Star Trek XI Stinks (Spoilers)

[MrFancypants]

Originally Posted by Bs|Archaon

Only thing I didn't really like was the skydive onto the drill scene.

The idea and the visual effects were good, but the complete disregard for physics in that scene had a few people in the audience muttering (but then again I watched the movie in an audience that consisted mostly of mechanical engineering students).

[Monster_user]

A complete disregard?

Supposedly, Orbital Skydiving is a popular sport in the Star Trek universe.

Orbital skydiving - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

So, logically, they would be able to design a suit that does not heat up during re-entry, and a 'chute technology which works in thinner atmosphere.

[IcePure]

I've never been much or a Star Trex fan, I used to watch it as a kid but nothing really 'got me really into it'. I went to see it at the IMax here in Birmingham (massive Hd screen) simply to go out with some friends, not expecting at all to like the movie.

It was nothing short of epic in my opinion.

It might be an alternate reality, but there's not much that ends up being alternate; Vulcan ( a new planet) is getting colonised, Spock and Kirk and everyone end up on the same ship with the correct hierarchy - why can't the rest of the 'real' timeline happen from this ending?

Maybe I don't see it because I'm not as passionate about Star Trek, but two of my friends who are fans of it bigtime said they absolutely loved it too.

[Uwsar-Hat-Anupuw]

Spoiler:

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[MrFancypants]

Originally Posted by Monster_user

A complete disregard?

Supposedly, Orbital Skydiving is a popular sport in the Star Trek universe.

Orbital skydiving - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

So, logically, they would be able to design a suit that does not heat up during re-entry, and a 'chute technology which works in thinner atmosphere.

A spaceship or shuttle that is in orbit doesn't usually sit at one point, it moves very quickly around a planet. In order to reduce the altitude of your orbit you'll need to slow down. You'll encounter a lot of friction and g-forces during that process.

You may be able to deal with this heat with some sort of Star Trek technology, but the heat should still be there and visible. I didn't see any wonderous technology and I didn't see any heat, so this scene didn't strike me as very plausible, no matter what your wiki says.

You also need to be able to control your movement in some way, especially if you're trying to hit a small target.

[wjlasloThe2nd]

I liked the movie overall. I thought the acting and lines could be a LITTLE better. The plot was far out but believable. Since I've always been more Star Wars than Star Trek, this was a good intro - it's a lot like Lord of the Rings, where you feel that if you just turned the camera a few degrees to the left, you wouldn't see bluescreens but more ST universe. The sparse mentions of the Klingons and other cultures make it really feel like this is only a small part of the Star Trek story.

[Re4_wesker]

Originally Posted by weyoun782

1. The remodeled enterprise looks dumb. why not just stick with the original design?

2. The dialogue wasn't so good compared to other star treks, where they would quote famous pieces of works in literature, and just the overall dialogue was really dumbed down.

3. Destroy vulcan? nuff said.

4. The narada looked really stupid.

5. Engineering looked like an oil refinery, why?!

6. The actors were annoying trying to be like the original cast, seriously, none of the original members could be replaced. The guy that played spock annoyed me the most.

7. Spock displays emotions? c'mon.

8. the weaponary looked more like star wars. no phasers or photon torpedos? it was all lasers and rockets for crying out loud.

9. Why would spock eject kirk from the enterprise? and then he so happens to find future spock on this ice planet? So many plot holes.

Well I can just go on and on, I will not see another trek movie with abrams at the helm, it was just terrible, I went into seeing the movie with an open mind, but I could not accept what I saw, it is not my star trek that I have loved and cherrished for years growing up. They made it more like star wars, I like both, star trek more so, but keep them separate.

I just felt so empty after seeing it.

YouTube - Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country - Teaser Trailer

^ to me that is real trek, watch the little clip.

I am so mad right now

Spoiler:

1. Already answered (it's outdated). Keeping the original would just look bad to the none trekkie viewers out there.

2. I suppose in ways it was dumbed down. However, this one was meant to re introduce trek. If anything maybe some quotes would work for the next one now that the base is set up.

3. Vulcan's destruction was needed. How else would they define a huge difference between this timeline and the other? Blow up earth? no cuz you and others would still freak. so ya i feel it was needed.

4. The Narada was not the minning vessel it once was. In the prequel comic (Star Trek Countdown) it looked like this: http://www.startrekdb.se/astrometri/bilder/hobus.jpg

After Romulus blew up the had a massive refit (i mean massive) which made it look like this:http://img.trekmovie.com/images/comics/ente_narada.jpg

The refitted version was created using a hybrid between Romulan and (of course) borg technology. That's why it doesnt have the overall design that previous romulan ships had and thats why it was so powerful (it was even powerful in its era after the refit).

5. Well.... i don't have much of an answer regarding engineering. Whatever they did here i suppose was to make it look more engineering like... again though idk.

6. I thought the actors were great. Would you rather have them not act like the original actors at all. If they didn't you would just make a big deal out of that.

7. This is a younger version of Spock. Logic dictates (lol) that the younger Spock would not have as much control over his emotions then the older one. This is not a sequel it's a loose prequel (loose because it's a parralel timeline).

8. Weaponry was great. Seriously this is not a big deal. phasers and torpedoes were still there.

9.Why not? seriously Spock's planet just blew up and a person (who by all means shouldn't be there) won't shut up and do what he's told. Then, when spock goes as far as to relieve him, he beats up security.

As for the ice planet think of it like this. Nero wanted Spock to be on a planet where he could view vulcans destruction and then die a terrible death in the cold. then this era's spock decided to drop Kirk off on the closest planet because he couldn't stand him anymore.

[Monster_user]

Indeed, logic Dictates that Spock would have less control over his emotions, prior to Star Trek IV, and the Kolinaru [sp?].

However, logic dictates that Spock would have more control than he does now. Perhaps puberty would have been a troublesome time, but once it was over, Spock should have gained more control, due to the mount required to control emotions during a Vulcan puberty.

Originally Posted by MrFancypants

A spaceship or shuttle that is in orbit doesn't usually sit at one point, it moves very quickly around a planet. In order to reduce the altitude of your orbit you'll need to slow down. You'll encounter a lot of friction and g-forces during that process.

Which would also be obvious to Nero, tipping him off that something is up.

Originally Posted by MrFancypants

You may be able to deal with this heat with some sort of Star Trek technology, but the heat should still be there and visible. I didn't see any wonderous technology and I didn't see any heat, so this scene didn't strike me as very plausible, no matter what your wiki says.

You also need to be able to control your movement in some way, especially if you're trying to hit a small target.

Well, the controlling movement part, perhaps the suits had ailerons, or thrusters?

As for the heat, I had considered a Zero-Friction suit, but without friction, the divers would travel at an increased velocity.

[Anlushac11]

I just went and saw it today.

Spoiler:

I hated the new design when I first saw it and I finally figured out why when seeing it alot on screen. The engine nacelles look to big for the ship. I have accepted it and like it more.

I do agree with main engineering. I kept thinking where the hell is all this room coming from? Have the Feds invented TARDIS technology? Bigger on the inside than the outside? I kept speculating that there was enough room to have set the Enterprise itself into main engineering. That area was HUUUUGEEEE!!!!, especially when you see that the Shuttle Bay looked like it took up most of the engineering hull.

Ironically the three other Fed ships I saw, the Kelvin and the one that was in front of the Enterprise and to its front right when they warped to Vulcan, and the four nacelle design I thought looked awesome. I have been trying to find more data on those ships but have not found anything yet.

If the movie had added just a line or two of dialogue explaining about the Narada's technology then I would have been more ready to accept it. Overall I think the Narada design sucked ass because it did not look Romulan. I did wonder during the movie if a Romulan mining vessel, what appeared to be a civilian industrial ship and not a warship, even with roughly about 130 year technology leap could take down a Federation warship. I would have been much more impressed by a updated warp capable Romulan Warbird.

When the Enterprise warped into the Task Force wreckage around Vulcan I was depressed knowing Uhura's large breasted little green skinned Orion buddy was killed aboard the Farragut. Then again they never checked for survivors.

I actually was impressed that the actors went to the lengths they did to get mannerisms and speech inflections down pretty darn close. Watching Chris Pike play James T Kirk and watching some of the way he said things and the hand gestures and body movement I can remember Kirk moving and talking just like that. It was impressive and creepy at the same time.

I thought Zachery Quintos did a excellent job as Spock. Spock has struggled all his life with his conflicting human and Vulcan sides. As shown on TV and the movies Vulcans are not without emotions, in fact without proper training they are very emotional. The thing is they spend their entire lives meditating and training to build mental discipline to suppress emotions.

I was really shocked when Vulcan was destroyed and Spock's mother died. I kept wondering how they were going to pull a rabbit out the hat miracle save and it didnt happen.

The Enterprise did fire photon torpedoes. Only time I saw them clearly was when Kirk ordered the Klingon Warbirds destroyed in the Kobiyashi Maru scenario and at the end when Enterprise opened up on the Narada. With the Narada battle at the end you see them come out of the launcher, they use the classic sound from the movies and they were whitish blue not red.

My biggest complaint with the movie was the production seemed weird, kinda like Cloverfield but not as bad. I saw the movie on a Imax screen and in some scenes the Enterprise didnt even completely fit on the screen.

Favorite scene was probably at end when Enterprise pops out of warp and opens up with phasers to take out all the missiles heading towards Spocks ship.

As for poetry Spock quoted Sherlock Holmes IIRC "... when you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

And why set Spock on a ice planet or moon? "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

I am actually looking forward to seeing what future movies will bring. Just please go no more time travel and lets do a movie or two with some enemy besides the Klingons. Lets see some Gorn, Tholians, real Romulans, Breen, etc.

[086goinfast]

I guess im the only one here that visits trekmovie.com at all. As I said in the other thread reading the Countdown comic helps. Ofcourse the Narada after its transformation into what it is in the movie isn't Romulan. It was covered with retro-fitted borg tech to suit Romulan designs being held in a secret Romulan facility(The Vault) after the Hobus Star(not Romulus Star) goes boom.