What Voyager Lacked

[Admiral Antilles]

Sisko, even with this argument you gave, how do you explain the Intrepid being able to stand up to Borg Cubes, and lots of those Delta Quadrant species, that were far superior to her?

It has the strongest phasers in the fleet (this is explicitly stated), and it is the largest ship. The largest ship has the largest warp core, the largest warp core has the most power meaning stronger shields and phaser output.

First, yes, it may have HAD the strongest phasers in the fleet, but the Galaxy is outdated, and the Intrepid is far newer and most likely smaller phasers with the same amount of power.

And as for the Warp core sizeower thing, Look at modern Devices, such as computers, They used to be massive, and have about 1/8th of the the capabilite of current computers. It would go teh same as Warp Cores, the new the technology, the more advanced and smaller, so technically, a Intrepid core can be as powerfully as a Galaxy, as the Galaxy is old, and its engine bigger and old, by the time the Intrpeid was designed, they could have developed new and better was to make a warpcore of the same power as the Galaxy, with smaller tech.

[Aerilon]

Originally Posted by Admiral_Antilles

Sisko, even with this argument you gave, how do you explain the Intrepid being able to stand up to Borg Cubes, and lots of those Delta Quadrant species, that were far superior to her?

I think it is best I don't comment on that flaw. No ship, however powerful should be able to stand up to a Borg Cube on her own.

Originally Posted by Admiral_Antilles

First, yes, it may have HAD the strongest phasers in the fleet, but the Galaxy is outdated, and the Intrepid is far newer and most likely smaller phasers with the same amount of power.

I wouldn't rule the Galaxy out just yet. Look at DS9, Sacrifice of Angels, three Phaser shots from a Galaxy nearly blew a Galor apart. I doubt an intrepid could dish out that kind of power.

Originally Posted by Admiral_Antilles

It would go teh same as Warp Cores, the new the technology, the more advanced and smaller, so technically, a Intrepid core can be as powerfully as a Galaxy, as the Galaxy is old, and its engine bigger and old, by the time the Intrpeid was designed, they could have developed new and better was to make a warpcore of the same power as the Galaxy, with smaller tech.

The Galaxy is somewhat the pride of the Federation. If they refitted the Miranda Class to fight in the War, it makes sense to assume that the Galaxy Class (a vessel which is far from having had her time) would still be well up their with the newer ships, in terms of technology. She'd have been refitted, granted not with everything the newer ships have (such as gell packs), but in regard to other systems.

If we're going to have the Galaxy vs Intrepid debate, we first need to ask a different question. Are we pitting the USS Enterprise-D (of her time) against the newer Intrepid, or, are we pitting the Galaxy Class of the 24th Century against an Intrepid, of equal launch date?

[Fyurii]

Originally Posted by Transmission

If we're going to have the Galaxy vs Intrepid debate, we first need to ask a different question. Are we pitting the USS Enterprise-D (of her time) against the newer Intrepid, or, are we pitting the Galaxy Class of the 24th Century against an Intrepid, of equal launch date?

Which is the best question asked yet.

Generally, people view the one ship that is the "feature" of each class and series, as opposed to the generic ship-type of each class.
-TNG = Enterprise-D, Galaxy Class that most likely hadn't received the refits of other ships of its class before its destruction.
-Voyager = Voyager, Intrepid Class that was deployed in the same year as the Enterprise-D was destroyed.

Something Sisko18 said bothers me though....
About a Defiant Class vessel not being able to stand up to a Galaxy Class.
IIRC, there was something about that in another thread about a year or so ago.
The general consensus was that a standard Defiant Class could go toe-to-toe with a Galaxy Class, and more than hold its own.

[Ari Gold]

i have the answer,

galaxy =

a big computer and powerful for it's age... it's huge!


intrepid=


smaller, faster, and powerful! it has duo core for piet sake!

[Aerilon]

:lol: I can't ever go by that comparison, never. Its just too different. Let me put the answer (of the question) another way, just to set everything straight, then we can actually get back on track to the original point of this thread.

If we had a Galaxy Class, and an Intrepid Class that were both launched at th same time, on the same day, on the same week, on the same month, in the same year (etc etc), and they had all their respective technologies, and they then went to fight each other, the Galaxy would ultimately win.

[Ari Gold]

permission to open the uss voyager thread!!!!!

If we had a Galaxy Class, and an Intrepid Class that were both launched at th same time, on the same day, on the same week, on the same month, in the same year (etc etc), and they had all their respective technologies, and they then went to fight each other, the Galaxy would ultimately win.

even the same minute?

you must realize, take it for example, you have a sea, two shipyards, one constructs a big vessel armed with flakguns, big guns
the other constructs a smaller vessel, twice the size smaller! but extremely fast compared to the big one. weapons? actually quite a lot, not as strong but still a lot. What do you think ? the big slow vessel armed with strong weapons but actually a sitting duck because it can't manoeuvre out the projectiles, or the small fast ship that is armed with quite a lot of guns and that is able to fire from all angles as wel and has a 50 to 70% chance of outmanoeuvring the projectiles?

:lol: I can't ever go by that comparison, never. Its just too different

your right, the one is a desktop..

galaxy:

intrepid:

[Aerilon]

Originally Posted by Sovereign001

permission to open the uss voyager thread!!!!!

Permission Denied.

Originally Posted by Sovereign001

even the same minute?

Yes, the very same second even.

In regard to what you said about build times and such, I wasn't looking too deep into that. I was just saying that if we had a brand new Galaxy just out of drydock, and it went up against a brand new Intrepid, that was also just out of drydock, you can kiss the Intrepid goodbye.

If you want, I can go into the Voyager thread and re-quote what was sent to me via StarTrek.com, clearly stating that the Galaxy would win?

Originally Posted by Sovereign001

your right, the one is a desktop..

You are missing the point.

[Ari Gold]

Permission Denied.

damn it, the maquis is the only way then.

You are missing the point.

no i don't, just wanna make it funny. but actually, we are discussing a history that never happened.. the new star trek reboots everything, voy, enterprise d, picard, never existed!!!

[Aerilon]

Originally Posted by Sovereign001

damn it, the maquis is the only way then.

Originally Posted by Sovereign001

no i don't, just wanna make it funny. but actually, we are discussing a history that never happened.. the new star trek reboots everything, voy, enterprise d, picard, never existed!!!

:lol: We've technically got three Trek timelines now.

We've got the TOS - VOY one, then we've got the ENT one, and now we've got this other TOS one. Its mad, all been blown out of proportion.

[Ari Gold]

it's time to put star trek in some new boxershorts!