Sovereign vs Enterprise-E

[Dundeekid]

I was having a conversation with a mate of mines and he loves TNG and loves the Enterprise-E. I can respect that he's trying to defend the Enterprise-E and the TNG. He said that the Enterprise-E is bigger than the USS Sovereign and this is what we had to say.

they work all the bugs with the e so are kick your ass 11/06/2009
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LOL haha 11/06/2009
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you think the sovereign never went through it as well? 11/06/2009
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the enterprise e is bigger 11/06/2009
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by 2 ft 11/06/2009
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she was an NX and nnow she is the USS and E cant be bigger than Sov lol they are the praticly the same hight 11/06/2009
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but it still bigger god damit 11/06/2009
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*height 11/06/2009
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no she is longer 11/06/2009
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her warp drive goes out 11/06/2009
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Lol omg never mind. 11/06/2009
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furthur


My name is Charlie by the way and Paul is the blue font since its weird on the logs lol.
Anywhoo....can the USS Sovereign win against the USS Enterprise-E? also can the Sovereign last longer against the E?


Please let me know and thanks.

[Frostt]

In the end it would come down to the commanding officer of the ship. They are both exactly the same. Length, height, weapons, power output etc. Only Difference is crew experience and the like.

[AlDaja]

Same ship…different registries and the Sovereign was the prototype. At any rate, in game (SFCIII) I made the Enterprise “version” a little tougher then the standard Sovereigns BB.

[Danny]

I've moved this thread to the general star trek forum mainly because it doesn't really belong in the bridge commander section

[Aerilon]

I think realistically, the Enterprise-E would stand a better chance (be it not a very sizable one) when compared to the Sovereign. From what we know of Trek (and what we often like to believe) is that the first commissioned ship holds the name of that class. IE, the USS Defiant is a Defiant Class, the USS Galaxy is a Sovereign Class, the USS Intrepid is an Intrepid Class, etc.

Based on that, the Sovereign would have been the prototype, the test bed if you like..? Now, everything that is going to go wrong with the Sovereign Class (within fairness) would have happened to the Sovereign. The purpose of her was to test everything, making sure it was all good for the go-ahead on other ships of her class.

The Enterprise would have came out of dock with all the upgrades, all the gadgets, and all of her problems solved. If you put the Sovereign against the Enterprise upon their respective launches, then the win would go to the Enterprise (the Sovereign may not even have phasers that fire properly).

If you change the setup, so they fight at the same time (same stardate) etc, it'll be a close match, and probably down to the captain yeah. In regards to their size, capabilities etc, that is nonsense. The two ships are practically identical.

PS: you friend sounds like a 5yr old. Does common sense not strike him?

[Yuuki_Minoru]

also Geordie has had more than enough time to fix up the E-E a little.

[Mr. Matt]

Originally Posted by Aerilon

I think realistically, the Enterprise-E would stand a better chance (be it not a very sizable one) when compared to the Sovereign. From what we know of Trek (and what we often like to believe) is that the first commissioned ship holds the name of that class. IE, the USS Defiant is a Defiant Class, the USS Galaxy is a Sovereign Class, the USS Intrepid is an Intrepid Class, etc.

The Enterprise is the godship. The flagship of a now-dead series. The only reason she'd win for certain is due to her crew being the stars of the show. It's the same as the Galaxy-class line - while the Enterprise-D overcame bizarre circumstances and intense battles for years until the script finally decided she should die in battle, her sister ships the USS Yamato and the USS Odyssey perished fairly easily, despite being identical. Of course if any of this were real, then the only deciding factor would be in the experience and talents of their respective crews, as tends to be the case in real-life battles throughout history.

The ships themselves however, so far as we know, are exactly the same.

Based on that, the Sovereign would have been the prototype, the test bed if you like..? Now, everything that is going to go wrong with the Sovereign Class (within fairness) would have happened to the Sovereign. The purpose of her was to test everything, making sure it was all good for the go-ahead on other ships of her class.

The Sovereign was the prototype, was being the key word. Ships generally aren't commissioned and assigned to missions until all of the 'bugs' and 'kinks' are worked out, because putting a crew out into the great unknown in an untested vessel that could very well breakdown at a moment's notice, leaving them stranded lightyears away from support, would be suicidal. While they may have one or two final shakedown cruises even after being commissioned, they generally aren't assigned anywhere until any necessary alterations are completed - and given how old the Sovereign would be by the time of ST: Nemesis, she's no doubt been through all this long, long ago and come out smelling of roses.

If the Sovereign has been commissioned and placed on active duty (and we don't even know for sure if she even exists, let alone if she has been commissioned, for she has never appeared anywhere in canon), you can safely assume that she's been put through more tests than a university student, and has been upgraded/repaired accordingly. She's no more likely to breakdown than the Enterprise. Use the USS Excelsior as an example if you like - despite all the problems she had during development, she was fully-operational and armed for battle by the time of Star Trek VI, and was possibly still in active service even by the TNG/DS9 era.

The Enterprise would have came out of dock with all the upgrades, all the gadgets, and all of her problems solved. If you put the Sovereign against the Enterprise upon their respective launches, then the win would go to the Enterprise (the Sovereign may not even have phasers that fire properly).

Any upgrades the Enterprise has had would no doubt have been placed upon the Sovereign too, possibly first. This isn't a definitive fact, of course, for we know little about Federation refit cycles or the Sovereign herself. The only thing we really have to go on is real life - sometimes ships of the same class may have varying equipment aboard depending upon their mission / refit cycle, despite being largely the same at their core. For example, in the Royal Navy, the Invincible-class light aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal is equipped with three Phalanx CIWS systems, while the HMS Illustrious is fitted with three Goalkeeper CIWS systems instead. Both the same class, but with minor differences as they get older.

With the Federation of course we can never be certain what equipment any particular ship is carrying, as only the godships of the series are really covered in any great detail and even then the inventory tends to change as the script dictates. We can only assume that the Sovereign and the Enterprise are of similar or identical specifications, as this is generally typical of Starfleet ship classes (with notable exceptions). Certainly they are both the same size (even if the Enterprise was a 'few feet longer', I don't see what difference that would really make - your five-year-old suggestion may have been right, Aerilon!), with the same structural configuration and internal layout. Both will likely have the same type of warp core, armaments and shield grid, as we've not seen anything in past Federation ship classes to call those into question.

To cut a long, geeky story short: if Picard commands the Enterprise, the Enterprise would win. If Picard commands the Sovereign, the Sovereign will win.

And as Paramount no doubt plans to let the TNG era, and all the canon that comes with it, rest in peace from now on, neither of them will ever fight anything again.