

"There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I don't know how it happened."

(Or something like that).

And I think it's probably best for everyone to assume that her parents were not Force-sensitive and were complete nobodies. This will stop you from being disappointed if they actually are. :lol:

Actually, I got the impression that it was Sidious himself.

Well, then they're nobodies. I don't know about Revan and Malak, but Raven and Malek have not sired any children. Isn't that right, Darth Raven? *Mini-Rancor grins as it cleans a Suethor from its teeth* (Kudos to anyone who understands what a Mini-Rancor/Mini-Balrog/Mini-Aragog is)

Or from the books or the graphic novels or the games or the...

Possibly except that the Force doesn't randomly concieve children (Anakin only because Sidious (possibly) created him and then only because he was the Chosen One). Also, the Force itself has never killed someone. Not on its own.