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Borg vs alien infestation Ok here's the deal: A borg cube has technical problems on a scout mission, it crashes on a nearby planet. It has no comunications and no hope for backup, the cube is not repairable and nothing except lifesupport works. And then they are discovered by a nest of aliens that had crashed earlier on the same planet. There are no lifeforms on the planet except for some animals. The aliens have a queen, 35 facehuggers, 60 eggs, 55 warriors, 40 predaliens (not replaceble), 10 praectorians and about 50 drones and can make new aliens(runners and drones) with the animals on the planet. The cube has lost some drones but lets say they still have about 5000 drones left, maybe less. Who wins???? |
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Re: Borg vs alien infestation Aliens by a long shot, Borg don't have the reflexes, agility or speed of an alien, they can't even bend over. Walking alien incubators. Borg wouldn't stand a chance, they'd never get their hands on one. Although an assimilated Praetorian would be quite a sight :p |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation Well the borg, would be able to set a perimeter of shields and forcefields and maybe automatic weapons to defend. If they survive the first wave, and they see its a strong alien they are going to assimalate it and if that works sorry aliens are gone!! |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation but what Borg is going to be able to actually get the Warriors in the first place, they won't be nearly quick enough to assimilate one, and it's doubtful they would assimilate such lifeforms anyway. And if we've learned anything, Xenomorphs are more than capable of methodical thinking and shield grids NEVER work, they always hang out and wait for a power failure (good luck for the Borg finding enough power in the first place), or cause one. Not to mention I doubt Borg could take down a Praetorian outright anyway, they'd never get their tubiles in and any wrist disruptors they have left wouldn't do the trick. And their little disruptors may be effective against warriors or drones, but the Borg don't have the speed and reflexes to hit them. |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation They have maybe a special reserve battery and i think they cannot be used as a host! Cybernetic issue! But if they assilimate they can use the annimal and ugrade it with borg armor or something like that. |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation Borg have organic tissue, so long as the borg's organic components are fueled, cybernetically or no, nutrients are still obsorbed by the chestburster, food-based or no. Borg are VERY capable of being hosts to our little sharp-teethed friends. And no, the Borg do not assimilate lesser life-forms, only life who's mental capacity is high enough to add to the collective, not be detrimental to the hive mind. Don't know if you're refering to the indigenous lifeforms since you said animals or if you mean the xenomorphs, but the aliens have more of a collective consciousness (much like the Borg in many respects), lead by the queen, I doubt a single, uncontrolled Warrior would be much use to the Borg in analytical abilities as its only concerns are to survive, feed, and live on as a species, no knowledge of use to the Borg. Long-story short: Borg are Xeno-chow :D |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation the borg, never underestimate the power of the collective. a cube-full drones is more than enough to get the aliens. |
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Anyway, Borg can be hosts for aliens, and the Borg can assimilate the aliens. If the Borg cannot assimilate (nanoprobes might not function properly in acid), or will not assimilate, then they'll scan for these critters, and (having adaptive weapon technology) freeze them in a holding beam and blast them. The Borg aren't too swift (even though they are tough, clever, and resiliant), so most Borg would probably be killed. |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation "what the Borg can't assimilate they can't understand" If they we're that smart they wouldn't have needed Voyager ;) |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation Well everything was better than be destroyed! |
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The Borg can adapt technology in themselves and from other Borg for other purposes, so I'd think they'd have the advantage, and would win eventually, but over half would probably get munched (too slow on the draw). |
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Re: Borg vs alien infestation wrong they can!! in season 1 of tng, "the naked now" wesley crusher had a small device that was a tractor beam and that was in the year 2361 or something like that but it was constructed by a young guy of 15 years and if the borg make something like that then wow it is strong!! |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation Even than, the aliens are too fast to get hit by the tractor beam except if it has a wide area and thats even more difficult. And even if they do get an alien in one of those tractors, the drone just gets attacked by a second one in the back or side while its being busy with the first one before it can be killed or asimilated (if that is even possible). |
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Only question is, like you say, whether the aliens would be too fast for them--but the Borg are part machine, compensating for physical sluggishness...they could set up a few sentinels with auto-scan for a given area, then as an alien comes within range, automatically engage a wide holding beam (since there will be lots of them) to freeze the critters for blasting. --Excuse my lack of tech-babble :p |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation lol, this is starting to sound a whole lot like what they did in 'Aliens' with the sentries :lol: http://www.gurpsmaster.de/sentry01.jpg ah, great movie :D . . . that plan didn't work all that great tho :\ in that situation it ended up being the aliens who adapted, so I believe they could more than match the Borg in any way, including their inherant ability to adapt to an empending situation and tear their enemies apart |
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Re: Borg vs alien infestation Well the will make a new type borg drone i think but the chances are great that the collective had heard the sos and that there is a new cube circling the planet but thats not irrevelant. The would set special automatic cannons everywhere with forcefields, cascade forcefields maybe but remember dont borg have KE shielding? But dont compare aliens to species 8472!! |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation Well, some good points; the aliens aren't dumb clucks--they can reason...but how many aliens got wasted in that Sentry Turret O Death before they really caught on that it was futile and tried another route? Mihail is right, though--if the aliens infest the cube, it's game over, man..."game over." |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation Yeah in that movie i think really more then 20!!! But remember we have a lot of drones!! ANd in elite force 2 we have a borg boss but its not really cannon. but in unimatrix zero, we saw trees flying at a borg and it smashed the borg into peaces but the second time a borg drone was looking with its lasers through booby traps and saw them, soo the borg will adape it too. In DS9 we had special beams to track a founder, but it was a wide beam, do the borg would place them everywhere!! Phasers at maximum settings and boom vaporising the xeno. But if a drone is dead and a facehuggers comes at, the nanoprobes would be able do destroy then the creatures inside the borg drone?! |
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And looking for traps is not relevant here as there are no traps just really fast aliens and borg have no fasers (correct me if im wrong) they have only disrupters and those cant be set to wide beam (correct me if wrong again). |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation yes, xenomorphs do NOT set up traps as such so there is no relevance there. Aliens DO, however, set ambushes, and they are very good at it (the ambush in Alien Resurrection was one of the best :p ) And disruptors even on wide beam (which is stupid) would still require a sweeping to hit a target unless you;ve got 180 degree coverage which would again, just be stupid, and an alien is good at evading both side-to-side as well as above-below the beam. Even if you set a perimeter the aliens would either evade and get through it, or quickly find a way to come in for the attack above or below their target. Not to mention aliens do have spitters by the way (again, Resurrection), they don't have to be able to touch you (tho they'd prefer to), they'll just splash you with acid. And, once again, nanoprobes CANNOT be of any help agains xenoes |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation So...since nobody answers anymore it seems that the aliens have won. heil the them:bows: :bows: :bows: mhahaha:lol: |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation I KNEW IT! Aliens always win . . . unless Predator or Sigourny Weaver is involved :p |
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Re: Borg vs alien infestation I think the Borg are perfectly capable of surviving this, just by repairing a section of the cube wreckage and closing it off; I don't see how hard it is to imagine them adapting technology to make auto-tracking disrupters to defend themselves, placing shields to close off access points, and modifying holding beams to activate whenever something moves down a corridor. And they could grow themselves a queen. And the Borg queen would sit down with the Xenomorph queen, perhaps over tea and biscuts, and work out a Treaty. :smokin: Seriously, I think the initial statement is slightly flawed, IMO--how could the Borg not be able to fix their own ship? We've seen them repair their technology time and time again. Using their narley collective powers, they could fix anything. |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation Acidic blood once killed they will melt through the floor creating new places for the aliens to go, they obvisouly cannot be "Assimilated" for that reason, and even if the borg tried to "make them pets" it would be a remake of what happened to the race that created the aliens(space jocky) they were wiped out only thing left was the aliens in hibernation, aliens are the perfect thinking weapon. |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation Hmmm. I'm not even sure what sort of material the Borg uses for its ships--if it would be acid-resistant or not. Or if the Borg could (or would) strengthen it somehow. I do know that acid can't penetrate shields, though. They'd have to rely on many strategically placed shields to survive the waves of aliens trying to get in. |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation Exactly nordivcs, cannot say it better. |
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Re: Borg vs alien infestation for the record, the mighty Yautja only used one thing to protect against alien blood, and that was the xenomorph's own bones, not to mention the Borg would never get a sample of the blood to study to figure these things out, it's gone almost instantly, burns straight down (I just wanna see a Borg do that desisitigrati thingy that happened to the first guy in Aliens to get splashed with the xeno-blood :evilgrin: As for shields, the xenos are VERY good at taking those out (or of getting over/under them as I've said, shielding stops at ground level, horrible sideeffect of 'em). Long story short, Xenomorphs pwn Borg all out! and if the Space Jockeys couldn't handle 'em . . . . |
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Re: Borg vs alien infestation Erm, yeah the Borg would be interested in assimilating xenomorphs. First, consider the message broadcast by the Borg during the battle in 'First Contact' -- a key passage being "We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own". It was only in 'Q Who?' that the Borg were interested entirely in technology. The writers then expanded that to incorporate biological components. The fact that the Borg merge the organic with the synthetic is a clear indication that they are interested in both, if they do indeed wish to become 'perfect'. And the Alien is an amazing lifeform, for something that doesn't exist anyway. They are regarded as the 'perfect [organic] killing machine' by all who encounter them, Predator and human alike. If it weren't for their dependence on hosts in their reproduction process they may well be unstoppable. Xenomorphs are incredibly adaptive to the elements, they have extremely resilient bodies and can quite easily go without food for prolonged periods of time. Their natural strength, agility and reflexes are impressive, as are their natural defences, but their most impressive defence is their acidic blood. Can you imagine a Borg drone with the strength and speed of a xenomorph, which spills deadly acid everywhere if you kill it? Xenoborg has a nice ring to it, I think. Whether or not the Borg could actually assimilate one is another matter, though. I think if they could stay alive long enough they might manage to do so, but only if they had the support of the Collective to figure out how. I think the biggest problem would be getting their nanoprobes to actually enter the bloodstream of an Alien without disintegrating -- that stuff can melt through starship hulls, so I can't see a nanoprobe being of much use. They might be able to adapt somehow after a few attempts. But if they were separated from the Collective, I doubt it. I'm sure they'd give it a go though. As for being used as hosts, I don't think their nanoprobes would tolerate that. They'd probably either attempt to assimilate the foreign tissue, or destroy it out-right. Either way could be disastrous for both host and child. A more pressing question would be -- would the xenomorphs actually bother to attack the Borg at all? A lot of people seem to think that xenomorphs hunt via pheromones primarily -- after all, you don't see any eyes on their heads. Seeing as the Borg seem to remove things from organic bodies which are either pointless or could be done better with technology, I doubt a Borg drone has the glands to give off pheremones. |
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Then what is the point of this thread? It's like, "If there's a big gun pointed at your forehead and someone pulled the trigger, would you survive?" I just assumed this was a fair debate on who would win an evenly matched contest based on the organisms' strengths and weaknesses--if the games already rigged ("even if they can be placed aliens will find a way through them, they always do"), it doesn't mean you won the debate; it means you cheated from the beginning. Why isn't there enough energy? What's preventing the Borg from reparing their vessel, at least other systems? What's stopping them from contacting the Collective? How can an alien go through a forcefield? Quote:
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Good point. The aliens would have to kill the Borg and not attempt empregnation--in First Contact, the Borg were outside in space, modifying the main deflector to send a signal to the Collective...this indicates that (A) they don't breathe oxygen and (B) have a technologically adapted structure to resist the vacuum of space. Obviously, then, they couldn't be rendered unconscious for the empregnation process, which would render the facehuggers useless; the Borg would simply rip them off their faces and spill acid in the process, injuring or killing the Borg who was attacked. So, simply minus 35 from the 5,000 Borg to be generous--assuming that not one could survive and acid spray from a facehugger's death. That still leaves 4,065 and no possibility of the xenomorphs able to reproduce, other than their Queen laying mor eggs (which will never reach adulthood). I do think, however, that the aliens would still attack the Borg--it is not known how the aliens really hunt...phermones, yes, but we've also seen them respond to motion, especially threatening gestures from humans and preds. Against the Predator, the aliens were able to anticipate attacks, and when Ripley fought the Queen, it was able to duck from the swings of the powerloader. So, it's safe to presume they do sense something visually. And they must eat--the Borg would be food. The main question is: if the Borg want to assimilate the aliens, how would they go about it? |
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Re: Borg vs alien infestation Mr. Matt, reread our posts, we never indicated that the Borg wouldn't try based on technology, our arguemnt was that the xenoes run off of solely the desire to feed, and the desire to reproduce, neither of which is of particular use to the Borg, they have no ability to contimplate beyond that, when was the last time you say a Xeno philosopher? Survive and reproduce, that's all they know, Borg assimilate not on how impressing your physical abilities are, but on how developed and complex your brain is in order to bring perfection. Look at the Kazon, physcially they're similar to the Klingons and FAR superior in physical form to terrans, but the Borg deamed them unworthy of assimilation due to their lack of actual thinking rather than just shooting, and as a result havn't developed any knowledge the Borg need (where as Klingons have more impressive weaponry, cloaking instead of masking circuitry, and are far more quick in battle, Kazon are just kinda there). Xenoes have no desire to learn the mysteries of the universe, they havn't amassed a vast knowledge, they havn't anything useful to the Borg. And yes, I do believe that the Xenoes use both a combination of Pharamones and some type of sonar as well, that seems the most reasonable And guys, the Borg aren't their only form of reproduction here, they also have the indiginous life (as listed in the first post) so the Xenoes DO still have a means of reproduction, even while I still believe that they could still make hosts out of the Borg, the tissue just grows too quickly for the Borg to control or detect until it's too late, and even if they somehow eliminated the little muncher inside them OOPS now theirs a tub of acid eating your insides! (which come to think of it would royally suck by the way). And also it is intirely plausable to say that the Borg breathe oxygen, that's how their tissue survives, and their provided the oxygen through a combination of oxygen scrubbing components and their ability to seal in atmosphere with their shielding technology (similar to a shuttle bay forcefield that allows shuttles to exit and anything to pass through that needs to, but still maintains pressure and atmosphere inside the shield, otherwise the Borg woud most likely explode in a very nice way) |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation Borg search for perfection. If they were only interested in the mental side of organics, they'd simply remove the brain, dump the body, and put the brain into a wholly robotic shell. If you want to be perfect, you want both physical and mental perfection. And philosophers are great. Really. As are scientists, historians and the like. But society as we know it would have crumbled long ago without warriors. Xenomorph's primitive but effective style of 'hunting' could revolutionise Borg boarding methods. As it stands, Borg drones are slow, and they don't appear to have much in the way of individual combat capabilities when their technology lets them down. That is the only reason the Federation is ever capable of defending against them -- the drones are stupid, and when their technology fails them, they're unbelievably easy to dispatch. Think if those drones were speedy, stealthy, deadly, and terrifying -- more so even than a mutated humanoid. Imagine a Borg drone that could drop from the ceiling and assimilate multiple humans before they had time to react, and then disappear back into the ceiling again. Imagine a drone that could scurry up walls. And imagine a drone having all this plus adaptive shielding etc. Even if their shielding failed for whatever reason, unlike normal drones who just stand around waiting to be shot, they'd be up the wall, dodging fire, and so they'd still be effective. The Borg'd be daft not to assimilate them. It'd save them heaps of time assimilating ships and even planets if they replaced those slow, lumbering drones with xenoborgs. And that is another thing the Borg love -- efficiency. Besides, there's some debate as to how intelligent xenomorphs actually are. Just because they lack technology of their own, that doesn't mean that they are incapable of cognitive thought. They often show traits which are certainly not consistent with mindless animals, both on the screen and in the pages of the books. They learn surprisingly quickly, they communicate, and if you watch them in battle sometimes they almost appear to have co-ordinated battle strategies, with feints and diversions and the like. And no mindless animal would have thought of breaking out of a cell in a method as ingenious as that used by the drones in the forth movie. Humans were also uneducated and lacking technology at one point in time, remember. Yet it is believed by some scientists that if you were to abduct a 'cavechild' and raise it as a modern child, it would be just as capable as a modern human on every level. The same could be true of xenomorphs; they simply haven't advanced their technology. They don't really need to, really, considering how formidable they are naturally... |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation I know xenomorphs are probably quite intelligent, hence their analytical abilities, it's just that they really only care about the two things I mentioned earlier. And as for the enhanced Borg drones, that is an intruiging concept, although the Borg would need more than simply a Biological "upgrade" to do so. As is the Borg have spinal clamps that hinder their movement significantly, they are absolutely incapable of bending over (seriously, I'd see the Borg "I've fallen and can't get up" senario). This technique of spinal clamping gives the drone a signifantly increased strength capacity, but at a price; they now have almost no agility, swiftness, speed, or any form of range of motion from their spinal columns. The species they've already assimilated are capable of hunting and are ruthless warriors, it's just that they now have absolutely no physical means to do so because of their hindering technology, so a new biological component will do them absolute nothing until they figure out "oh, wait, if we'd just take this piece out . . . . " |
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The Borg are well aware that individual species are flawed, and far from perfect. They seem to think that merging the best aspects of all species together into one species will get them closer to perfection. And xenomorphs certainly have some physical, if not mental traits that could help them get there. As for them messing up the xenomorphs with too much technology... well, I can't be held responsible for how stupid the Collective is :D. |
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Re: Borg vs alien infestation Not really in a style that's compatible with the Borg's idea of perfection, though. :uhm: |
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I had put off the energy so that the borg could not repair theur ship or just shoot fasers at the aliens from the ship not to cheat but to make it a more equal fight i know that borg would win when they have energy but they i would call hiding between shields winnin would you?? Quote:
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They can lay eggs in drones (as i just said above) and still there are animals on the planet so they can still reproduce even without drones. Sorry if im so late but i was away a while |
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Okay, so you're saying that if they could repair their ship, it wouldn't be a fair fight? Well, then it is reasonable--a healthy cube could easily deal with the aliens on the surface. (I like an in-space scenario better, though--the Borg bring up a couple dozen aliens and put them in stasis, and of course they escape...but, anyway, just thinking out loud.) Quote:
We've seen Borg survive crashes (bad ones) before, and get separated from the Collective. Thing is, the Borg are so modular, they can rig up temporary power generators if they had to--not to fix the ship, because I agree that for the sake of argument, that wouldn't be fair, but--for getting necessary systems operational and back online. Quote:
Okay. So there would still be facehuggers, which couldn't really empregnate any Borg, but they could probably kill each Borg they latch onto...the Borg would rip it off and spray itself with acid. Interesting discussion, Mr. Matt and Steakboy. The question is whether or not the Borg would be interested in finding out; they don't know a species very well except through assimilation and by getting attacked by it. Obviously the Xenomorphs would attack them, so the Borg would begin adapting. I think the Borg would be certainly interested in assimilating (or trying to assimilate) the Xenomorphs. Which leads to how they could do it. The Borg are smart and can adapt--but can they adapt their nanoprobes to infect the aliens' acidic blood? I think they could, if they survived long enough. I don't think it's too hard to provide a base for acid and neutralize it; but this may not even be necessary--couldn't the Borg, who are apparently experts in nanotechnology, simply have the nanoprobes adjusted with tiny shields? Or better, something like Teflon (which is what humans use to handle strong acid) armour? Now that I think of it, they should be able to cover parts of the drones with some sort of Teflon-like armor... |
Re: Borg vs alien infestation And where or how would they make somthing like that armor??? I dont think they just 'happen' to have strong armor on board to equip their drones with just because some aliens would attack them with their tales ;) |
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Re: Borg vs alien infestation yes but would that microscopic cell modification do a lot of good against alien acid or just alien claws?? |
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