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I have a great idea! NPC's can join your party. I know that certain NPC's will join you for quests, but I'm talking about a dialogue option that says 'Want to join my party?' or something. Almost every NPC should have this option, so now the Marked One can go on raids, expeditions, and murder sprees with whoever he wants whenever he wants. I'm sure this would cause a few balancing problems, but that's nothing a modder can't fix, right?
Please make this mod and release it one STALKERfiles! Thanks!

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Party members are a definate must for sure. That's one I imagine is on at least a few modders minds, and bound to come out as soon as somebody figures out all the details to make it work. It may or may not require the SDK, some of the things I've seen done so far without it have been amazing and I wouldn't have thought possible without the SDK. So who knows, one of these talented guys are probably already ahead of us on this one I bet :D

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Thing is, most of the Group Efforts in the game are either common goal (Mutant Swarms trying to kill you. They all want you dead, so they all go after you.) or raids where the NPCs are on Tracks telling them "go here" they get there, then normal NPC AI kicks in and combat starts since the "Go here" thing gets them into fighting range.

I'd imagine Squads would take some nasty AI coding that I'm pretty sure would need a Developer Released SDK or some Insane Community Created SDK made by some crazy stalker fans that know quite a bit about computers.

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...or simply someone figuring out there's a "Follow The Player Until I Die" command hidden somewhere.... heheheh!

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yeah! i was allways going back to tolik to see if he could join me, i did save his petty life after all.:D

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Well, I definitely want this, but I think some restrictions are in order. Like you need to be at least rank X or higher (50 maybe?) So NPCs know you are badass enough to earn their respect.

If NPCs have a rank then it could be something more like your rank needs to be X higher than theirs. So if it was 20 ranks higher, you could never recruit the top 20 NPCs (even if you were the number 1 Stalker).

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Using a small tweak to the way Stalkers use items, I dropped in a quick mod so that I can now arm folks. They actually use the weapons I drop for them now. Tolik got a nice G36 to help him out :D

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no, in the beginning you ask tolik to join yu, we should just figure a way to change that, make hime invincible or change his armor and you can drop guns at his feet for when ever he needs a new one. oh, and chang his ammo capacity to infinate so he doesn't just start makaroving people

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nice about the g36, but does he run out of ammo? or do you not know?:deal:

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must be the ammo that was currently in the gun

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From what I understand, if you sell them a box a of ammo in the trade screen (requiring another modification to the m_stalker.ltx file) then the "unlimited ammo" that NPCs seem to have kicks in. So far, in my observations at least, it seems to work that way just fine. Sell them the ammo, turn directly away from them but pushed up as close as possible, and drop the rifle. As long as it's a better rifle then the one they're carrying already, they will pick it up. I used this method to arm the entire starting village with AKs and my buddy Tolik got the G36. Fanatik only got a Obokan, but I like him enough to get him one of those at least. It's no G36, but it's still nice enough. Then you go lure the army guys to the south up into the village for some fun mayhem :D

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I like the sounds of that, no longer will the boys in the garbage have problems with bandits, ill give the guard rpgs and the rest some "groza"s:0wned:

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I'd pay for this mod if done properly and crash free.

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I wouldn't trust any of those rookies with an rpg. Gave one a bulldog 6 once, blew me to pieces cause i walked past a bandit that was still kickin. Unfortunately the rookie also spotted him and blew me and the bandit to bits.
Also considering the habit of the AI to try and shoot through concrete walls giving them HE weapons may be detrimental to their health.
Anyway i really like the idea of party members, Some even speak of joining you but claim they dont know you well enough, cant remember NPC said it though.

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I bet they thought about it just never put it in. they left the dialogue after all. or mabe they plan on making this happen in an up coming patch?:madman:

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Some of the guys at SMC, and I, are throwing this around a bit, trying to think of a way to create "squads." Squads would have all of the essentials of a modern combat group, A heavy support gunner armed with a LMG, a medic, most likely armed with some kind of medic gun, that could heal his teamates, and the rest just assault guys.

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That would be useless in the Zone wouldn't it? Stalkers aren't really keen to be working with each other. Just that if you assign them roles, it wouldn't really make sense. It would require them to change their entire loadout.

Just have a group of Stalkers, with their own guns. They can take care of themselves.

And add another feature: If they fall in combat, don't actually have them "die". Have them fall onto the floor until you can heal them, or something.

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That's already in. Don't you remember Tolik from the first few minutes of the game? That one was scripted, but it does happen in the normal game, to enemies and allies, just, you're only able to revive allies and neutrals and not the poor Bandit s.o.b that has a few more holes than he was born with.

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How would it not work, it would add a more tactical element to the game. And there are several groups of S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s that work together. For Example, the guards at the very beginning of the game. And later in the game, there are several groups of S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s traveling together.

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ok, your idea would only work for factions. and even then it is questionable.

military? yeah, make a squad system for them.
duty and freedom? could work, but not realy neccesary, and especialy not for freedom
"lone" stalkers who group together? not at all.these are just a couple of guys who find eachothers company nice.
mercs? sure, if you ever encounter enough of them. mabe with the scientist quest?

point is that squads arn't realy needed. what is is the ability to travel with others

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Exactly. Squads aren't a neccecity, but traveling with other people throughout the Zone is definitely needed.

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Freedom is as cohesive a unit as any other faction. if you play on Freedom's side, the first quest you get, it's you and like, ten other Freedomers sent out to wipe out the Dutyers in the Army Warehouse. Freedomers aren't loners banding together... they're Dutyers with different with a different philosophy and different guns.

The only faction in the game that wouldn't have large squads would be the Loners...

-- Griffinhart

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True. Very true.

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freedom as the idea of them, not the ingame equivilent, is disorganized, and realy just there for fun and money. they are anarchists for fu*k sakes!

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Why the f*** does everyone think that Freedom are anarchists? They're not anarchists. They believe that the Zone should be opened to everyone, and that there should be no secrets or "classified information". That's what their idea is, that's what their philosophy is. Duty beleives that the Zone should be closed off, Freedom thinks the Zone should be opened. It's not a battle between order and anarchy, it's about information and money. Duty wants to keep everything closed off to "protect the world", and Freedom wants the Zone opened up so that everyone can learn and profit.

More or less, Duty is the equivalent of Cold War Russia, where everything was about secrets, propaganda, and knowing everything without letting everyone else know. Freedom is ther equivalent of America; open economy, flowing information.

-- Griffinhart

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But we're not talking about the idea of them. We are talking about the ingame equivelent, which is, an organized group of men, in the zone.

Also, if anyone in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. are anarchists, it's going to be the monolith.

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There ya go. The most disorganized groups in the game would be Loners, who don't give two s***s about anyone, and the Bandits, who are criminals that have escaped to the Zone either because they don't wanna spend time in prison, or because they want to make money like everyone else.

Freedom, Duty, and the military would all have the most organization, the military above all.

Monolith would definitely be anarchists, and nuts at that, so they'd be chaotically organized; I'd like to think of them as guerilla troops, hitting and running, not using large squads, but rather working in small teams of two or three, or by themselves.

-- Griffinhart

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Instead of massively large groups that like to spray and pray.

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because that is exactly what they are described as ingame! jeez...

ok, if we are comparing factions to countries than duty is just like any other in that they are trying to keep ordinary, inocent people from being further effected by the zone.

Freedom would be more like a freestate(not america, them just like another country have their share of secrets.{remember roswell? guess what, some of the locals there have never even heard of that incident, and I wounder why? could it be the same reason they denied they found anything of interest when clearly they did?no! that is propsterous!:abduct:

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why? they just love their stone!:adore: remember in pripyat? they where all just chanting and worshoping a chunk of garbage they had piled into the theater! that was so much fun! none of em got up as i systematicly exicuted them with a single shot in the back of the head, right where the spine and the skull connect. after all im only human, you gotta put them down so they don't feel it:dpistols:

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@Your first post: No, that's how Duty describes them. Duty is all about propaganda. They're not like every other country, they place a lot more emphasis on secrecy and control, much like how the USSR did. Freedom, on the other hand, prefers that everyone knows what's going on. They share information, and unlike those Duty a**holes, they don't mind if you walk onto their base.

-- Griffinhart

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no. it was the encyclopedia that says it and same with the game site.:smack:
Duty, is not at all secretive and all about propaganda. just cause they like to play military and not let you on their territory as an outsider doesn't meen they are full of secrets and power tripping. and why not use loudspeakers to recruit people? just cause freedom doesn't have them doesn't mean they wouldn't use them too.like i said, duty wants to protect inocent people.

take it or leave it, it's the way it is, final warrior:moon:

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Again, propaganda. :D

I guess the loudspeaker doesn't count as propaganda?

Yeah, I guess it has more to do with how they're working with the Ukrainian government, and feeding them information directly, along with artifacts and whatnot.

They use the loudspeaker much like how the military base in the cordon uses it's.

Duty: "Protect the world from the Zone!"

Military: "We are not here to protect the Zone from you. We are here to protect you from the Zone!"

Sure, and so did Soviet Russia.
Actually, that's never the way it is. There's always more choices. ;)

-- Griffinhart

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OK back to the point... I think it would be cool to recruit any persons (excluding main quest specific NPC's) to join the party, but they do there own thing in combat.

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yeah! but tolik. gotta have tolik

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@ Final Warrior - You're an idiot. I'd bet you call the daily news propaganda? and text books, and magazines, and girl guides cookies.......

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Oh, I'm sorry, we're flaming each other now?

And yeah, commercial media is propaganda. Anything made by people is biased, is untruthful to a point. I don't watch the news, and I don't read the newspapers, because half the stuff in there is just so that those who own the news corporation or the print can make more and more money.

-- Griffinhart

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Funny? I thought that was ileagal? I guess it's ok, seeing that governments don't abide by their own rules. Nah man, im sorry i called you an idiot. i take it back and then some. I remember a day when you helped me out. anyways, there is no need for such talk. thats backstabbing. we cool?

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Hehe. We cool, we cool. And AFAIK, as long as it sounds true, the government doesn't care... take a look at what Jack Thompson is doing in the media ever since the VTU shooting. Dude's blaming Counter-Strike for it... Counter-Strike causes stupid people, not dead people.

-- Griffinhart

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either games or music. yeah.......rap inspired me to join a gang and murder two guys. it wasn't that i have a drug addiction and that I grew up in the projects.(i hate rap BTW)

I my self feel the vibes from this shit. i can't even buy oblivion without my father(feel so lame) but im old enough to kill someone with a car?WTF are they thinking???

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Keeping on the subject, is there anyone who's actually going to try and modify the game to do the NPC thing?

and excuse my noobidity (if thats even a term, which im sure its not), but who IS tolik anyhoo?

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Tolik is the guy in cordon near the dead guy calling for you to help him, you give him the medkit and he becomes a friend.

as to the freedom duty argument encyclopedia says
<string id="enc_social_stalker-clans_duty">
<text>A paramilitary group known for its discipline, whose members live according to a strict code. Duty members are the only group to refuse to trade unique items from the Zone with the outside world. According to rumors, all artifacts found by the group are passed on to scientists. Its members consider protecting the outside world from the Zone's dangers their primary objective. Most of the group's operations concern destroying monsters, hence Duty raids often save normal stalkers from serious trouble. The faction has long been at war with Freedom.</text>
</string>
<string id="enc_social_stalker-clans_freedom">
<text>Anarchists and daredevils who declare themselves fighters for a free access to the Zone and consequently find themselves in constant conflict with the army, military stalkers and the Duty faction. These so-called freedom warriors believe in sharing all information about the Zone with the rest of the world and challenge the state's monopoly over the Zone's secrets and wonders.</text>
</string>
but....
<string id="bar_bar_osvedomitel_talk_about_freedom_1">
<text>Sure, no problem! Freedom is one of the oldest groups in the Zone and the only one that openly opposes government troops and research teams. Its founders are dead - they were killed during a big bloodbath after the army dropped a large assault force in the Zone but the ability to control the Zone from outside was destroyed at the same time. There is some evidence to suggest that the first Zone was used as a secret army weapons' testing site . If that's true, they must have used some powerful shit.Anyway, what was I saying...? Oh yeah, Freedom is the only group that is trying to stop the government from gaining control over the testing site again. God knows what will happen if they start testing their shit again, so Freedom is trying to hold out at all costs.</text>
</string>
string id="bar_bar_osvedomitel_talk_about_freedom_3">
<text>Duty is basically controlled from the outside by the government. Their current objective is to clear the territory of mutants and destroy Freedom, which is what they are doing at the moment. When the time is right, they will drop a large assault force in the Zone and take control of the area.</text>
</string>



back on NPC companion/allies a lot want to mod them in (including myself) but are unsure if we are able to do so before SDK.

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The partying-with-NPCs thing can't be done without an SDK, which everyone's been waiting for since release.

And Tolik... well, Demoche explained that.

-- Griffinhart

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Ah, cool. cool. thanks for the help~

so i suppose its gonna be a long wait huh>?:(

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man... if someone can make an overhaul mod and actually change the ranking system and NPC party thing and add in alittle something i called the "wanted"

i think u should get a chance to actually create a group along with some enthusiastic stalkers jus like the EX-you, ghost and fang wher they get so famous with the first one to go to north and all....

then maybe the 'can u tell me something interesting' would have the same rumor system as Oblivion instead of getting the real names they would be gossipping about a rogue/powerful/dangerous/helpful or watever group
would make u feel more .... UNIQUE and cool :D

P.S. dont mean to sound repeatative
no one would describe their enemies as a good society... they wouldnt be warring factions then jus to let u know.... jus like how racist wars started diff views diff opinions