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Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? First things first, this isn't about the movies, the music is great and TMP was nominated for an Oscar with it's soundtrack by Jerry Goldsmith. But why does the rest of it suck? Now, I think TOS Music is great. But when you look at the rest of it, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, its all... Boring. You can't really listen to much of it out of the show. Its all flat and meaningless. It sounds more like it just to set the mood, no real theme music you find yourself humming without even realising it. The opening music of cause is an exception (apart from ENT). TOS has the best music, its themes have gone on into the movies and TNG. TNG started with some deceant music, but then fell flat. It stopped using the music by Alexander Courage and Jerry Goldsmith. Heres an example. In the final episode of TNG when Picard is in the past, Tasha Yar is approaching the Enterprise in the shuttle craft. When you see the ship instead of hearing the Star Trek fanfare which would have been perfect, you just hear, well nothing to talk about. Now, I can accept that they stopped using it for copyright reasons, but why not replace it? Well, whatever they did, nothing impressive. One thing I hated when I first saw Enterprise, what they do in the title? Did they get a good composer like Jerry Goldsmith to write the music like in Voyager and win an Emmy? No, they used a POP SONG?!?!!! I mean, what the hell??? WHY? Another thing is, why don't they use the title music in the episode. Seems kind of strange to me. In TOS they used to have certain themes that i'm sure everyone can remember. Such as Spock's theme or Kirk's 'love' theme. It was great, all these themes that used to come back in different episodes. In Stargate SG-1 they have great music, orignally it used alot of music from the film but also has some great original pieces. Almost all of it is now done by, guess who, Joel Goldsmith (Jerry Goldsmith's Son). Now, Star Trek, the best Sci-fi show out there (or should be) has music that can't even compare to the music from SG-1. Its crazy, they should get rid of Dennis McCarthey and his friends that all sound exactly the same and never produce music for an episode that stands out or sounds repetetive. Remember the music for Generations? Terrible music, why? Because they used Dennis McCarthy. Of cause all of this is just my opinion. But to break it down... Good: Movies, TOS Bad: TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT |
I agree... I agree that SG-1 has awesome music, and most ST series could use a little more motivation in the music dpt. However, I am actually pleased with the music for Enterprise. "Faith of the Heart" by Rod Stewart is a powerful and inspiring song that reflects what mankind went through to get to the space age as seen in Enterprise. I was actually getting sick of the same-old same-old as far as opening sequences go. DS9 has got to have the best ORIGINAL opening music I have ever heard out of a show. I do feel though, that the music used in Enterprise is an interesting step from the norm. |
I find the music in DS9 is good but the station is not really massive enough to reflect that music.......... the song has a feel that something is massive, powerful and great but DS9 does not par in with those categories........... and by the way, how old r u Chas_2003?? |
all star trek music sucks, but what i hate most is the music that the crew listens to. they all listen to opera, COME ON!! they should at least have some of the crew listening to hard rock or punk or maybe even metel. now that would kick ass!! it would be awesome if the star trek soundtracks were rock!! :rock: |
highly inapropriate......... unless the federation comes out with a radical ship design that suits to the punk and heavy metal style music............ |
Actually... It would be pretty neat if it were rock. But how would you even begin to design music that would be 24th century rock for Wesley to listen to? |
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Anyway, heres a site that has a lot of Trek Music including music from all the series. It used to have it all in both 128kb/s and 24kb/s but they got rid of the 128kb/s versions for some reason. http://www.trekconnection.com This is the best music from each series but even then you can hear some of it is terrible. Enterprise although only has the music from the first episode which has better music than the rest of the series. But really, why don't they have any original themes like in TOS. It would be great but they don't. ENT has Archer's theme but thats really as far as anything goes. |
Well it all comes down to who like which music......... one man's meat is another one poisoon........... |
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Well because this is a TV show, budget is tight.......... good things cost you know............ |
Thats no excuse!!! Don't forget TOS had excellent music and so does SG-1 now. Besides, music is better than special effects. Why do think so many people prefer TOS to the other series' even though its special effects were laughable? |
Actually...... I don't like TOS music........ I don't have the interest for those kind of music, very cheesy.............. no offense though........... |
music, BETTER than FX!! :eek: DUDE!! that is so weak. :n0e: |
Don't forget that the music in TOS lives on in the movies! Even Nemesis had the fanfare from TOS. But seriously, even if you don't like the music in TOS, its still MUCH better than any music in any other series. Look at the others, none of them have had any memerable pieces of music (apart from the title and maybe Archer's Theme in Enterprise). Ok, so you could argue that Archer's theme in Enterprise is good, i'm not saying it isn't. But when its only ONE and TOS had loads or different themes... Well you get the idea. Weather you like it or not, TOS had much more original music that actually stuck in your head wereas everything else in the other series just goes through one ear and out the other. |
Ok watever........... that's your opinion............. |
well i love all star trek music, i really like anything remotly klingon. and i love the voyager battle music in the last few series:love: |
look at it as as the comoser would When You think about it, the music to these things isn't about the notes entirely. If you look at it as the composer would, the music could tell a story or be desicgned to give a certian feel about the show itself. Take voyager's theme for example. Goldsmith wrote it in such a way that kinda sugests mystery or being in search of something. Now think about what the entire "Voyager" series was about. Uhh... Ge they were lost! they were looking for a way home! BINGO! Now DS9 used symbols a lot. Every time one of these symbols "Went Off" screen changed to a different part around the Space station. This kind of suggests a new suprise all over the place. Now think about The DS9 series. There were defenately plenty of suprises. I know. This probaly seems realy :sleep: but hey! I couldn't help but to state my opinion I hope I help some of you out. :cya: |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? If you think about it most music on t.v. for shows suck most of the time any way so what dose it mater? |
I like all the Star Trek music, excluding Enterprise |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? As the previous guy, all theme songs rock but for me the voyager theme kindof sucked, in my opinion. Also my opinion is that the music that they used reflects the age that series is based in. For Enterprise they used a song that had, you can say energy in it which made it uplifting. The other songs which are instramental are more of reflective, majestic, powerful music which symbolizes the magnificance that we've reached. Of course this is what I think, and I don't care what people think about what I think so just shove it up your........... |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? I think generations has one of the best opening themes. DS9 is ok, tng has the best, I especialy like how it starts out, and it has the classic theme carried over from tos. But voyager wasn't that great. And enterprises departure from classical type is a bit odd, though the seem to have enriched the song a bit this season, adding a few extra background tracks/instruments. Captain Gantu, who is the girl in your sig? |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? Hmmm... The fact people are talking about the title themes suggests they don't know what I mean exactly. I DO like the title themes of all of them (except Enterprise). They where going to change it for Season Three but ended up just messing with the original one. Although the credits play Archer's Theme so I guess thats the real title, seeing as its used in the show and the song isn't. But what i'm really talking about is the music in the TV shows themselves. The weird thing is though for TNG, DS9 and Voyager, you rarely hear the main title themes in their full glory. You do here Jerry Goldsmith's theme in TNG quite a bit in the first season or so, but hardly at all in the later seasons. I mean take the last episode when Picard is approaching the Enterprise-D with Tasha Yar in the past, when he first gazes on the ship, it was a perfect to use the main title theme. But guess what? They didn't! I think Dennis McCarthy would have done that episode. Don't ask me why, maybe they have to pay royalties when they do use it, which would explain why the movies stick to using Alexander Courage's theme and not Jerry Goldsmith's as it would probably be cheaper. But with no memorable themes you don't get that uplift you get when they win or the tension and excitment you get in a battle. Music is very important and i'd personally rather see more spent on it that special effects. But really to prove a point, look at Stargate SG-1, the music is great! Not only do they use some of the memorable themes from the film (including the main one) they also have lots of others. You get so much more emotion from the episodes because of this. By the way, most of the music is done by Joel Goldsmith, Jerry Goldsmith's son. Anyway, thats just me ranting again. Sure, I admit its still my opinion. But i'll ask you this question, what do you like more, the music in TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise (excluding the main title themes) or the music in Stargate SG-1? |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? SG-1. All the others (when it's during the episode) we're lucky to get four or five slow notes. |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? Most of the TOS and TNG music sucked (some from VOY as well), but DS9 was so much better! The DS9 overture even won an award, and deserved it 100%. Of course the movie tracks are much better, more budget does it. And Nemesis had some tracks that really suit BC battles... |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? The TOS and TNG Opening themes are the same song. I have the Music Collection of the first 30 years, the Name of the song is the Star Trek Suite and parts of it were fetured as both the TOS and TNG. I happin to like the TOS and TNG theme wich you have to remember was written in the 1960's |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? i like them all exepet TOS which i havent heard scince i was about 2 |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? I quite like all the music from Star Trek :) |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? Heh, this is an old thread, I never saw it before. I agree on some level. The theme music, which I know you're not really referring to, I liked from all but Enterprise. Although I'm not particularly fond of either incarnation of the DS9 theme, it's inkeeping with its stype at least. As for the in-show music, I see what you mean. It gradually got more... flat, as the franchise developed. I noticed it when I was watching Voyager the other day. You can hear the music playing almost the whole length of the show, but I only really noticed it the other day because of how... boring, it is. Even the battle scenes don't get as good music as other series. Although I must disagree that music is more important than visual effects. I would rather see see this advanced technology, and all these mysterious wonders, than I would hear a composer's interpretation of them. You use your eyes far more in day-to-day life than you do your ears. When you have a fantastical dream, do you have music playing? No. I would much rather they try to convey what their imaginative aliens, weapons, places and technologies are like by actually showing you - half the point, I think. Of course music is important, it adds to the mood, but not so much so as the image. |
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As for music, I only listen to classical, jazz and opera so I don't find anything wrong with it. My favorite is the extended version of the Voyager theme that's like six minutes long... |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? I like the music for Star Trek. The song for Enterprise is cool, doesn't sound to me like pop at all but rather easy listening. |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? I don't like the Enterprise song. I prefere Star Trek music to be in the same category. |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? When I first heard it I thought what the heck this is weird, but I reckon its a cool song now :) |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? Perhaps, but it doesn't fit into the Star Trek universe. At least not as the theme song anyway. |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? Though everywhere else, there's nothing wrong with it - well, I don't like it, but have no problem with it - in the Star Trek world, putting that track as the theme tune is just as bad, in my opinion, as putting German heavy metal music as the title. As for the song writers not trying to take a stab at what popular music they may listen to in the 24th century, I may be wrong but McCoy's bar sequence at the beginning of Star Trek 3 had some sort of techno-music playing in the background, didn't it? |
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Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? Heh, that said, in two hundred years time, Britney Spears may only be listened to by 'educated' and 'culturally enlightened' people, and considered a classic artist. *Shudders* |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? That will never happen. Nobody in the future wil have that bad a taste... |
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Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? There is no way to ignore the Opening to the orignal series. Even people who havent seen the show for 20 years (Yes, That long ago!!) can still remember the show just from a few bars on the opening music.... Communist MIND CONTROL!!!! ph34r:eek: |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? you realize this thread was last posted in 7 MONTHS AGO!!!! |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? RemanWarbird, welcome to Gaming Forums, where nobody checks the dates of threads before they post! |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? LOL yeah |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? they did try popular music with enterprise but it just really didn't hit the spot. No good theme music, fact is they pay for that stuff as well. Most of the musically gifted fans could do better! i do think rock music would be appropriate for some parts, particularly the action sequences but the instrumentation is extreemly limited (seriously 160 instruments in an orchestra each with at least 10 different ways of playing, maximum 5-10 in a pop/rock group with around 5-10 different ways of playing them each, can't compare really) I think the best thing is to combine the styles appropriately. and the characters should all be interested in different things. And i think paramount need to stop paying for music that is inappropriate, if it aint gonna win an oscar what's the point? (oscar defines the ability of the music to envoke feeling AS WELL as providing memorable tunes that can be marketed easily.) |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? 'Personally' i like the DS9 & VOY music, TOS is shitty and TNG is ok, but i actually like ENT best (I know it's a soundtrack, but still)! |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? Enterprise instrumentals sucked especially after adding that stupid TOS beat in the background... I always felt they should've done Enterprise like Smallville and tracked some bands to bring the show closer to the 21 century... bands like NickelBACK Aphex Twin System of a down... couldn've done wonders for Trek instead they put 80's music in and the show crashed and burned |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? But the 80's song suits the whole 'Enterprise' Experiance! |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? And reinforces gookdom at the same time... don't get me wrong I kinda liked it but I've moved on from the eighties and discovered far more cooler sounds |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? :rolleyes: I guess everyone has different tastes :p I just like the ENT tune and think it goes well with the intro, however, if were not including theme soundtracks, I'm gonna have to go with DS9 |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? Voyager not only had the best music other than TNG in a serieis it also had the best intro ina sereis... I wanna here Staind with Aaron Lewis Or Metallica SNL Puddle of Mudd Foo Fighters..._There goes my Hero POD Bush...evn though they broke up I mean the eigthies means memories but today the music is emotion... |
Re: Why does Star Trek Television Music Suck? matter of opinion :p |
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