Star Trek XI Ship Scaling

[Bs|Archaon]

Originally Posted by Aerilon

I don't understand why it would make sense for the new Enterprise to have a crew of 2500.

Who said anything about 2,500? I just said it's probably more than 800. I mentioned the 1,500 crew of the Galaxy class because you asked whether it makes sense for the new Consitution to be longer than the Galaxy. Although I may have over-stated that, 1,500 was from memory the Galaxy may well take less or more than that.

You also have to remember that technology generally gets smaller as time goes on. Despite the technology on a Galaxy class being considerably more advanced, overall it probably needs less space than the outdated technology on a Constitution. Hence the warp core vs massive engineering area, and if you think back to TOS the old engineering room was also quite large. Even though the areas where the engineering crew went were quite small, the actual warp core (assuming that it is a primitive warp core and not something else) is huge.

Spoiler:

As well as being huge you might notice a lot of pipe-like objects, such as the one Scotty is working on, the ones that look like support beams but could be pipes, and there's a shedload in the 'core' in the background. Granted it doesn't look like a sanitation plant like the new one, but I can see where they got the inspiration from.

Now a modern warp core takes up a few decks, but on-screen I'd say they're roughly a few meters diameter, so it's still relatively compact compared to the warp core shown there. Just an example that bigger isn't always better, and that newer ships could probably carry the same amount of crew in a smaller chassis than previous designs. If anything I'd say the Intrepid is an exception to the rule, since that class is specifically designed to need less crew and is also a testbed for bio-neural circuitry and all kinds of other shiny things, so I suspect that is the opposite and actually has a lot of space taken up by the technology rather than the crew. Though saying that, from what we see on-screen they're not exactly utilitarian inside, there's a hell of a lot of space compared to what there would be on a similarly sized Consitution considering that the Intrepid has about 1/3 of the crew complement.



While I assumed that the Enterprise is larger and has a larger crew complement than the Kelvin, I guess Monster is right that it doesn't have to be bigger than the flagship. I guess it's possible that as a survey ship the Kelvin could actually be a large ship outfitted for...well...surveys, with a large capacity of shuttles and a lot of scientific/survery staff. They'd still be counted as part of the crew but not necessary for running the ship itself; if that's true and the Enterprise doesn't have such a large complement of 'sciency stuff', then it's possible that the more powerful flagship needs less crew than a survey vessel. It would probably require more to operate, but I suppose that doesn't mean more in total.

[Yuuki_Minoru]

I think its encridibly hard to compare their sizes due to:

A) all external shots of the ship were fast, shaky, and bloom-y.
B) the new movie has no Trek-tech-based information in it.

thus I conclude that the new movie is non-cannon, and comparing it to anything, including itself, is fruitless.

=P

[NCC1017spock]

In the movie, the Enterprise dwarf's the galaxy class big time! O_O I'd say this enterrpise is easily twice the size of the galaxy class, remember during the movie, when the shuttle leaves the Enterprise shuttle bay? And Kirk and Sulu jump out, and down to vulcan? When you see the shuttle leave, there are racks of shuttles there, like rows 5 or 6 high of shuttles....

O_O the people who made this movie did a great job from an entertaiment point of view, but a made a nightmare from a cannon/logistic's and mathmatic's point of view..... O_O

[Aerilon]

I don't think this new Enterprise is twice the size of a Galaxy class, though it wouldn't suprise me if the new Enterprise IS the size of your typical Galaxy Class. Does make you wonder though, firstly why various parts of the ship (windows mainly) appear to be the same as your typical Constitution, and what they're going to do if Abrams' gets onto TNG ships. They're going to end up with Cubes the size of Planets.

[NCC1017spock]

most likly.... and that tiny kevlin class ship, and a huge fleet of shuttles, enough to e-vac a wophing size crew of 800.....

"Your father was captin of a ship for (12-15?) minutes, he saved the lives of all 800 people on board including yours."

-capitan pike.....

so yea, huge ships, huge crews, seem to be how JJ works. My god, that star base we saw around earth? O_O Must have had thousands apon thousands on that....

[Jetfreak]

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lol, I just noticed how NCCSpocks' and Ash's sigs look so aestherically similar.

[Aerilon]

Originally Posted by NCC1017spock

"Your father was captin of a ship for (12-15?) minutes, he saved the lives of all 800 people on board including yours."

so yea, huge ships, huge crews, seem to be how JJ works.

Either these ships were stupidly sized, or they were crammed full of crewmen.

Originally Posted by NCC1017spock

My god, that star base we saw around earth? O_O Must have had thousands apon thousands on that....

Not quite that bad. If you think how big the Space Dock is from TNG, and then you think a Galaxy Class can fit through the doors... There would have to be at least one million people on a TNG Space Dock.

Originally Posted by Jetfreak

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lol, I just noticed how NCCSpocks' and Ash's sigs look so aestherically similar.

I made his signature for him.

[NCC1017spock]

yea, and sorry about tghat new sig I asked for, some things of come up....

..... you guys head over the the "guys and feelings" thread in the pub section. I need help now more then ever.... (check my last post)

[086goinfast]

Well, a snap together model of the new Enterprise is coming out in 2010 and it will be 11.5 inches at 1:2500th scale. And if the sales numbers for this one are good they will do a 28.5 inch 1:1000th scale. Also the Polar lights 1701-A will be "about" 11 inches long at 1:1000th scale. This supports the length that ILM released of 2,357 feet(718 plus meters)...interesting.

[Konrad9]

Originally Posted by 086goinfast

Well, a snap together model of the new Enterprise is coming out in 2010 and it will be 11.5 inches at 1:2500th scale. And if the sales numbers for this one are good they will do a 28.5 inch 1:1000th scale. Also the Polar lights 1701-A will be "about" 11 inches long at 1:1000th scale. This supports the length that ILM released of 2,357 feet(718 plus meters)...interesting.

Whiiiich meshes with what the people who built the digital model have said.

And if I'm going to believe ANYONE, I'm going to believe the people who *literally* built the model.