Borg vs alien infestation

[Mr. Matt]

Borg search for perfection. If they were only interested in the mental side of organics, they'd simply remove the brain, dump the body, and put the brain into a wholly robotic shell. If you want to be perfect, you want both physical and mental perfection.

And philosophers are great. Really. As are scientists, historians and the like. But society as we know it would have crumbled long ago without warriors. Xenomorph's primitive but effective style of 'hunting' could revolutionise Borg boarding methods. As it stands, Borg drones are slow, and they don't appear to have much in the way of individual combat capabilities when their technology lets them down. That is the only reason the Federation is ever capable of defending against them -- the drones are stupid, and when their technology fails them, they're unbelievably easy to dispatch.

Think if those drones were speedy, stealthy, deadly, and terrifying -- more so even than a mutated humanoid. Imagine a Borg drone that could drop from the ceiling and assimilate multiple humans before they had time to react, and then disappear back into the ceiling again. Imagine a drone that could scurry up walls. And imagine a drone having all this plus adaptive shielding etc. Even if their shielding failed for whatever reason, unlike normal drones who just stand around waiting to be shot, they'd be up the wall, dodging fire, and so they'd still be effective.

The Borg'd be daft not to assimilate them. It'd save them heaps of time assimilating ships and even planets if they replaced those slow, lumbering drones with xenoborgs. And that is another thing the Borg love -- efficiency.

Besides, there's some debate as to how intelligent xenomorphs actually are. Just because they lack technology of their own, that doesn't mean that they are incapable of cognitive thought. They often show traits which are certainly not consistent with mindless animals, both on the screen and in the pages of the books. They learn surprisingly quickly, they communicate, and if you watch them in battle sometimes they almost appear to have co-ordinated battle strategies, with feints and diversions and the like. And no mindless animal would have thought of breaking out of a cell in a method as ingenious as that used by the drones in the forth movie.
Humans were also uneducated and lacking technology at one point in time, remember. Yet it is believed by some scientists that if you were to abduct a 'cavechild' and raise it as a modern child, it would be just as capable as a modern human on every level. The same could be true of xenomorphs; they simply haven't advanced their technology. They don't really need to, really, considering how formidable they are naturally...

[Steakboy]

I know xenomorphs are probably quite intelligent, hence their analytical abilities, it's just that they really only care about the two things I mentioned earlier.

And as for the enhanced Borg drones, that is an intruiging concept, although the Borg would need more than simply a Biological "upgrade" to do so. As is the Borg have spinal clamps that hinder their movement significantly, they are absolutely incapable of bending over (seriously, I'd see the Borg "I've fallen and can't get up" senario). This technique of spinal clamping gives the drone a signifantly increased strength capacity, but at a price; they now have almost no agility, swiftness, speed, or any form of range of motion from their spinal columns.

The species they've already assimilated are capable of hunting and are ruthless warriors, it's just that they now have absolutely no physical means to do so because of their hindering technology, so a new biological component will do them absolute nothing until they figure out "oh, wait, if we'd just take this piece out . . . . "

[Mr. Matt]

Originally Posted by Steakboy

I know xenomorphs are probably quite intelligent, hence their analytical abilities, it's just that they really only care about the two things I mentioned earlier.

I don't think that the motives of the species in question is of much concern to the Borg. After all, humans have repeatedly demonstrated to them that they have no desire to become part of a collective consciousness and rampage around the universe in search of perfection, yet the Borg keep trying to assimilate them anyway.

The Borg are well aware that individual species are flawed, and far from perfect. They seem to think that merging the best aspects of all species together into one species will get them closer to perfection. And xenomorphs certainly have some physical, if not mental traits that could help them get there.

As for them messing up the xenomorphs with too much technology... well, I can't be held responsible for how stupid the Collective is .

[Steakboy]

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

Ihumans have repeatedly demonstrated to them that they have no desire to become part of a collective consciousness and rampage around the universe in search of perfection, yet the Borg keep trying to assimilate them anyway.

on the contrary, man kind is on a continual pursuit to better themselves, and the rest of humanity, it's what sets us apart and gievs us the edge. Morally, emotially, spiritually; always adapting, always striving toward perfection.

[Mr. Matt]

Not really in a style that's compatible with the Borg's idea of perfection, though.

[Sovereign002]

Originally Posted by Nordicvs

Then what is the point of this thread? It's like, "If there's a big gun pointed at your forehead and someone pulled the trigger, would you survive?"

I just assumed this was a fair debate on who would win an evenly matched contest based on the organisms' strengths and weaknesses--if the games already rigged ("even if they can be placed aliens will find a way through them, they always do"), it doesn't mean you won the debate; it means you cheated from the beginning.

Why isn't there enough energy? What's preventing the Borg from reparing their vessel, at least other systems? What's stopping them from contacting the Collective? How can an alien go through a forcefield?

I had put off the energy so that the borg could not repair theur ship or just shoot fasers at the aliens from the ship not to cheat but to make it a more equal fight i know that borg would win when they have energy but they i would call hiding between shields winnin would you??

Obviously, then, they couldn't be rendered unconscious for the empregnation process, which would render the facehuggers useless; the Borg would simply rip them off their faces and spill acid in the process, injuring or killing the Borg who was attacked. So, simply minus 35 from the 5,000 Borg to be generous--assuming that not one could survive and acid spray from a facehugger's death.

They cant be rendered unconsious but that doesnt mean that they cant be temporaly be inactif by system failure thanks to to much damage.

That still leaves 4,065 and no possibility of the xenomorphs able to reproduce, other than their Queen laying mor eggs (which will never reach adulthood).

I do think, however, that the aliens would still attack the Borg--it is not known how the aliens really hunt...phermones, yes, but we've also seen them respond to motion, especially threatening gestures from humans and preds.

They can lay eggs in drones (as i just said above) and still there are animals on the planet so they can still reproduce even without drones.
Sorry if im so late but i was away a while

[Nordicvs]

Originally Posted by sovereign002

I had put off the energy so that the borg could not repair theur ship or just shoot fasers at the aliens from the ship not to cheat but to make it a more equal fight i know that borg would win when they have energy but they i would call hiding between shields winnin would you??

Okay, so you're saying that if they could repair their ship, it wouldn't be a fair fight? Well, then it is reasonable--a healthy cube could easily deal with the aliens on the surface. (I like an in-space scenario better, though--the Borg bring up a couple dozen aliens and put them in stasis, and of course they escape...but, anyway, just thinking out loud.)

They cant be rendered unconsious but that doesnt mean that they cant be temporaly be inactif by system failure thanks to to much damage.

We've seen Borg survive crashes (bad ones) before, and get separated from the Collective. Thing is, the Borg are so modular, they can rig up temporary power generators if they had to--not to fix the ship, because I agree that for the sake of argument, that wouldn't be fair, but--for getting necessary systems operational and back online.

They can lay eggs in drones (as i just said above) and still there are animals on the planet so they can still reproduce even without drones.

Sorry if im so late but i was away a while

Okay. So there would still be facehuggers, which couldn't really empregnate any Borg, but they could probably kill each Borg they latch onto...the Borg would rip it off and spray itself with acid.

Interesting discussion, Mr. Matt and Steakboy. The question is whether or not the Borg would be interested in finding out; they don't know a species very well except through assimilation and by getting attacked by it. Obviously the Xenomorphs would attack them, so the Borg would begin adapting. I think the Borg would be certainly interested in assimilating (or trying to assimilate) the Xenomorphs.

Which leads to how they could do it. The Borg are smart and can adapt--but can they adapt their nanoprobes to infect the aliens' acidic blood? I think they could, if they survived long enough. I don't think it's too hard to provide a base for acid and neutralize it; but this may not even be necessary--couldn't the Borg, who are apparently experts in nanotechnology, simply have the nanoprobes adjusted with tiny shields? Or better, something like Teflon (which is what humans use to handle strong acid) armour?

Now that I think of it, they should be able to cover parts of the drones with some sort of Teflon-like armor...

[Sovereign002]

And where or how would they make somthing like that armor???
I dont think they just 'happen' to have strong armor on board to equip their drones with just because some aliens would attack them with their tales

[Nordicvs]

Originally Posted by sovereign002

And where or how would they make somthing like that armor???
I dont think they just 'happen' to have strong armor on board to equip their drones with just because some aliens would attack them with their tales

Why couldn't they make it? Adapt it from materials they have. They're good at adapting, and they're great at repairing stuff; and they can employ nanoprobes which can add technology to cells, changing them at a microscopic level...inorganic matter is easier to deal with than organic matter.

[Sovereign002]

yes but would that microscopic cell modification do a lot of good against alien acid or just alien claws??