Borg vs alien infestation

[Nordicvs]

Hmmm. I'm not even sure what sort of material the Borg uses for its ships--if it would be acid-resistant or not. Or if the Borg could (or would) strengthen it somehow.

I do know that acid can't penetrate shields, though. They'd have to rely on many strategically placed shields to survive the waves of aliens trying to get in.

[Stark98]

Exactly nordivcs, cannot say it better.

[Mihail]

if it would be acid-resistant or not. Or if the Borg could (or would) strengthen it somehow.

If that's the case, we don't know how acidic it is, or even if it's acid at all

I do know that acid can't penetrate shields, though. They'd have to rely on many strategically placed shields to survive the waves of aliens trying to get in.

Thousands of shield placements, so many infact I doubt they could keep it secure, then again that's if borg are even aware of what's going before it's too late.

[Steakboy]

for the record, the mighty Yautja only used one thing to protect against alien blood, and that was the xenomorph's own bones, not to mention the Borg would never get a sample of the blood to study to figure these things out, it's gone almost instantly, burns straight down (I just wanna see a Borg do that desisitigrati thingy that happened to the first guy in Aliens to get splashed with the xeno-blood

As for shields, the xenos are VERY good at taking those out (or of getting over/under them as I've said, shielding stops at ground level, horrible sideeffect of 'em). Long story short, Xenomorphs pwn Borg all out!

and if the Space Jockeys couldn't handle 'em . . . .

[Sovereign002]

Originally Posted by Nordicvs

Hmmm. I'm not even sure what sort of material the Borg uses for its ships--if it would be acid-resistant or not. Or if the Borg could (or would) strengthen it somehow.

I do know that acid can't penetrate shields, though. They'd have to rely on many strategically placed shields to survive the waves of aliens trying to get in.

As i said before there isnt enougn enery for that amount of shielding, wich have to be thousands as Mihail said so stop talking about them for even if they can be placed aliens will find a way through them, they always do....

[Mr. Matt]

Erm, yeah the Borg would be interested in assimilating xenomorphs.

First, consider the message broadcast by the Borg during the battle in 'First Contact' -- a key passage being "We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own". It was only in 'Q Who?' that the Borg were interested entirely in technology. The writers then expanded that to incorporate biological components. The fact that the Borg merge the organic with the synthetic is a clear indication that they are interested in both, if they do indeed wish to become 'perfect'.

And the Alien is an amazing lifeform, for something that doesn't exist anyway. They are regarded as the 'perfect [organic] killing machine' by all who encounter them, Predator and human alike. If it weren't for their dependence on hosts in their reproduction process they may well be unstoppable.

Xenomorphs are incredibly adaptive to the elements, they have extremely resilient bodies and can quite easily go without food for prolonged periods of time. Their natural strength, agility and reflexes are impressive, as are their natural defences, but their most impressive defence is their acidic blood.

Can you imagine a Borg drone with the strength and speed of a xenomorph, which spills deadly acid everywhere if you kill it? Xenoborg has a nice ring to it, I think.

Whether or not the Borg could actually assimilate one is another matter, though. I think if they could stay alive long enough they might manage to do so, but only if they had the support of the Collective to figure out how. I think the biggest problem would be getting their nanoprobes to actually enter the bloodstream of an Alien without disintegrating -- that stuff can melt through starship hulls, so I can't see a nanoprobe being of much use. They might be able to adapt somehow after a few attempts. But if they were separated from the Collective, I doubt it. I'm sure they'd give it a go though.

As for being used as hosts, I don't think their nanoprobes would tolerate that. They'd probably either attempt to assimilate the foreign tissue, or destroy it out-right. Either way could be disastrous for both host and child.

A more pressing question would be -- would the xenomorphs actually bother to attack the Borg at all? A lot of people seem to think that xenomorphs hunt via pheromones primarily -- after all, you don't see any eyes on their heads. Seeing as the Borg seem to remove things from organic bodies which are either pointless or could be done better with technology, I doubt a Borg drone has the glands to give off pheremones.

[Nordicvs]

Originally Posted by soveriegn

As i said before there isnt enougn enery for that amount of shielding, wich have to be thousands as Mihail said so stop talking about them for even if they can be placed aliens will find a way through them, they always do....

Then what is the point of this thread? It's like, "If there's a big gun pointed at your forehead and someone pulled the trigger, would you survive?"

I just assumed this was a fair debate on who would win an evenly matched contest based on the organisms' strengths and weaknesses--if the games already rigged ("even if they can be placed aliens will find a way through them, they always do"), it doesn't mean you won the debate; it means you cheated from the beginning.

Why isn't there enough energy? What's preventing the Borg from reparing their vessel, at least other systems? What's stopping them from contacting the Collective? How can an alien go through a forcefield?

Originally Posted by MrMatt

As for being used as hosts, I don't think their nanoprobes would tolerate that. They'd probably either attempt to assimilate the foreign tissue, or destroy it out-right. Either way could be disastrous for both host and child.

Originally Posted by MrMatt

A more pressing question would be -- would the xenomorphs actually bother to attack the Borg at all? A lot of people seem to think that xenomorphs hunt via pheromones primarily -- after all, you don't see any eyes on their heads. Seeing as the Borg seem to remove things from organic bodies which are either pointless or could be done better with technology, I doubt a Borg drone has the glands to give off pheremones.

Good point. The aliens would have to kill the Borg and not attempt empregnation--in First Contact, the Borg were outside in space, modifying the main deflector to send a signal to the Collective...this indicates that (A) they don't breathe oxygen and (B) have a technologically adapted structure to resist the vacuum of space.

Obviously, then, they couldn't be rendered unconscious for the empregnation process, which would render the facehuggers useless; the Borg would simply rip them off their faces and spill acid in the process, injuring or killing the Borg who was attacked. So, simply minus 35 from the 5,000 Borg to be generous--assuming that not one could survive and acid spray from a facehugger's death.


That still leaves 4,065 and no possibility of the xenomorphs able to reproduce, other than their Queen laying mor eggs (which will never reach adulthood).
I do think, however, that the aliens would still attack the Borg--it is not known how the aliens really hunt...phermones, yes, but we've also seen them respond to motion, especially threatening gestures from humans and preds.


Against the Predator, the aliens were able to anticipate attacks, and when Ripley fought the Queen, it was able to duck from the swings of the powerloader. So, it's safe to presume they do sense something visually. And they must eat--the Borg would be food.

The main question is: if the Borg want to assimilate the aliens, how would they go about it?

[Mr. Matt]

Originally Posted by Nordicvs

That still leaves 4,065 and no possibility of the xenomorphs able to reproduce, other than their Queen laying mor eggs (which will never reach adulthood).
I do think, however, that the aliens would still attack the Borg--it is not known how the aliens really hunt...phermones, yes, but we've also seen them respond to motion, especially threatening gestures from humans and preds.


Against the Predator, the aliens were able to anticipate attacks, and when Ripley fought the Queen, it was able to duck from the swings of the powerloader. So, it's safe to presume they do sense something visually. And they must eat--the Borg would be food.

I'm of the opinion that they combine pheromones with some form of seriously sophisticated sonar, and that is why their heads are shaped... like... well, black bananas. If it was sensitive enough they could probably sense movement, and unless you were moving faster than the speed of sound their superior reflexes would allow them to dodge. I don't see how they could see visually, as they don't seem to have any eyes. Unless their species 'sees' in another way we don't know about.

[Nordicvs]

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

I'm of the opinion that they combine pheromones with some form of seriously sophisticated sonar, and that is why their heads are shaped... like... well, black bananas. If it was sensitive enough they could probably sense movement, and unless you were moving faster than the speed of sound their superior reflexes would allow them to dodge. I don't see how they could see visually, as they don't seem to have any eyes. Unless their species 'sees' in another way we don't know about.

Perhaps they might. Animals with no eyes, or eyes with bad vision, which we know of here usually employ other methods--echo location, infrared, accute sense of smell, or even sensing movement, as you mention. Maybe they have one or more of these.

[Steakboy]

Mr. Matt, reread our posts, we never indicated that the Borg wouldn't try based on technology, our arguemnt was that the xenoes run off of solely the desire to feed, and the desire to reproduce, neither of which is of particular use to the Borg, they have no ability to contimplate beyond that, when was the last time you say a Xeno philosopher? Survive and reproduce, that's all they know, Borg assimilate not on how impressing your physical abilities are, but on how developed and complex your brain is in order to bring perfection. Look at the Kazon, physcially they're similar to the Klingons and FAR superior in physical form to terrans, but the Borg deamed them unworthy of assimilation due to their lack of actual thinking rather than just shooting, and as a result havn't developed any knowledge the Borg need (where as Klingons have more impressive weaponry, cloaking instead of masking circuitry, and are far more quick in battle, Kazon are just kinda there).

Xenoes have no desire to learn the mysteries of the universe, they havn't amassed a vast knowledge, they havn't anything useful to the Borg.

And yes, I do believe that the Xenoes use both a combination of Pharamones and some type of sonar as well, that seems the most reasonable

And guys, the Borg aren't their only form of reproduction here, they also have the indiginous life (as listed in the first post) so the Xenoes DO still have a means of reproduction, even while I still believe that they could still make hosts out of the Borg, the tissue just grows too quickly for the Borg to control or detect until it's too late, and even if they somehow eliminated the little muncher inside them OOPS now theirs a tub of acid eating your insides! (which come to think of it would royally suck by the way).

And also it is intirely plausable to say that the Borg breathe oxygen, that's how their tissue survives, and their provided the oxygen through a combination of oxygen scrubbing components and their ability to seal in atmosphere with their shielding technology (similar to a shuttle bay forcefield that allows shuttles to exit and anything to pass through that needs to, but still maintains pressure and atmosphere inside the shield, otherwise the Borg woud most likely explode in a very nice way)