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Fyurii February 12th, 2008 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thejadefalcon (Post 4210550)
Yes, but there has to be some explanation of the Force. I think the midichlorians were an interesting idea.

What was wrong with it simply being what it was?

"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power.
It's an energy field created by all living things, it surrounds us, penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together."
Obi-Wan Kenobi

"Life creates it, makes it grow..."
Yoda

A mystical field of energy that was beyond scientific explanation, created by the very existence of life itself.

Episode I basically reversed what had already been established and left us with the Force being the be all and end all of existence, by having something to make Star Wars more Sci-Fi than Fantasy - Midichlorians.

So now, without Midichlorians, not only would there be no Force Sensitives in Star Wars, nothing would exist because the Midichlorians connect life to the Force.
Also, the possibility of a Sith Lord's manipulation of Midichlorians to create life.
Again, it's just a case of trying to make it more science than "magic in space".

thejadefalcon February 13th, 2008 04:31 AM

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Are you incapable of using google or something and feel you must waste a post asking about pop culture phrases?
I didn't actually know it was a pop culture phrase. I just thought it was an acronym I hadn't encountered yet. One: I don't trust Google. it always comes up with porn. Two: Yes, I am incapable, because I have a limited amount of time on the internet. Three: It wasn't a wasted post, because I also said some other things. Four: It's a simple question. Aren't you supposed to be helpful?

Fyurii, those quotes don't make much sense. Everything I know about midichlorians says that those quotes are accurate.

Besides, most sci-fi's have some explanation as to what's going on.

For example, in Stargate, they need the Ancient gene to operate Atlantis and the control chair in Antarctica. If that was the case with the Force, why can't they just have gene therapy so half of the galaxy can use the Force?

So they need something that's impossible to create and something that supports what they've said so far. The midichlorians satisfy that.

Fyurii February 13th, 2008 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by thejadefalcon (Post 4212416)
So they need something that's impossible to create and something that supports what they've said so far. The midichlorians satisfy that.

Originally it was a swords & sorcercy adventure in space.

The young hero, the princess, the old wizard ("that man's just a crazy old wizard"), the rogue and his sidekick, the evil lord (Let's face it, Vader is virtually the Witch-King!), and the droids were based on two characters from a Kurusawa film whereby the story is told from their perspective.

The Jedi were an almost monastic order, similar to warrior monks of ancient China or Japan, and many early sketches were extremely Samurai in their appearance.

It's all in many interviews with Lucas himself.

The original trilogy itself set the Force up as being created by the existence of life, whereas the prequel trilogy has reversed it so that the Force, through the application of midichlorians, is responsible for organic life.

thejadefalcon February 13th, 2008 09:38 AM

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The Jedi were an almost monastic order,
Err... they still are.

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The original trilogy itself set the Force up as being created by the existence of life, whereas the prequel trilogy has reversed it so that the Force, through the application of midichlorians, is responsible for organic life.
To be honest, I think that neither is true. Both need each other. If one didn't exist, the other would't either. Which leads into a whole chicken or the egg argument. Here's the answer. Neither. A blob of proto-goo existed first. :D

Think Harry Potter (sort of). "Neither can life while the other survives." Like I said, sort of.

Inyri Forge February 13th, 2008 09:54 AM

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Think Harry Potter (sort of). "Neither can life while the other survives." Like I said, sort of.
I think you don't know what the prophecy means. That statement says "Harry must kill Voldemort" or "Voldemort must kill Harry", not "they both need each other" or "if one doesn't exist niether will the other."

In fact, they're opposite statements.

ganoesparan06 February 14th, 2008 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fyurii (Post 4207319)
Children born of Force Sensitive parents have a higher than average chance of being Force Sensitive.
Brianna, Vima Sunrider, Luke & Leia, Anakin (Solo), Jacen & Jaina, Kyle Katarn, A'sharad Hett, Ben Skywalker, and so many others.
The Jedi might be forbidden from having romantic relationships and spawning children, but it still happens.

As for the Sith.... Freedon Nadd.
He sired his own dynasty on Onderon.

Midichlorians were, in my slightly angered opinion, the worst thing that Lucas came up with after Jar-Jar and Anakin being a whiney little bastard.



Those are exceptions to the rules though!

Its been proven that Jedi who violate the codes and Sith who are far sighted enough to want to sire a dynasty and such like are rare!

Jeez the most likely explanation is that Mira's father is a famous KOTOR era bounty hunter like Calo Nord.
I mean Calo Nord could meet the specs of being a "predator" after all isnt it said in the first game that Calo Nord is vicious and cares only about the kill and not the execution or "art" of it or of battle.

It could equally be that Mira's father is some joe public soldier who was drummed out of the army for being a vicious git.

The likely hood of it being a Jedi, Sith, or some other Force Sensitive person is very low.

Fyurii February 14th, 2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ganoesparan06 (Post 4214181)
Those are exceptions to the rules though!

Its been proven that Jedi who violate the codes and Sith who are far sighted enough to want to sire a dynasty and such like are rare!

Jeez the most likely explanation is that Mira's father is a famous KOTOR era bounty hunter like Calo Nord.
I mean Calo Nord could meet the specs of being a "predator" after all isnt it said in the first game that Calo Nord is vicious and cares only about the kill and not the execution or "art" of it or of battle.

It could equally be that Mira's father is some joe public soldier who was drummed out of the army for being a vicious git.

The likely hood of it being a Jedi, Sith, or some other Force Sensitive person is very low.

I'm of a similar opinion to you, in that I think her father was probably just some "Joe Public" soldier (not necessarily a vicious git, but that's just as likely), all I was saying was that children born of Force Sensitive parentage, have a higher than average chance of being Force Sensitive themselves.

The one name in those I listed that proves you wrong is Kyle Katarn.
His father Morgan was Force Sensitive, but he was never trained as a Jedi because he was too old when it was found out that he could have been a Jedi.
(By too old, I mean many years older than even Anakin had been.)

It's a big ol' galaxy in the SW universe, and the Jedi and Sith are a considerably small portion of those who would be Force Sensitive.

ganoesparan06 February 14th, 2008 01:14 PM

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I never said that so i dont follow how im "wrong".

I never said children of force sensitives werent likely to be force sensitive.

I said it wasnt likely Mira's parents were force sensitive.

I merely said that children of force sensitives were rare because of the "rules" governing sith and jedi.
Of course there are places where force sensitives werent trained such as Telos as evidenced by Carth and Dustil Onasi. But theres no evidence to say Mira came from such a place and every likely hood that she didnt.

It just annoys me how people assume that ALL force sensitives MUST come from force sensitive parents even tho canon evidence overwhelmingly points to that not being true.

The Crusader February 14th, 2008 01:28 PM

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That is true. It could be that Mira is the first of her generation to be force-sensitive. It all has to start somewhere.

d_apocalypse February 14th, 2008 02:07 PM

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okay since noone (looks really weird spelled like this...) seems to have thought of it yet, or in any case seems to have bothered throwing it out there, Traya had the Sith Academy where she trained force-sensitives to basically hunt down jedi and either drive them to the dark side or simply kill them (like Atton, though I'm not really sure if he's from the Sith-Academy), and could therefore also be seen as predators.
It could be possible that Mira's father was indeed some unknown bloke, but he was a sith assassin, not a republic soldier


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