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Old December 14th, 2011   #11
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Well that's just it, he is improving drastically. If you watch the film from 3 weeks ago, he's vastly improved at completing passes and staying in the pocket to drive the ball down field rather than running for a shorter gain.

If anything I think the stigma people have with him will just benefit him in their underestimation.
He was a horrible pocket QB at Florida (the few times when he wasn't running the ball) and he still relies upon the defense thinking he's going to run to get anyone open (nice thing to rely on, I'll admit). He has improved but I think he has a lot to do to wear off that novelty idea that people have of his style, and beating defensive giants like the Ravens or Steelers would do that (as opposed to beating a QB-less Bears and a bunch of bad teams outside the Jets). He's still very much a work in progress and he definitely has the determination to work at it, but as long as Denver continues to run this kind of enhanced-Wildcat, spread offense, teams will figure it out.

Where I'd be worried is that QB's of the style of Tebow, Vince Young, Michael Vick,even Cam Newton, etc the "running-QBs" tend not to have long and successful careers. I'd be worried about Tebow getting mashed by someone like James Harrison and coming back a shell of his former self (like Vick after he broke his leg in 2003).

We'll see how he does against Brady and the Patriots this weekend. Pats defense isn't what it used to be, but Brady and the offense are surely capable of putting up more points than their defense will allow (kinda like how the Saints are playing).
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He was a horrible pocket QB at Florida (the few times when he wasn't running the ball) and he still relies upon the defense thinking he's going to run to get anyone open (nice thing to rely on, I'll admit). He has improved but I think he has a lot to do to wear off that novelty idea that people have of his style, and beating defensive giants like the Ravens or Steelers would do that (as opposed to beating a QB-less Bears and a bunch of bad teams outside the Jets). He's still very much a work in progress and he definitely has the determination to work at it, but as long as Denver continues to run this kind of enhanced-Wildcat, spread offense, teams will figure it out.
Well that's what they've been saying for about 6 weeks... and even though every week I read headlines about head coaches watching tape and coming up with beastly plans to stop the option; it hasn't happened yet.

That aside, the option offense was never supposed to be the permanent solution in Denver, it's just been the plan to ease Tebow into the offense, and considering that Tebow has fewer starts than some current Rookie quarterbacks, I don't think he's doing bad.
I remember looking at a comparison of the first 10 starts of Tebow to Elway, Brady, Montana and some of the other greatest QBs or all time, and Tebow generally has about the same pass completion percentage, but with fewer interceptions and more touchdowns. He also has more rushing yards, but that goes without saying.

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Where I'd be worried is that QB's of the style of Tebow, Vince Young, Michael Vick,even Cam Newton, etc the "running-QBs" tend not to have long and successful careers. I'd be worried about Tebow getting mashed by someone like James Harrison and coming back a shell of his former self (like Vick after he broke his leg in 2003).
Michael Vick hasn't exactly had a short career, and if you'll remember he was quite the phenom last year. Beyond that, there's countless examples of rushing quarterbacks considered among the greatest to ever play the position. Randall Cunningham? Fran Tarkenton? These even coming from my biased Vikings knowledge.

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We'll see how he does against Brady and the Patriots this weekend. Pats defense isn't what it used to be, but Brady and the offense are surely capable of putting up more points than their defense will allow (kinda like how the Saints are playing).
It will be an interesting matchup, and while normally even a miracle believer such as myself would say it's too far to reach for the Broncos, it's really not. Saying "The Patriots defense isn't what it used to be" is like saying "The Roman Empire isn't what it used to be", The Patriots are dead last in pass defense. Second to last? The Minnesota Vikings, where Tebow threw for 200 yards.

The Patriots offense is lightning in a bottle, but Brady can be pressured, and there are few defenses these days that can pressure a QB like the Broncos, who have brought back the concept of "Orange Crush". In the secondary they've got Brian Dawkins and Champ Bailey, both veterans and damn near the best at their positions. It isn't even a question of Defenses, it's a question of Defense, whether the Broncos defense can keep Brady from Bradying.

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