Mira's father (spoliers)

[thejadefalcon]

I think you don't know what the prophecy means. That statement says "Harry must kill Voldemort" or "Voldemort must kill Harry", not "they both need each other" or "if one doesn't exist niether will the other."

In fact, they're opposite statements.

I do know what the prophecy means. It just sounded much, much better in my head. But Voldemort did need Harry and couldn't exist without him. Or haven't you yet Deathly Hallows yet? And the Harry we know wouldn't exist without Voldemort. What would he be like if James and Lily lived?

he was never trained as a Jedi because he was too old when it was found out that he could have been a Jedi.

I'm going to presume that you mean he was found by the Old Jedi. Because he was trained by Luke.

It could be possible that Mira's father was indeed some unknown bloke, but he was a sith assassin, not a republic soldier

For a start, we're thinking along the lines of non-Force Sensitive at the moment.

Secondly, the timeline is really off. Remember that she was a Mandalorian slave? And if it was one of Traya's assassins who fathered, or mothered her (we never figured that out either), then a Wookiee has a five-year-old human for an arch-nemesis. :lol:

[Fyurii]

Originally Posted by thejadefalcon

I'm going to presume that you mean he was found by the Old Jedi. Because he was trained by Luke.

Wrong Katarn, I was speaking of Kyle's father, Morgan.
He had refused to be trained as a Jedi, (after an accident when using his powers) and later on during his time as a member of the Rebellion, he was killed by Jerec.
He had been a friend of Qu Rahn, whose Lightsaber he was given to pass on to his son Kyle.
He had never been a Jedi, nor trained as a Jedi.

If Kyle had been found to be Force Sensitive, it would have been registered in the Jedi's archive databases.
Afterall, he was born during the Clone Wars.

(Yes, this differs from what I originally said, but I've only just been re-reading the Dark Forces books again, so apologies for the confusion.)

[GrdAdmSenza]

Two things first #61 the reason why nihilus couldnt feed on exile is because exile was a wound in the force, so nihilus was basically absorbing part of that. Second, and this is totally off the wall by the way, what about Atton? He had to be at least 20ish (possibly older) around the Mandalorian Wars, he was a "predator" so to speak, and was force sensitve, hmm? Hmm? I mean he doesnt look that old in K2 but hes at least late 20s early 30s lol

[JCarter426]

He's at most 32. Mira is 23.

Awkward...

[Inyri Forge]

23 and 32 is not that big an age difference.

[Lordjedi]

Atton having a child at age 9 erm...

[Inyri Forge]

Hey, could be possible.

[Fyurii]

Originally Posted by Inyri Forge

Hey, could be possible.

Afterall, if there can be a SW based immaculate conception, then why couldn't Atton have been making babies at age nine??????????

Before anyone rubbishes the thought of it (as ludicrous and unlikely as that may be), remember we're dealing with the Force.... practically anything is possible in SW.

Not that I believe it happenin in SW, but early puberty does happen in real life afterall.

[JCarter426]

*Ahem*

Anyway...it's not Atton. It's definitely not Atton. Not in a million years. Could be someone like Atton, maybe, but not Atton.

Which brings me to another point...

Mira specifically says in the game that the only ones at Malachor were Mandalorians and Jedi--and Jedi don't have families.

Jedi don't have families, yes. Jedi don't. Sound familiar?

KREIA: If you train her, if you teach her the ways of the Jedi, you will be asking her to break her oath to Atris. It would be best not to train her, and let the bloodline die with Telos.

EXILE: You said teach her the ways of the Jedi. Curious choice of words.

KREIA: Ah, that was an interesting choice of words, indeed. She has sworn not to follow the path of the Jedi, by her oath... but even that oath is limited. One does not need to be Jedi to learn the ways of the Force. I suspect it cares little for our codes and philosophies.

EXILE: Are you proposing teaching her the ways of the Sith?

KREIA: I propose nothing except what you choose to read into my words.

Mira words it carefully to suggest that because Jedi are forbidden from having children, she must be a Mandalorian--and she is a Mandalorian, this is true. But does that mean that her parents weren't Jedi? Not necessarily. Brianna's mother was a Jedi, so it's clearly not unheard of. But Brianna's mother was exiled from the order--that we probably would have heard of, if it were the case with Mira's folks.

So Mira's parents weren't Jedi, because Jedi don't have families. Jedi don't have families.

Jedi aren't the only Force sensitive group out there. There's the Jal Shey, the Zeishon Sha, the Matuki, the Baran Do, and entire species such as the Miraluka.

And then there's the Sith. Of course, there weren't any Sith back then, aside from the ever-elusive "True Sith". And I doubt Mira's folks were True Sith. That would be quite interesting, though.

However, there is one other thing to bear in mind--most of these other organizations were confined to a single planet, and kept to themselves mostly. And also, the Mandalorians had little experience with Force sensitives, so it's unlikely that they'd come cross them.

Which brings us back to the Jedi. Hmm...well, it's possible that Mira's folks were exempt from one of the rules (take Ki Adi Mundi as an example), or maybe the Jedi Council didn't know about it. And since the Mandalorians were at war with the Jedi, it's possible that the child of a Jedi wound up as a Mandalorian slave.

Of course, it's just as likely that neither parent was a Jedi.

[ganoesparan06]

JCarter.

Mira wasnt Mandalorian. She was a Mandalorian slave who was adopted by them when she earned their respect in battle.

The family she lost was her adopted one not her real one.