ST: Enterprise - ST: XI vs Star Trek

[Aerilon]

Regardless of whether the Enterprise show was liked or disliked by you, I'd like to discuss in which universe the Enterprise show took place. There are three possibilities.

1) The Enterprise show was something that happened before TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY - along with all the movies we've seen. Since the origin of Star Trek, we've never (in any movie, show or otherwise) heard about the the starship Enterprise and the reign of Captain Archer, all except the Enterprise Final which featured Riker and Troy in the holodeck, though I am more than capable of erasing this episode from my mind.

2) The Enterprise show was something that happened before ST: XI. I am more inclined to go with this theory, as it would explain why the Xindi / Suliban etc have never appeared in any other show since, and there wasn't really any need to include either in this new XI movie.

3) The Enterprise show was in a completely different universe, and was not apart of ST: XI, or TOS through too DS9. This (in my opinion) would seem a bit pointless, if it is going to fit in anywhere, it may as well be with one of the two above options. Having it as a stand-alone show does seem kind of lame, and wouldn't tie in to any other Trek shows at all.

Timeline wise, it would thus be a pointless show.

Anyway, I'd like to know where you guys think Enterprise should be, and why you think such.

[Anlushac11]

Just like a river that branches off into tributaries when Nero came back he created a new split in the time line from that point forward.

Abrams is now under no obligation to keep to anything canon or previously established. He has in effect dropped a crust buster nuke on the planet that was the repository of all things Star Trek and can now do as he pleases.

If he wants Klingons to be purple skinned with big clown noses "Hey its a alternate universe."

[Monster_user]

I actually think that [Star Trek] Enterprise was supposed to be a "reboot" of the franchise.

I believe it takes place in an alternate time line, which developed following the Borg attack on Montana in 2063. Understanding the danger out in space, the Starfleet space program took a slightly different turn. In the end, much of what we knew as Canon, remained largely unchanged.

Going back to an earlier time when there was less "continuity" to worry about, and thus more room to write. More room to be creative. Unfortunately, that proved difficult.

That, and their choices seemed ridiculous, they had a "transporter", but not a "tractor beam"? The technology of Enterprise advanced far to rapidly. Then the time travel plot with the Xindi set the series off on the wrong foot.

[Yuuki_Minoru]

I think the whole series was one big blunder after another.

Its set in the cannon time line before ST:TOS, but the technology was 'tweaked' to seem more 'sci-fi' for the younger audiences.
(they did this again in the new movie, but to extremes)

also, what was up with the opening theme song? killed the series or what?

[NCC1017spock]

Originally Posted by Aerilon

2) The Enterprise show was something that happened before ST: XI. I am more inclined to go with this theory, as it would explain why the Xindi / Suliban etc have never appeared in any other show since, and there wasn't really any need to include either in this new XI movie.

Well this is was all do the temporal cold war (that got way to complacted for most fans to follow, really killing the show off) and then everyting got "reset" at the end of "storm front 1 & 2".... .... so that may explain alot of, it not all of why no one knows what happened during that time... and why alot if may not have happened...?

[Shuttlebay 2]

I think Enterprise would have been a huge fail if the writers actually followed Trek canon. I mean, nothing really interesting would have happened then; Klingon First contact was officially later, and as said before, the presence of the Suliban and the Xindi and a lot of other stuff would not have been incorporated into the show, which would have left nothing.
I think Enterprise would be a fail if they stuck to canon and I like what it has become. I think it kinda works if you see it as a prequel to ST XI.
But that's just my opinion

[NCC1017spock]

Yea, there would not have been much to tell, and at the same time, alot of the things that happened in ENT to add up to what we see later on in ST.

[Monster_user]

Well, with "Enterprise", you would have had the early Federation starships acting on their own, and making first contact with the founding members of the United Federation of Planets.

You would also have the Earth-Romulan war. Most of the hostile aliens would be faceless.

Railguns, plasma cannons, and other temperamental weapons systems. Not to mention more traditional weapons technologies.

[Aerilon]

Originally Posted by Stargazor_001

I mean, nothing really interesting would have happened then; Klingon First contact was officially later, and as said before, the presence of the Suliban and the Xindi and a lot of other stuff would not have been incorporated into the show, which would have left nothing.

Originally Posted by Monster_user

You would also have the Earth-Romulan war. Most of the hostile aliens would be faceless.

ST:Enterprise should have been an entire show based within the Earth-Romulan War. Most of the show should have been about that, instead of the Xindi. They could have put a few other episodes in there for canon sake, but what they done, was to introduce a whole new set of species, that we're never going to come to face with again.