I don't recall Trask being any kind of hunter.

Bandon?.....Nah hmmm Sion????

The battle of Malachor V was approximately 7 years before TSL.
TSL takes place five years after KOTOR, the events of which take place about two and a half years after the end of the Mandalorian war.

Nihilus being "born" with the aftermath of the battle, is just a way of saying that whomever he was before, was destroyed. From the ashes of that life, Darth Nihilus was born.

Just like the "death of Anakin Skywalker" was the birth of Darth Vader.

Mira born: 3,974 BBY
Battle of Malachor V: 3,960 BBY
KOTOR 1: 3,956 BBY
KOTOR 2: 3,951 BBY

--Chris Avellone, StarWarsKnights.com - Knights of the Old Republic - Kotor TSL - The Sith Lords

I don't think there's anyway Mira is older than Nihlus. I agree with the whole: death-of-the-person-he-was-before, birth-of-Nihlus.
I don't think her father is Nihlus or Sion. I just don't. And can't people be Force Sensative without their parents being a Force Sensative, too?:confused:
I think her father is either Mandalore or it would be cool if it was Revan.:p

Yes indeed. If Jedi can't have children, where else would the younglings have come from?

I should note that Mr Avellone's comments are very vague, so vague that several theories have formed--everything from Nihlilus is a manifestation of the Exile's connection to the Force, to Nihilus is Zayne Carrick, to Nihilus is Revan. Personally, I like to think the first one, because of the Exile's reaction to Nihilus' mask.

so youre saying Nihilus is Zayne Carrick

Ummm...no...

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He said that it was a theory that had popped up. And if you had read the damn post, you would have seen this:

Though what was the reaction? I can't remember.

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Wow, so many interesting things floating around. I never thought of Nihilus as a somewhat obscure manifestation of The Exile, but it sure ties a lot of details. Kudos on that approach!! It would discard the whole Zayne Carrick-Nihilus idea, which seems quite ridiculous at this point, and it would also explain the clear similarities between the characters. To tell the truth, this is the best proposal I have read on the subject, though it raises a scary subject: If Nihilus is a dark aspect of The Exile, does it mean he/she has the Sith Lord's tremendous power at his/her disposal, at any given time, and also, does it mean Nihilus' vast knowledge resides somewhere inside The Exile, perhaps in the sub-conscious?

My, my, if Nihilus is a male, human expresion of dark ego, does this mean Kreia's "greatest apprentice" is, in fact, the Exile?

On the other hand, it has been clearly stated Mandalore, Carth, Revan and the like are not prime candidates to being Mira's father, for they do not fit in the known criteria. I still think one of the Sith Lords could fit the bill, for they have all characteristics, including presence and relation to the events in Mira's life. The only other possible explanation is she is the daughter of an obscure, non-appearing, character only known by Kreia.

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One more thing to add to J Carter's suggested theory is the fact Nihilus "melts" after the final battle, as well as why he could not feed on the Exile. Since they both are the only known characters in Star Wars to display such characteristic, it would make sense they are but the same entity. Damn!! I haven't been this excited on a subject since the whole Unifying Force concept!!

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Mira's mother was Arren Kai. So was her father. Not literally, of course. :D

It has been suggested that Brianna's mother, Arren Kai, is actually Kreia. It might be true, but we might never know. Same with Mira's folks; they might be someone we know, or they might be no one at all.

(Off-topic):

After you defeat Nihilus, your character picks up the mask and looks at it with bizarre fascination, as if there's some connection between them.

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You mean Kae! KAE NOT KAI :p

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Whatever. :D

You know, when I was typing that, I was sure I was spelling it wrong...

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If Mira's mother was Arren Kae, then that means that the Handmaiden is her sister. No, I don't think so.

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Wait Revan91!Arren Kae married a Echani Yusians but,it could be a possiblity that they could of had a different father that is the question yet to be answered!!

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*slaps self on head*

I said that Arren Kae is Mira's mother metaphorically. Her mother and father might possibly be people that we know from the game, just as Arren Kae might be Kreia...but it's equally possible that Mira's folks are random people we've never heard of. We may never know.

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I don't think Arren is Kreia, though I've been wrong before. Considering the handmaiden's young age (late teens, early twenties) her mother wouldn't have so many wrinkles and cresses. Unless she had Handmaiden at the age of 50 or something.

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Really? I remember that I could only get the mask if I snarled at Visas. And then it sat around in my inventory looking creepy for the rest of the game.

Hey, it's possible in our world. Why not in Star Wars?

I've come up with a theory. Maybe Mira's father isn't even mentioned in the game. It could just be possible that he appears in KotOR III or KotOR MMO or whatever the hell BioWare have decided to do. I'm personally praying for KotOR III as I can't play MMOs.

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Well, Kreia is 50 at the time of K2. Check her DOB and DOD Kreia - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki. Yeah, I know...go figure...

Anyway, it's almost certain that Obsidian planned for her to be Kae. The main evidence is that Arren Kae was Revan's first and last teacher, and so was Kreia, and also Mr Avellone's comment "Sorry, can't comment--but good catch."

But back on the topic of Mira...once again, we'll probably never know.

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Kreia's age being 50 is not confirmed.
Chris Avellone said she might be around 50, but it's not known for sure.
It was just something to further the mystique surrounding her life.

As for the main "evidence" of Kreia being Arren Kae......
The game has alot of conflicting things throughout the dialog that weren't sorted.
Best example:
Characters referring to Revan's gender as being opposite from what the player decides at the beginning - Player says male, Carth says female.

Unfortunately there's evidence for both points of view about the whole Kreia/Arren Kae thing.

However, as you said, back on topic.
The way I see it, is that with Mira's parentage being brought up in game shows the possibility that it may have been something they wanted to explore in the game, or in a sequel (or maybe even an alternate media based spin off of sorts).

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Definitely. At this point, Kreia's suggestion of Mira's "predator" father hint at an unknown character, possibly discarded from TSL at last minute, or expected to appear in later media works.

As for Kreia being Arren Kae... there's enough evidence to sustain it... as there's enough evidence to deny it. For instance, when Kreia faces the council on Dantooine, Vrook Lamar states he expected her to have died in the Mandalorian Wars. Until then, Kreia's participation in the Mandalorian Wars was completely unknown, but Vrook's remark is consistent with Arren Kae being Revan's last master. However, such evidence could be refuted by the fact Kreia would have mated Yusanis, given birth to Brianna Kae, and followed Revan out of a supposed romantic interest. This, as unbelievable as it may sound, would furtherly be incredible if we add the fact Traya never shows a sentimental reaction to the handmaiden, nor speaks of Yusanis.

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No. My mom is like 50. Kreia has to be like 70 or 80.

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:clueless: Well, Mr Avellone's word might not be canon, but it's the closest we've got.

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Not all people of the same age look alike. Although I agree -- her face looks naturally old, not Dark Side decayed like Palpatine's. 80's a little too old, but 65-70 is about what she looks. They can say whatever they want, but they should have the brains to make the models reflect what they say... or vice versa. ;)

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Well, Kreia was probably modelled after the voice actress, who was 63 at the time.

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If they wanted her to be younger, they should have (a) found a younger voice actress and (b) made a younger-looking model. My only point here is saying she's 50 when everything else suggests otherwise makes them sound like idiots. =p

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Yeah...

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"an immensely powerful predator of life"

Wookiepedia's description of Darth Nihilus. Cough!! Cough!! Furtherly furtherizing my theory on Nihilus being obcenely powerful and obcenely addequate to being Mira's father. :nodding:

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Wikipedia can't be trusted on many things. Those pages you see on wiki are made by people that are no more fans than we are. They're liable to get as many things wrong as we are if one of us wrote it.

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First, it's Wookieepedia. And second, I wouldn't trust them 100% for anything. Check the sources.

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Check them both. Both Wikipedia and Wookieepedia have a page on KOTOR.

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true wookiepedias has more info though

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Actually, Wikipedia's stuff is just cliff notes of Wookieepedia's stuff, and it's often inaccurate because there aren't as many users who care about fixing every minor detail on Wiki than there are on Wookiee.

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Actually, I think there are more on Wiki. But there's more stuff on Wiki so they're more spread out and with some of the fanwars going on (Star Trek/Star Wars) they probably don't care about updating.

Regarding that fanwar, I'm neutral. I support both sides as I see fit. But forget about that or we'll go way off-topic.

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Well, I can tell you this much, the wookiepedia is the single greatest source I have found. Considering it mostly refers to actual recognized data and sources; of course, there are inconsistencies and discrepancy, but any multi-source deals on those to some extent. Once again, I accept only the facts which are clearly stated, sustained, and follow in-universe logic. To date, I have only found a single concept in the wookiepedia which seems contradictory, the rest are contradictory from the very source. The remarks on it being written by fans seem intrascendental to me; I don't care who writes what, as long as the work is coherent and adequates to the previously mentioned criteria.

I read the Unnoficial Encyclopedia, most of the old comics and novels, and have found no evidence of biased information in the site. I mean, they even have little alert signs on dubious content...

You can trust the wookiepedia as far as you can trust any other recognized source, including George Lucas, who in more than one ocassion has been known to be biased to his very own characters.

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Oh, while I don't trust Wookiee 100%, I trust it more than Mr Lucas, I can assure you. :lol:

The problem I have is that there are blatant mistakes on Wookieepedia, and there are constant wars going on, and perhaps I should just stop there, so as not to offend anyone.

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Constant wars??... You mean as in STAR WARS, or as in FAN WARS??

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Editing wars.

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What, is that the title of the next "Ultimate Special Edition Boxset", when Lucas releases all six films in one over priced boxset.

In which Obi-Wan Vs Darth Vader is redone in CGI with their lines dubbed over by impressionists, saying things like.

"We meet again at last. When I left you, you hated Jar-Jar."

"Still dealing in absolutes i see, Vader. I think Jar-Jar was a hero to the Republic!"

Joking aside, Wookieepedia (and some parts of Wiki) are constantly undergoing changes in their SW related content.
Both from the "Editing Wars", and the changes in canon.

That's why, like all those who have said so in this thread and others, always check the source of the information.

Afterall, it took a long time before the length of a Super Star Destroyer was set to a standard, canon measurement.

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OK. Time to ditch Wiki. I'm pretty sure that the reason the thread starter started the thread did so because he couldn't find any info on Mira's father whatsoever. lol. How did this conversation about Wikipedia and Wookiepedia start anyway? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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:clueless:

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Thank you! I'm currently writing a fic called Spoof Wars. I couldn't think of anything for that scene.:lol:

Didn't you start it? *narrator's voice* Find out next time on FileFront Forums! ... or flick back a few pages...

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Editing Wars

:lol: Nice one, Fyurii--I didn't even think of it!

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Ok, well this thread's been abandoned for quite some time now. I hope you all have been doing research! :rofl:Any more ideas?

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:uhh:

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WTF? And I got bad rep for "spamming" this thread?

Revan91, if I find out it was you who bad repped me, there's going to be hell to pay. My last post was not spam. It was mildly off-topic, but so was most of the rest of the thread.

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I didn't rep you, I repped Carter.
(I hardly rep anyone unless the truly deserve it) [Frankly, I don't give a shit about spam, so I don't rep people because of spam.]
And how can you call my last post spam anyway? It would be spam if I said "I like pie" or something along those lines. I was being serious. Did anyone find anything out?

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I know who it was, but it would be unethical of me to tell you. =p

Don't take reputation so seriously. Threatening someone over speculated negative rep is not only immature, but can get you in serious trouble.

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It's never a good idea to go around threatening other people on a forum.
Aside from it being pointless, it has the nasty side effect of making you look immature, or slightly unhinged.
Given the way you normally post, and your conduct in general, you're quite the opposite.
So don't start making people think they got the wrong impression about you.

Don't worry, you aren't the only one who gets neg rep for something that was *ahem* "spam".
The same happened to me in the Twi'lek thread..... and it sure wasn't spam.