4232795

Re: A # of Race Question

February 23rd, 2008 02:38 PM

my current aim is for 11, if I progress beyond that I'll be sure to test it before I put a whole race in

4232829

Re: A # of Race Question

February 23rd, 2008 02:54 PM

Eeek!!

Calm down please, I didn't mean that in an annoying sense, I was simply sharing my thoughts (again) on the matter :lol:

Like you've said below, most projects have six or eight, because of the obvious reasons. Adding more than eight, unless you have a lot of time on your hands, or, alike Achilles, release a project in stages, I find pointless, as you'd be putting more and more time into a project, that may not need all the races you are giving it.

This isn't directed at YY. The races you've got in there (all bar one) fit in quite welll for the time set.

That is fair enough.

:lol: Fair Enough. 11x the chaos, eh?

4233498

Re: A # of Race Question

Majestic-MSFC

February 24th, 2008 02:05 AM

Let me guess, Cardassians?

I must point out it's (the mod) set in the early 24th century, a few years before the Tomed Incident (2311).

4233520

Re: A # of Race Question

February 24th, 2008 02:37 AM

Do we actually have a cannon fist contact date for the Federation and the Union? I don't recall one. What I do recall is the Batreka Nebula Incident bettween the Cardassians and the Klingons. The conversation between Garik and Dr. Bashir places that event 100 years before the episode. Klingons invade Cardassia in what 2370 or so give or take a couple of years that plases them in contact with the Klingons around the time of the Enterprise refit. Thats 30 years before YY.

4233533

Re: A # of Race Question

Majestic-MSFC

February 24th, 2008 02:51 AM

Theres a book about that and I think it's 2320's-2330's or something that the Batreka Nebula Incident happened. Another production error I'd say with Bashir or the novel.

We added the Cardassians as no one has ever attempted to our knowledge a TMP era Cardassian race and we believe first contact was in the very early 24th century considering they had a war with the Federation somewhere in gap of the 2330-2350's.

4233607

Re: A # of Race Question

February 24th, 2008 04:09 AM

Actually, your guess is incorrect. The 'all bar one' is the 'Secret Race' of yours. As it remains secret, I cannot say as to whether it would fit in a TMP storyline, or not.

4233717

Re: A # of Race Question

February 24th, 2008 05:56 AM

@ Majset
Comments made during both TNG and DS9 lead me to belive that the Federation was at least aware of the Cardassians much earlier. I've never read any books covering that but my book budget has been cut back for economic reasons for a couple of years now so I'm way behind in the fiction department.

4233895

Re: A # of Race Question

February 24th, 2008 07:54 AM

Well, if I had the time, I would probably try and implement the Hydrans as a playable race in KA2. However, I only have one station for them and my skills at 3d modelling (atleast for starships from Trek) are mediocre at best.

Maybe for V.1.2 though

However I agree with the general consensus that unless you have an ungodly amount of time or you release in sections, making, balancing and "individualising" (i.e making each race feel unique) more than 7 or 8 races is an uphill challenge. Also, as mentioned storyline wise "too many players makes for an overly complex play" Theres nothing stopping you implementing as many map races as you want. They are much easier to do, as they don't need to be especially balanced as they are as a rule unbuildable, and they don't need to be in fitting with any particular race style (what I mean is, if you have a race like the Federation but all the ships are by different authors and don't look like they were made in the same yard in the same sort of time period then theres a problem, but for map races, they don't need to fit in with so many ships, as theres generally only 3 or 4 ships in a map race).

4234301

Re: A # of Race Question

February 24th, 2008 11:20 AM

well, if it's a matter of only having 8 races to a map, why would you want every game to have the same races?

4234346

Re: A # of Race Question

February 24th, 2008 11:54 AM

I agree Achilles, infact most of my games don't feature more than 4 races anyway (usually Federation and Gorns vs Klingons and Romulans) as I try to play "realistically". By that I mean not have strange alliances or (apart from Klingons who have regular tiffs with other Klingons) same race opponents. Its highly unlikely that 6 or 8 races would have bases in the same star system.

That said, my argument against having dozens of races is the balancing and the time spent by the creator. E.g if there are 25 races in a mod, chances are each race has had less time spent on them than in a mod with only 6.

If you have the time to make a mod with the Federation, Borg, Klingons, Romulans, Remans, Cardassians, Dominion, Breen, Tholians, Ferengi, Species 8472, Vulcans and so on then great, but it would probably take you three years or more and the size would be prohibitive.

In a nutshell:-

"Quality not Quantity"