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BookBurner April 11th, 2008 01:27 PM

Just another boring mod compilation
 
Some time before, I was creating mod compilation based on the best mod's I have found. Since then, I have spread only little information about any progress.

But now, you can check for yourself - * Link Removed*


Thanks to Achilles, he was the first one who gave me permission for using his work. I still do not have all of them, that's why first version of this mod is not on armadafiles.

Maybe when time will come :)

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. April 11th, 2008 03:44 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
If your mod was rejected by Armada Files because you didn't have all the proper credits, what makes you think it is alright to post it here?

Freyr April 11th, 2008 03:46 PM

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I do not have all permissions to release this mod properly on armada files. So I have relased it by another way.
That's not funny. Your not going to get around our rules and posting a statement effectively saying "up yours" to us by hosting that on a different site.

We are human as well, you know?

I don't have the access to remove that link, however one of my colleauges on the forum staff will remove it shortly. Do not post another link to that on the forums or the site.

Edit:
So shortly that they had done it before I had typed this post out, in fact.


We require credit to go to the authors of any mod we host, and we require that you get permission from the author. You need to do both before you can release that mod here, or anywhere else in this community.

If you persist in trying, you are going to get a *VERY* bad reputation *VERY* quickly.

bgil April 11th, 2008 06:55 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
Give credit where it's due. It's only fair and then we can all enjoy your compilation.

BookBurner April 11th, 2008 11:33 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
Ok then, I think that linking directly to the mods I used is enough credit, but I'll wait until all permissions will be clear.

PS
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Originally Posted by S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (Post 4300695)
If your mod was rejected by Armada Files because you didn't have all the proper credits, what makes you think it is alright to post it here?

Since this forum is for moders, and this compilation is the betaversion, I need someone to try it (someone else than myself) before I't can be released as full.

Freyr April 12th, 2008 02:35 AM

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Ok then, I think that linking directly to the mods I used is enough credit, but I'll wait until all permissions will be clear.


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Originally Posted by removed link
I was not able to do all this on my own. So I have used many ship and station models and textures from other mods. Mods included:
Concept : Future Full mod
Dominion Ultimate mod
Star Wars Fleet Command
Tactical Assault 1.0
Art of War: Holy Wars
Freespace 2 mod
Tholian race (TNG era)

And many great ship designs from armada2.filefront.com

You can't just say that at the end. Linking to all of the mods and other material you used would be acceptable credit in your readme, after you have asked people if you can use their work.

It is an absolute requirement to have asked people, and to tell other people what you used.

Dontai April 12th, 2008 02:51 AM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
Star Wars Fleet Command feel free to use. Their was this entire fuss about it, and it was added to free to use. Just give credits.


Dominion Ultimate mod should be easy get credits for.

Concept : Future Full mod and Freespace 2 are only mod that are going to be problem. Im not sure those guys are around, then again wasn't alot of those ships from bi2? Map has alwayse had very freindy feel free to use policy on the matter.

BookBurner April 12th, 2008 07:41 AM

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Concept : Future Full mod and Freespace 2 are only mod that are going to be problem. Im not sure those guys are around, then again wasn't alot of those ships from bi2? Map has alwayse had very freindy feel free to use policy on the matter.
At the begining I emailed as many of them I could. But only two of them sent email back to me. First was the guy qith ferengi race that I didn't use at the end. And second was guy who made the dominion ultimate and who told me I can't use the version that I have used. And Achilles, he gave me permission via PM here.

And all the others? deep silence.

Freyr April 12th, 2008 10:14 AM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
If you can show that you have made reasonable attempts to contact an modder and they have not responded within a reasonable timeframe then we do provisionally allow the use of their material.

However, obviously if you do that and they then later come back and state they don't want other people using their work then you would have a problem.

You can't just say "And many great ship designs from armada2.filefront.com" though.

BookBurner April 12th, 2008 12:00 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
I know I know,. I just still think that moding should be fun not byrocracy :D

starfox1701 April 12th, 2008 12:45 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
Its not about paper work. Its about respecting the work that others have done. I like you can't build meshes or make full textures yet. Like you I depend on the work of other more skilled inthese areas. Getting them to sign off on what you have done or at least showing that you tried very hard is showing respect for those people and their work. It is 100% percent neccesary if this community is to grow and prosper.

Squire James April 12th, 2008 02:08 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
I assume you mean Bureaucracy.

I've had my own fair share of difficulty trying to contact people for permissions in KA2, however I have credited everything I have used in the ingame credits, and I did send atleast 2 emails to any one who didn't reply to the first. I even tried to contact them over ICQ and so forth.

Its a pain I know, but you MUST credit everyone, otherwise your just asking for a kick in the ass when someone comes along and realises "hey thats mine"

Major A Payne April 12th, 2008 11:57 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
Bookburner. If you have got anything that I've released with ANY of the BI series of mods then as long as you include the exact same credit as I did in my mods readme you are free to use what you wish (be warned that I do not, and never will, make my own textures. Thats why it is absolutely necessary for the texture artists to receive the credit they deserve).

Chief_Chainsaw April 13th, 2008 06:11 AM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
I always figured the approach should be if you can't get permission, even if it's because you can't reach someone, file it away as "would be nice someday down the road", and substitute until that day. *shrugs*

Jetfreak April 13th, 2008 06:27 AM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
just make sure you give credit to everything used in your mod and you'll be fine. If the original authors dont reply in emails. It would still be fine to just state their names. At least they'll still be acknowledged.

And BTW, some of us take this "credit" stuff very seriously. It maintains others from riping off others work.

Dontai April 13th, 2008 12:07 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
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Originally Posted by Chief_Chainsaw (Post 4302970)
I always figured the approach should be if you can't get permission, even if it's because you can't reach someone, file it away as "would be nice someday down the road", and substitute until that day. *shrugs*


This isn't aimed at you chainsaw ....

What if that day never comes? You pretty much just killed some of the best texture in this game simply becuase, the creator decided to go play diffrent game or change his email and completely forgot about this game.

Their is a lot of people that was working on armada 2 mod, but decide they didn't want to work on armada any more, that they wanted to go play halo or some such and for got about armada 2, so your holding out hope they will return. In reality they wont.

We are the last honor guard of armada 2. My opinion is that, in the beginning, worrying about credit is necessary, but this late in the game; it is not. The armada 2 online tournament proved that. Save the credit talk for a new game with hundreds of players.

My opinion, and i maybe wrong, but it still my opinion.

Freyr April 13th, 2008 01:06 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
That's one reason we are pragmatic with the permissions policy and will still host something if people have attempted to get permission.

Chief_Chainsaw April 13th, 2008 01:09 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
Yeah, I see where you're coming from, my dreams of a SW vs ST release mod are next to nil at this point, but it's precisely because I've chosen to shelve things I can't get permission for, and I while every couple of weeks I dust off milkshape and give it another try, I'm quite horrible at making anything more than bricks. It's a shame, but I jsut wouldn't feel right using others work without their tangible and direct permission. I'd like to think Iv'e started a few friendships on here and I would never want to jeopardize those even for a better game experience.

Squire James April 13th, 2008 09:37 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
Regarding StvsSW, weren't a lot of the SW models just lifted from X-Wing Vs TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance?

Also Dontai, the correct procedure is to email them, wait for a reply (I usually wait 2 weeks or so, depending on the person) send another email and if you still don't get a reply, credit them in full in the credits and/or readme and away you go.

BookBurner April 14th, 2008 06:45 AM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
I'll finish full version of this compilation. Ant then I'll credit everything included. (Even 1.1 patch :D ) If it will be correct then.

starfox1701 April 14th, 2008 01:01 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
Good Idea.

Dontai April 14th, 2008 04:04 PM

Re: Just another boring mod compilation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Squire James (Post 4304067)
Regarding StvsSW, weren't a lot of the SW models just lifted from X-Wing Vs TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance?

Also Dontai, the correct procedure is to email them, wait for a reply (I usually wait 2 weeks or so, depending on the person) send another email and if you still don't get a reply, credit them in full in the credits and/or readme and away you go.


I perfer to just lift the read me from what ever mod im going to use and put it in to my mod after trying to send a email. *shrug*


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