Following Nemesis

[Aerilon]

For the prospect of this thread, I would like people to forget about the new Star Trek movie. I don't believe that has any place here, in fact, it doesn't. So no need for anyone to bring it up following my post.

To date, we've never had a DS9, VOY or ENT movie, and to be quite honest, I doubt we ever will. Each of those three shows concluded their story, DS9 had the ending of the War, and the 'death' of Sisko, VOY had them arriving home, after crippling the Borg, and ENT had the retirement of the NX-01, and the founding of the Federation.

There isn't really anywhere left for these shows to have gone, though I'm sure if people wanted too, they could have thought up a storyline for one or two of them.

Anyway, the two shows that did allow for something to follow, was TOS, and TNG. TOS started with The Motion Picture, and continued all the way through to Generations (granted I know Generations was more of a TNG movie, but members of the TOS cast were in the movie to start things off, thus, in my opinion, that is their ending point).

In Generations, we saw the death of Kirk, the main figurehead behind TOS. In addition, we know the fates of McCoy (dead), Scotty (Risa)? and Spock (Romulus). TOS has been finished.

TNG however, hasn't. Generations saw the loss of the Enterprise-D, following that, we had three feature films with the Enterprise-E - First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis. In my opinion, they've still got a story to tell and finish.

I know that the Enterprise crew was split by the end of Nemesis. Data died, Riker and Troy moved to the Titan, and Worf probably went back to DS9 or Q'o'nos. We've still got Picard and the Enterprise-E though, and I think we (the Trek fans) should have concluded that story too.

With Abrams' new take on Star Trek, we can pretty much guarantee that everything is going to go through a different line now. There is little to no chance of anything (show, or movie) coming off from the original Trek time line.

The point of this lovely post, is to ask you guys what you'd have done if you could actually 'end' the sega of the next generation storyline. I'd do it with the death (or retirement) of Picard, and the destruction of the Enterprise-E.

Have something along the lines of the Ent-E being attacked and crippled, Riker and the Titan (with a few other ships) go looking for them, find them, rescue the survivors (inc Picard), only for them to come under attack and have the Ent-E destroyed in the firefight. Picard can then count his blessings (so to speak) and decide to settle down on Baku.

Georgie will probably get another commission, as will Beverly. Everyone else has moved on. I'll leave out Data / B4 as we don't officially know what happened there.

[Re4_wesker]

Originally Posted by Aerilon

For the prospect of this thread, I would like people to forget about the new Star Trek movie. I don't believe that has any place here, in fact, it doesn't. So no need for anyone to bring it up following my post.

To date, we've never had a DS9, VOY or ENT movie, and to be quite honest, I doubt we ever will. Each of those three shows concluded their story, DS9 had the ending of the War, and the 'death' of Sisko, VOY had them arriving home, after crippling the Borg, and ENT had the retirement of the NX-01, and the founding of the Federation.

There isn't really anywhere left for these shows to have gone, though I'm sure if people wanted too, they could have thought up a storyline for one or two of them.

Anyway, the two shows that did allow for something to follow, was TOS, and TNG. TOS started with The Motion Picture, and continued all the way through to Generations (granted I know Generations was more of a TNG movie, but members of the TOS cast were in the movie to start things off, thus, in my opinion, that is their ending point).

In Generations, we saw the death of Kirk, the main figurehead behind TOS. In addition, we know the fates of McCoy (dead), Scotty (Risa)? and Spock (Romulus). TOS has been finished.

TNG however, hasn't. Generations saw the loss of the Enterprise-D, following that, we had three feature films with the Enterprise-E - First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis. In my opinion, they've still got a story to tell and finish.

I know that the Enterprise crew was split by the end of Nemesis. Data died, Riker and Troy moved to the Titan, and Worf probably went back to DS9 or Q'o'nos. We've still got Picard and the Enterprise-E though, and I think we (the Trek fans) should have concluded that story too.

With Abrams' new take on Star Trek, we can pretty much guarantee that everything is going to go through a different line now. There is little to no chance of anything (show, or movie) coming off from the original Trek time line.

The point of this lovely post, is to ask you guys what you'd have done if you could actually 'end' the sega of the next generation storyline. I'd do it with the death (or retirement) of Picard, and the destruction of the Enterprise-E.

Have something along the lines of the Ent-E being attacked and crippled, Riker and the Titan (with a few other ships) go looking for them, find them, rescue the survivors (inc Picard), only for them to come under attack and have the Ent-E destroyed in the firefight. Picard can then count his blessings (so to speak) and decide to settle down on Baku.

Georgie will probably get another commission, as will Beverly. Everyone else has moved on. I'll leave out Data / B4 as we don't officially know what happened there.

You should check out this:
Star Trek Online Official Site

Star Trek online (game) takes place long after Nemesis and therefore they have a lot of history to cover in between. They created this for their games timeline. Many fans are accepted this as the continuation as well.

[Monster_user]

Originally Posted by Aerilon

The point of this lovely post, is to ask you guys what you'd have done if you could actually 'end' the sega of the next generation storyline. I'd do it with the death (or retirement) of Picard, and the destruction of the Enterprise-E.

Have something along the lines of the Ent-E being attacked and crippled, Riker and the Titan (with a few other ships) go looking for them, find them, rescue the survivors (inc Picard), only for them to come under attack and have the Ent-E destroyed in the firefight. Picard can then count his blessings (so to speak) and decide to settle down on Baku.

Georgie will probably get another commission, as will Beverly. Everyone else has moved on. I'll leave out Data / B4 as we don't officially know what happened there.

I felt that Nemesis was a decent conclusion. The only thing about it, is that it left the series wide open for a sequel. They new they would be continuing the series, but they did not know which direction, or who the characters were going to be.

I see the events following Nemesis in this manner.

--
Picard has one or two adventures, then finds his tour on the Enterprise-E to be a formality. Following Kirk's advice not to give up his command, he proceeds to hand onto the Enterprise for far longer than he should. Keeping the aging flagship in service for well over 15 years. Finally, having become a laughing stock of the Federation, Picard retires to what is left of his families vineyard. His families lineage dies with him.

--
The Enterprise-E was also decommissioned, and the Enterprise-F takes its place. For a short time, Captain William T. Riker assumes command of the Enterprise-F, before either returning to the Titan, moving into the the Admiralty, or retiring from Starfleet altogether. Riker did learn from is former Captain's mistake, and decided to relinquish command while his record was still strong.

--
Eventually, Laforge gets his own ship, a small experimental platform, via a successor to the Defiant project.

--
Dr. Crusher continues to serve aboard the Enterprise, and eventually marries Picard. Her age prevents her from going on many away missions, however her knowledge and expertise are invaluable. Later she becomes a strong opponent to the inclusion of holographic personnel aboard a starship.

In time, Dr. Crusher's resistance proves to be well founded. As the Federation becomes more dependent upon holographic medical personnel, Progress began to slow to a halt. The later holographic personnel lacked the sophistication, or creativity of Voyager's Dr.

--
B4 turns out to be a Romulan designed replica of Data, and is a spy. His "backstory" was false. The Romulans managed to gain control of Dr Soong's laboratory, and used his equipment to create a replica.

A possible alternative plot decision may have been to retcon the events of Nemesis. So that Data and B4 had switched places. With B4 having been the one to sacrifice himself.

--
Worf returns to Qo'nos. With the efforts of his son he seeks to return the Empire to a point where Science, and Medical, and Educational professions are considered honorable, and of having glory.

--
Wesley Crusher learns of the Temporal Cold wars while traveling. Somehow he manages to get himself into the middle of it. Eventually, towards the end of the war, his meddling leads to the certain star in the Romulan Star Empire getting destroyed.

[Re4_wesker]

Originally Posted by Monster_user

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Wesley Crusher learns of the Temporal Cold wars while traveling. Somehow he manages to get himself into the middle of it. Eventually, towards the end of the war, his meddling leads to the certain star in the Romulan Star Empire getting destroyed.

And the true villain is revealed

they shoulda let that planet punish him with death for falling into a bunch of flowers.

[NCC1017spock]

Well on Star Trek memory bank alpha, they did have a few other ideas for them movie, and one was the Romulan Earth War....

now in ENT, at the end of season 4, before they went striat to the last episode, you could tell that they were really starting to get close to the Romulan Earth War. But, in star trek legacy we can play though the war, how ever the events in legacy take place in 2159, and the last ENT episode takes place in 2160....??

But I though the Romulan Earth War was 2160-2165.......

..... so can anyone help explain this to me?

P.S. In legacy by 2159 the "federation" already seems to have taken shape in some way, and Star Fleet has LOADS of standerized ships..... and in the last ENT episode they still only have a few.... well a few "standarized ones" yes there are alot of them around like that "rag tag" fleet that greeted Enterprise after it saved the planet from the xindi attack (the second one that would blow up the planet?)

so..... yea help explain! :S

[Aerilon]

Originally Posted by Re4_wesker

You should check out this:
Star Trek Online Official Site

Star Trek online (game) takes place long after Nemesis and therefore they have a lot of history to cover in between. They created this for their games timeline. Many fans are accepted this as the continuation as well.

It looks and sounds quite good, although it would be nice if Paramount / StarTrek.com actually came out and said "yeah, this is what is going to happen".

Originally Posted by Monster_user

Picard has one or two adventures, then finds his tour on the Enterprise-E to be a formality. Following Kirk's advice not to give up his command, he proceeds to hand onto the Enterprise for far longer than he should. Keeping the aging flagship in service for well over 15 years. Finally, having become a laughing stock of the Federation, Picard retires to what is left of his families vineyard. His families lineage dies with him.

Here, I'd have him go to Baku. He'd love it there.

Originally Posted by Monster_user

The Enterprise-E was also decommissioned, and the Enterprise-F takes its place. For a short time, Captain William T. Riker assumes command of the Enterprise-F, before either returning to the Titan, moving into the the Admiralty, or retiring from Starfleet altogether. Riker did learn from is former Captain's mistake, and decided to relinquish command while his record was still strong.

I don't think Riker should be in command of the Enterprise-F. Stick with the Titan he should. Give the next Enterprise to someone else.

Everything else fits in nicely, except Beverly / Picard. They had their 'romance', and they're just good friends now. No need to spoil that, and plus, this gives Picard chance to go see his lady friend on Baku.

Originally Posted by Monster_user

Wesley Crusher learns of the Temporal Cold wars while traveling. Somehow he manages to get himself into the middle of it. Eventually, towards the end of the war, his meddling leads to the certain star in the Romulan Star Empire getting destroyed.

This I like the idea of.

Originally Posted by NCC1017spock

now in ENT, at the end of season 4, before they went striat to the last episode, you could tell that they were really starting to get close to the Romulan Earth War. But, in star trek legacy we can play though the war, how ever the events in legacy take place in 2159, and the last ENT episode takes place in 2160....??

But I though the Romulan Earth War was 2160-2165.......

..... so can anyone help explain this to me?

The ST:Legacy storyline can't be considered canon. It is fandom only, so nothing to explain there. It is all different, for it is the storyline of a game.[/QUOTE]

ST Games (ST:Online excluded) can't ever be considered as canon in my opinion.

[Vjeko1701]

People Star Trek XI is not STAR TREK, and I agree with you. But as Spock said there was and alternate suggestion for IX movie. And I think it's not yet dead. Every Star Trek Show mentioned The Romulan wars and they need to make a movie about them. And there was talk about a new TNG movie, I believe that LeVar Burton said something about it. And to conclude we still await for the eleventh Trek movie, be it the Romulan Wars, The Titan, or The new adventures of Picard, and optimistic as always I believe that Star Trek won't die with Nemesis.

[Monster_user]

I hope Picard's story ends with Nemesis. I'm tired of the TNG style Trek. TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, etc.

[Aerilon]

Originally Posted by vjeko1701

People Star Trek XI is not STAR TREK

Sorry, but it is. Did you not see the title?

Originally Posted by vjeko1701

Every Star Trek Show mentioned The Romulan wars and they need to make a movie about them. And there was talk about a new TNG movie, I believe that LeVar Burton said something about it. And to conclude we still await for the eleventh Trek movie, be it the Romulan Wars, The Titan, or The new adventures of Picard, and optimistic as always I believe that Star Trek won't die with Nemesis.

I think they need to finish the Picard storyline off. There isn't really a need to go on to the Titan, as Riker and the USS Titan aren't movie material. The USS Enterprise is.

They either need to have the Ent-E decomissioned or destroyed, if nothing else, it'll 'close' the whole TNG movies, and bring them to an end. I doubt though, that we'll see another one. I really do think Nemesis is the last TNG movie we're going to see, and that everything from this point on, will focus on the new timeline.

PS: The Romulan War was before the Founding of the Federation. Star Trek XI was set after the founding of the Federation. Unless there are plans to do yet another sequel, there will be no Romulan War movie.

[086goinfast]

Originally Posted by Aerilon

Unless there are plans to do yet another sequel, there will be no Romulan War movie.

Its been stated a few times recently that the next two movies set after ST09(not STXI! noone has called it that for months lol) may or may not be connected.