Jedi Philosophy
 

I understand the concept, though I may not be thoroughly convinced by it. Jedi are supposed to be servants to the general population, selflessly aiding the galaxy. The problem with love entering this equation is that the Jedi's priorities shift from selflessly helping others, to considering the needs of one individual, and from there selfishness can enter in.

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Whilst I understand that, the Jedi Order can't automatically assume that you're going to turn into a completely selfish person just because you're in love with a single person.

I understand my duties as a Jedi come first and foremost, so I would ensure I would never be put in that situation. BUT hypothetically speaking if I had to choose between saving 10,000,000 people, or saving the one woman I love, I would save the 10,000,000 FIRST and THEN attempt to save her if I can, because I understand that my duties always come first.

Else I'll pull a Spider-Man and save Mary-Jane AND the kids at the same time cause I'm a beast like that. :nodding:

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Your emotions would be different at the time. Right now it's easy to say you'd save the 10,000,000 first, and put your love second. Problem is, you aren't under any stress to do so, so you can think more clearly.

Personally I'd go for my love, because if I'm a Jedi who has done countless selfless deeds beforehand, I've earned the right to be selfish. =p

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Ha! And here I am, getting a bunch of 'light side' points so I can romance my apprentice. She's way too cute! :naughty:

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I much prefer Luke Skywalker's Grand Mastery over the Jedi Order. He took a wife, Mara Jade, and he seemed to get along just fine.

Now granted, I haven't read every book in the works of the Expanded Universe (though I am working on it), so I'm sure I'm missing a few details. But by 40 ABY, he seems to be doing just fine in dealing with having a spouse and being a Jedi.

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Ehh... I can see where the Jedi philosophy can say that love leads to fear, and so on. Makes perfect sense. For all intensive purposes, people in love are clinically insane (myself included), and therefore are without the presence of mind to fully serve the Republic.

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Squisitor or Sith Warrior?

I concur. I've always mentioned that Luke's New Order allowed for love and families and all that, I've always agreed with it. I haven't read every book either, but I do know Luke had a few treads towards the dark side a few times, but to my knowledge it never had to do would love.

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From the "What book are you currently reading?" thread...

I 100% agree with this statement. Granted, it was made by "the bad guy", Palpatine, but it just makes sense. It is this very statement that convinced me that if I were in the Star Wars universe, I would be a Gray. Walking no line but my own; neither good, nor evil.

Discuss.

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I'm strongly considering taking my Jedi Guardian neutral. I've already taken darkside options because I don't particularly see them as evil. We'll see how that works out...

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I've discovered that dark doesn't necessarily mean evil. The best case of this I can think of is the Mando Raiders Flashpoint, with the missiles. You can launch them at an empty moon (light side) or you can launch them at an orbiting Imperial fleet (dark side).

Now since Imperials are enemies, its not really an evil thing to do, but its not the Jedi was to do things because there was a possible way to avert all death. :rolleyes:

This is why I would more than likely be a gray Jedi.... I feel like eradication of Imperials is justice.

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Cademimu... not Mando Raiders... Mando Raiders is when you decide to either capture the enemy engineers or vent them out the airlock. :lulz:

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Oh yeah.... well THAT one is defintely evil. :nodding:

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Throughout history, the "Bad guys" have more realistic views of the world. Even Hitler had some good ideas, and some also not so good ones. =p Which is why I find the Sith so much more attractive, they're realists, sadists too, but realists at their core.

Many of the dark options are evil or greedy, but some of them shouldn't be considered evil... I was on my Imperial Agent yesterday, doing one of the missions in the Grathan Estate on Dromund Kaas. It was the one where the soldiers were transfused with droids, apparently the light side option was putting them out of their misery (or something like that), and the dark side one was sending them back to their commander. WTF? Killing them in cold blood hardly seemed like a good thing to do, and maybe if I took them back to their commander the process could be reversed. Eh, some things just don't make much sense.

I've often wondered: Why do we refer to them as Gray Jedi? Why not Gray Sith?

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Well because at the core they are still a Jedi. A member of the Jedi Order, though they may not uphold all of its ideals. If you were to make a neutral sith, then they could be called a Gray Sith....

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No one ever talks about the Gray Sith though... and if at core they were Jedi, then they wouldn't be called Gray Jedi, being part of the Jedi Order is not 'core'.

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Well thats because most of the time a Gray Jedi emerges from the Jedi Order. They were never a Sith. I feel like the galaxy would look at a Gray Jedi differently than a Gray Sith, but there can be Gray Sith if they come from the the Sith way of thinking and become neutral.

In fact I feel like ToR greatly contributes to the possibility of a Gray Sith, since any force user the Sith Order can find is forced to train to be Sith or face certain death. In that way, you being a slave forced to train for the Sith just to survive, though you aren't evil, once you finish your training and are considered "Sith" and set free, you can escape. But that doesn't mean you'll want to follow the Jedi Order either... thus a Gray Sith.

I still prefer being a Gray Jedi though. The term just sounds badass.

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Not to mention the fact that Qui-Gon Jinn was thought by many to be a Gray Jedi. You don't get much more badass than Qui-Gon Jinn.

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I think there's less possibility of a "Gray Sith" just because a "Gray Jedi" is basically someone who was taught the ideals of the traditional Jedi Order, but are liable to break certain restrictions those ideals create in order to get something done. Usually for the "greater good" or what have you. It's harder for a Sith to fall into this category, because really, Sith don't operate with restrictions, but instead seek a life with no restrictions whatsoever. ("My chains are broken, force shall free me", y'know) Because of this, it's hard to consider someone a Gray Sith due to the fact that you can't REALLY deviate from an ideal of no restriction or total freedom to do what you want...

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Thats a misconception Nazoa, at least in this particular time in Star Wars. Sith do have restrictions as far as the hierarchy of their order. You're not supposed to kill those higher than you (even though it happens all the time), especially the emperor. Sith are still supposed to do things that will make the Empire stronger, and killing amongst each other makes the order weaker. They also aren't supposed to pity the weak; they're supposed to cut down anyone in their way.

So in theory, any Sith looking to take down the Emperor and make the Empire their own is a "Gray Sith".

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I don't quite agree with that, because while the sith aren't SUPPOSED to do those things, everything they do is to aid their own advancement in the empire. I'm sure any sith that could actually take on the emperor (haha) would immediately do so and make the empire their own. The standards that are set don't restrict the sith, the sith's own power is their only restriction. They are limited by who they can and cannot take down and that's it.