This is why the Desert Eagle sucks in real life:

[noobaby]

rocks suck, tie a brick to a string, re-usable deadliness

[microbus]

Originally Posted by noobaby

rocks suck, tie a brick to a string, re-usable deadliness

Thats also recycling
But i just find chucking people into volcanoes dose the trick

[Nyfie]

Who needs your fancy weapons.
I could bet my weapon could beat all of you.

*Opens Chuck Norris's cage*

[Spanker_Of_Idiots]

firstly, id like to say i only signed up to this forumns to set a few of you wet behind the ears kids straight. i was a chief in the us navy for many many years, and saw combat in 3 countries. i have 37 conf. kills, and 19 of those were close-in hand to hand combat. ive won the silver star.

now, let me explain something. actual combat is nothing like a "video game", and the 9MM parabellum certainly isnt even in the same class as the Desert Eagle 50 AE (i have used both in combat).

1. the 9mm will NOT go thru the same amount of flesh as the 45ACP...whomever came up with that is certainly an idiot.
2.the 9mm will not di the same amount of damage as "any other slug"...i shot a iraqi soldier at 10 yards ( 30 feet for those of you who are to young to know how to calculate yards to feet) 4 times with a beretta 92 9mm. i ducked behind a K rail ( which is a cement barrier) due to incomming fire, and when i popped back up, he had gotten up and left.....

3.ive also used the 45acp and the 50AE in combat, and both are extremely effective, and the 9MM is no comparison.the one sigle reason that the us military went to the 9mm is that they started letting to many women,queers and wussies in, and to many complained about the recoil of the 45acp. sort of like back when the 40 s&w was designed from the 10MM. to many girls were joining the fbi and complaining about the 10MMs sharp and snappy recoil, so they resixzed the round. the 50AE loaded with the 300gr speer hollow point factory load is just a hair under 1400FPS. the desert eagle 50AE is routinely carried by alaskan guides, and many a grizzly bear has fallen to them,one shot stop. now, try shooting a grizzly with a 9MM or 45 acp and see what happens. your talking about an animal that weighs in exess of 1/2 TON, and bigger. the desert eagle 50ae factory loaded has MORE foot pounds energy retained at 100 yards and more velocity that a hot loaded 44 magum does EXITING THE END OF THE BARREL. your comparing apples and oranges. the 50AE is a true handheld piece of artillery, and is also THE LARGEST SEMIAUTOMATIC HANDGUN IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, both by actual size and the round. also, FYI, the us BATFE rules state that a handgun projectile can not exeed 1/2" . the 50AE has been known to completely decapitate,remove limbs,etc with no problems, all at ranges that the 9mm and 45 acp could never even think about getting out to. youd have to shoot at an arch to even get close, and it would be like shooting straight up in the air.

now, there are a few of you who sound like they remotely know what there talking about, but not many. if i were you guys, just for grins, before spouting off about firearms calibers,etc in the future, id do some research and get your facts right. i own 3 50AE desert eagles. the recoil is about 20% more than a standard 44 magnum.

[Spanker_Of_Idiots]

Originally Posted by Nyfie

My dad knows a guy who in 'Nam, was a radio operator. Was on the horn for one reason or another. And a sniper had a shot at him. The round hit the receiver, went diaganel, hit the helmit went through it, hit the guys head, went INTO the skin (but not the skull), and traveled up, from one side of his skul to te other, under the skin, and stopped just above his jaw-bone.
True story.

one more thing

id sure like to meet this guy. ive heard that same "old wives" tale with about 50 variations for years, and all of them were supposed to be a "true story". ive heard it as .45 acp,9mm,30 carbine,30-06,308,7.62x39MM,etc,etc.....sometimes he was a 'radio operator", sometimes an "infantryman" ,one time he was a cook cooking morning chow, another time he was floating down the mekong on a log, and still another time he was a POW escaping from a hootch running flat out......its always my dad knows or my uncle knows or something similar. as a trained sniper, ill tell you this. if i can shoot my .308 1000 yards, bust the glass in a tower and put that round neatly behind your ear, do you really think the same rounds going to do some stupid crud like that?

im not calling you a liar, im just astating that maybe the guy made it up or something. that same old tired storys been circulating for years.

[10ar]

The topic is: "This is why the Desert Eagle sucks in real life"So, it's NOT about caliber, it's about a 2 kg (4 pounds) handgun!!!Its' stupid to even think to compare the power of .50 Action Express and any other handgun ammo (except maybe .475 Wildey), but still Desert Eagle SUCKS for military use!It's a hunting weapon with expensive ammunition (yes, one of the most powerful handgun ammo indeed, but certainly not suitable for equipping the military personnel on large scale). Anyone with military experience knows that logistic is everything. The worst logistic nightmare is supplying the units with different calibers. So, if 9mm covers the handguns AND the SMG's (like Beretta and MP5 etc.) good, .45ACP can do the same (let's say USP and UMP45 - I would like to see SMG in .45ACP in this game). I can imagine an SMG in .50AE lol!So, every weapon is build for purpose, hunt is one thing, war is another, and the computer games are... well, just games. But they can be modified to be fairly realistic as much as they can.If one faces a bear, then 9mm is pretty useless, but in conditions when someone is shooting back to you I would like to have more ammo in the clip.In this game, if there were some mod with handguns only, I would hunt boars, pseudodogs and bloodsuckers with Desert Eagle (no .50AE in the Game, but 9x39 has similar effect), but I would fight tushkano's and dogs with Walther P99, Beretta 92FS, FN HP35 or Fort.Talking about 9mm, I would like to stress that IMO 9x18mm Makarov is better than 9x19mm PARA, although is slightly less powerful. Because of this little reduction in gunpowder (the shell is 1mm shorter and the bullet is little bit lighter) it flies subsonic and the regular round is suitable for use with silencers, while in the case of transonic 9x19mm you need special ammo. Also guns using 9x18mm Makarov can have fixed barrel (like PM and PB) due to a less recoil - the is no need for locked slider! So, in real life PM and especially PB are very accurate weapons, not like they are represented in the Game.

[hunterm16a2]

Originally Posted by Spanker_Of_Idiots

one more thing

id sure like to meet this guy. ive heard that same "old wives" tale with about 50 variations for years, and all of them were supposed to be a "true story". ive heard it as .45 acp,9mm,30 carbine,30-06,308,7.62x39MM,etc,etc.....sometimes he was a 'radio operator", sometimes an "infantryman" ,one time he was a cook cooking morning chow, another time he was floating down the mekong on a log, and still another time he was a POW escaping from a hootch running flat out......its always my dad knows or my uncle knows or something similar. as a trained sniper, ill tell you this. if i can shoot my .308 1000 yards, bust the glass in a tower and put that round neatly behind your ear, do you really think the same rounds going to do some stupid crud like that?

im not calling you a liar, im just astating that maybe the guy made it up or something. that same old tired storys been circulating for years.

Your story can't be trusted any more than his...

[Roaming East]

Wow.
In concerns to damage done by any particular projectile you have 3 items to contend with equally
-The velocity of the round
-The weight of the round
-Cross Section of bullet

The first corollary is probably the most important. The faster a bullet is going, the more energy it is going to impact on the atarget when compared to a similiar object going slower.

The Second corollary complements the first, The more mass you have driving into your target, the more energy is going to be transfered.

The third is a wild card. JHP bullets have the ability to radically alter there cross sectional density and thus alter the sustained energy being applied to the target. a 90 grain 9mm FMJ traveling 2000FPS is NOT going to have the same energy a 90 grain JHP going the same speed simply because the latter bullet will expend almost all of its energy at once (stopping inside the body) as opposed to the former traveling into and OUT of the body (thats wasted energy). The result is that JHP bullets turn the body into an energy 'dump' where all the kinetic and potential energy a bullet can have is sent into the person whereas the FMJ uses the body as an energy sap, where some of the energy is absorbed by the bullet but the rest is lost.

Militarily speaking, The various nations of the world are hooched in that they limit themselves to non-expanding ammunition. This means that just about whatever caliber you are going to use will have wasted energy. To compensate for this, host nations prefer to up the grain weight of whatever bullets they use. Europe went with smaller faster bullets, the US went with larger slower bullets. Ballistically, the US won, as even without expanding projectiles a 200grain .45 going 940FPS will impact ALL of its energy into the body (by means of having a large cross section and greater weight to compensate for lack of velocity) whereas military grade 9mm STILL pass into and out of the human body.

The answer is that out of the 3 aforementioned things needed for crucial bullet effectiveness, you want to have 2 of them going for you. in concerns to the 9mm v the .45, the 9mm loses. Its a lighter round with a less ideal shape. The .45 is slower but has a larger cross section AND is heavier. If the 9mm had a larger cross section (think, .357 Sig) then the difference between the bullet and the .45 disappears. theres nothing wrong with the .357/.38/9mm BULLET. Its the cartridge thats screwing it over but thats the price you pay to get a high capacity design into operation.


So ideally, since the various slugs themselves, diameter wise arent a helluva lot different, you would want to balance speed and weight.
A .38 Super is an awesome round. It takes the same 9mm bullet, same basic velocity, but increases the surface area at the nose to heighten its performance. (cheaper to just go with an expanding 9mm. a JHP 9mm will and can do everything a plain jane .45 can do).

Oh, and NOBODY uses .50AE for anything seriously. The most popular round in Alaskan Bear country is and has always been the .44 Magnum. Deadly from the plethora of affordable revolvers it is chambered for and can be fired from the various Guide Gun rifles that extend its range. Why carry a relatively finicky gas operated pistol that uses expensive rare ammunition when the .44 will do everything from two separate platforms (rifle AND pistol) for FAR cheaper?


Oh, and to whomever posted about the 9x18. Its a TERRIBLE round. They designed it so it could fire from a fixed barrel system like the Walther PP does, but its pushing the envelope in what that design can handle. in a fixed barrel pistol like the polish P64 (which i have shot) the 9x18 is very uncomfortable to shoot. The 9mm ONLY has velocity going for it since it lacks good downrange ballistics and as the 9x18 has REDUCED velocity, it becomes a worthless round. It was designed to be a bullet mated to an easily concealed pistol but did so poorly, The Russians and Chinese have since started switching to the 9mmP and the only guys still packing the PM are East European countries that dont have the option of abandoning a design they have stockpiled for over 50 years.

[tehv3r1z0nguy]

/trolling on

Is it safe to say that Spicy Waffle is a five-year old boy who has no idea how ballistics work but still has a boyish fantasy of being in the military or even holding a gun? Is it just as safe to say that he would be considered mentally retarded in 48/50 of the states in the US?

/trolling off

... Go back to bed and drink your damn milk.

[Nyfie]

Originally Posted by Spanker_Of_Idiots

one more thing

id sure like to meet this guy. ive heard that same "old wives" tale with about 50 variations for years, and all of them were supposed to be a "true story". ive heard it as .45 acp,9mm,30 carbine,30-06,308,7.62x39MM,etc,etc.....sometimes he was a 'radio operator", sometimes an "infantryman" ,one time he was a cook cooking morning chow, another time he was floating down the mekong on a log, and still another time he was a POW escaping from a hootch running flat out......its always my dad knows or my uncle knows or something similar. as a trained sniper, ill tell you this. if i can shoot my .308 1000 yards, bust the glass in a tower and put that round neatly behind your ear, do you really think the same rounds going to do some stupid crud like that?

im not calling you a liar, im just astating that maybe the guy made it up or something. that same old tired storys been circulating for years.

Well there is a very substantial difference between the 7.62x25mm PPsh41 round he got hit with, and a .308 round... Big big difference. You of all people should know that.It was very common to get a lone vietcong that would sneak near a camp with a fire-arm of any type, empty a few rounds at soldiers then pull out.They'd shot down charlies doing that that only had pistols.This guy had a PPsh-41 or something like it that fires the 7.62x25mm pistol round.I've also seen combat and everything else that you said (that I haven't qouted) I agree with. The guy who started this post needs to be shot with a 9mm, and a 45 so he can really find the difference in stopping power. I know I carry a .45 instead of a 9mm cause I've always prefered them more for several reasons.On the .50cal thing, did you take a DE or something like it into combat? Or are you talking about the .50cal rifle round?