Video Cards??
 

I understand that the GeForce 4 is recommened for this game but while browsing for prices on it I came across variations on it

e.g. 64MB CREATIVE GEFORCE 4MX440+TV+DDR RET

64MB GEFORCE 4MX440+TV+DDR RETAIL

I was hoping I could be told what these mean as I don't want to buy the wrong card just incase those letters are important.

Thanks for any help.

128mb geforce ti4200
 

i bought the 128mb geforce ti4200, and it rocks! you may need to think about your budget, but the 300$ canadian i paid for it was well worth it. also a 64 mb card will not grow with your system for long. i also hear that the mx series had less than stellar reviews (older technology)...and thats why they brought out the 4200. hope this helps?

They are both the same cards except one is made by the Creative Company and the other one is made by Nvidia. The one that says creative just has its name on the box but it is the same graphics card. They both have TV out. Personaly I would buy the other one. The

64MB GeForce 4 MX 440 DDR + TV Out Retail

MX? No. Ti.
 

Do NOT buy a GeForce4 MX of any type. MX's are in actuality a slightly revamped GeForce 2. It's basically nVidia's way of suckering newbies into buying something crappy for a high price.

I bought an MX420 a few months back and I've been using it since then. I'll admit, it's not a "bad" card. It's served me well the past couple months, but looking back on it, it was hardly any better than my old TNT2.

For only a few bucks more you can get yourself the GeForce4 Ti4200 which is a REAL GF4: It supports pixel-shading (really, REALLY beautiful water), all the high-res stuff and is just overall a great video card. I just ordered one myself a week ago and it should be arriving in a couple hours..

So, yeah, basically spend the ~$50 extra and buy a 4200. You WILL regret buying ANY type of MX video card. Always use the extra cash to go the step farther and buy a Ti. You can find a GeForce4 Ti4200 on pricewatch.com for only $130-150 right now. if you plan on using the card for a while, get the 128RAM version. If you're like me and are just gonna upgrade it again in a couple months, get the cheaper 64RAM one. I only bought the 64-version because I plan on buying the nv30 once it's out.

Forget nVidia, ATI's new Radeon 9700 destroys all the competition.

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1683&p=1
http://www4.tomshardware.com/graphic...819/index.html

And btw, I'm running the game with a GeForce2 TI(which I paid around $80 for a year ago) on 1024x768 high quality and get around 70-90fps in most levels. That's adaquate enough for me to play the game.

Also,
AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.4Ghz on ASUS A7A 266
256MB Crucial DDR PC2100 RAM
40GB 7200 IBM Deskstar
SoundBlaster Live! 5.1

For anyone who was wondering...

Also, here's the price guide from Anandtech:

http://anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.html?i=1688&p=4

Usually the best prices on the net can be found here.

F.A.O

Vrykyl

hi there just read ur post abvout the G4MX 420

Have just installed JK2 and the damm thing wont work :(

i get message up saying invalid openGL driver

wonder if you had same prob with that card ?

or anyone else can offer some help this would be greatly

appreciated

running windows 2k athlon 1200 500 meg ram

Thanks guys


keith

Please email me at kgibbo@btinternet.com



:fistpunch:

I have a Geforce 4 MX series because my lame computer can only take 64 megs of DDR ram (I know I'm dumb but it was cheap!) and it runs smoothly.A good way to test your graphics card is to download the original full version of the ladder and spawn in Jedi and Reborns and Desann and rebels until your frame rate gets choppy. It takes about 50 things onscreen for it to slow. But as everybody else said dont get the MX series unless its that or a crayon. Get the TI4200 or above. BUT IF YOU HAVE THE 300 BUCKS GET THE :dance: RADEON 9700 :dance: AND RULE THE WORLD!:dance:

I have GF 4 MX440, and I can play all the games i have with max res and extra graphics options. JK2, MOHAA, AA, Elder Scrols (the new one)
I dont know what your complaining about.
I use a

2.0 GHZ Pentium 4 (500mhz bus speed)
60GB hard drive
256 MB ram
GF 4 MX440 Graphics Card
Windows XP

crap your lucky. 1.4 ghz Celeron w/ GF 4 MX 420 256 mb and a 209 gb HD is all I got

Actually $400.

Solid
 

P4 2.53Ghz
512MB DDR RAM
160GB HD
GeForce 4 MX440 64MB DDR RAM

Solid :smokin:

A quote from John Carmack:

"On the topic of current Nvidia cards:

Do not buy a GeForce4-MX for Doom[3].

Nvidia has really made a mess of the naming conventions here. I always thought it was bad enough that GF2 was just a speed bumped GF1, while GF3 had significant architectural improvements over GF2. I expected GF4 to be the speed bumped GF3, but calling the NV17 GF4-MX really sucks.

GF4-MX will still run Doom properly, but it will be using the NV10 codepath with only two texture units and no vertex shaders. A GF3 or 8500 will be much better performers. The GF4-MX may still be the card of choice for many people depending on pricing, especially considering that many games won't use four textures and vertex programs, but damn, I wish they had named it something else.

As usual, there will be better cards available from both Nvidia and ATI by the time we ship the game."

http://www.shacknews.com/finger/?fid...idsoftware.com

GeForce4 MX is not designed for next-generation games.

nVidia does not make any of their own cards. ATI does [edit:]make their own cards[/edit].

Re: Video Cards??
 

Answering the first post...

There a two different GeForce4 lines (three if you count the mobile GeForce4 Go): the MX line, and the TI line. The MX are essentially the "bargain-brand" performance card. They are good cards for the money you pay but will effectively be obselete with next-generation games like Unreal Tournament 2003 and Doom 3. There are three MX cards, the MX460, MX440, and MX420.

The GeForce4 MX 460 has a 300MHz GPU clock and a 275MHz memory clock. The MX 440 is clocked internally at 270MHz with a 200MHz memory clock. Finally the entry-level GeForce4 MX 420 is clocked at 250MHz core with 166MHz memory.

Quote from http://anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1583&p=6 :
It turned out that the NV17M was eventually going to be a desktop part as well under the codename NV17, which is what we had always known as the GeForce3 MX. The major problem with this name is that the NV17 core lacks all of the DirectX 8 pixel and vertex shader units that made the original GeForce3 what it was. Instead, the NV17 would basically be a GeForce2 MX with an improved memory controller, multisample AA unit, and updated video features; another way of looking at it would be the GeForce3 without two pixel pipelines or DirectX 8 compliance. The problem most developers will have with this is that the uneducated end user would end up purchasing the GeForce3 MX with the idea that it had at least the basic functionality of the regular GeForce3, only a bit slower. While in reality, the GeForce3 MX would not allow developers to assume that a great portion of the market had DX8 compliant cards.

Luckily NVIDIA decided against calling the desktop NV17 the GeForce3 MX, unfortunately they stuck with the name GeForce4 MX. This is even more misleading to those that aren't well informed as it gives the impression that the card at least has the minimal set of features that the GeForce3 had - which it doesn't.

More specifically, the GeForce4 MX features no DirectX 8 pixel shaders and only limited support for vertex shaders. The chip does support NVIDIA's Shading Rasterizer (NSR) from the original GeForce2 but that's definitely a step back from the programmable nature of the GeForce3 core.

Instead of the MX line, I would highly recommend the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro, which is cheaper and faster.

link: http://anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1655

The TI line is definetly better and consists of the TI4200, TI4400, and the TI4600. I really dont feel like sharing my opinion and will instead link you to Anandtech:

http://anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1583&p=5
and: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1608&p=1
and: http://anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1643

And yes, I like Anandtech. I going to the same school(NCSU) he goes to and trust his site.

Wow! I did not answer your question! I'm an idiot! I think I'll throw in a few more exclamtion points!!!

Ummm..yeah.

So the answer is that one card is made by Creative Labs and the other is not. Differences would be that some manufacturers have different clock speeds on the cards and they package different software with them.