This is why the Desert Eagle sucks in real life:

[ZanderArch]

Originally Posted by microbus

yes but lets say you hit them in the arm a 9mm will hurt like hell an .50 will proboly make that arm completly useless if not kill.

Also onto another point using weapons like that is a type of pyscological warfair now think about it if the guy gopt shot right next to you with a 9mm that would proboly screw you up a bit mentaly, now try that with a .50 now that would proboly just make you turn and run.

Getting shot in the arm would never kill you without an hour passing by with the wound going untreated.

Yes, large caliber weapons would have a great physiological effect on the enemy, but for most conventional armies, the Physiological Effect would be outweighed by the the weapon's cons.

The main reason real armies don't use the Desert Eagle is because, of this short list:
1. Only higher ranking officers get a pistol. No matter the size of the Desert Eagle, it is still a hand(cannon)gun.
2. Too large. Too Heavy. Remember, you are going to try and use this weapon for a whole day, keeping your pants up with this in a holster or keeping your wrist straight with this in your hands isn't going to be very fun.
3. Expensive. Remember, your equipping an army here.

But, it makes a great target pistol, it is good quality, looks good, and is very effective. Plus, you'll get plenty of people crowding around you if you pull a weapon like the Desert Eagle out and start shooting some .50 AEs.

[Eisen-Lowe]

Originally Posted by Spicy Waffles

and FYI, 5.56 fucks up internal organs bad because it F***ING EXPLODES INTO SEVERAL PIECES INSIDE THE ENEMY'S CHEST.

I was under the impression that 5.56's tumbled after initial impact, creating a larger exit wound. (Though, I may be wrong, I've based this on ballistics testing videos in super slow-motion that used gel, cinder blocks, buckets of water, and whatever else you can come up with, that I've seen, so it may not work quite like it looked.)

Although I'm sure that they break into pieces, probably quite often, I'm absolutely positive that they don't "explode" unless they are an already explosive variant thereof.

Also I have to say, it all depends on the situation your in. (This is handguns now since that WAS the original topic of the thread.)

I think a larger caliber like a .45 would be better suited for protection, than for the offensive, considering usually, when you're protecting yourself or others, it'll be in close quarters in your home or other place, and a larger caliber round with more stopping power and less accuracy would be more effective and desirable, (You DO have a chance of disabling a limb completely if you hit square in the bone [not sure about thigh bone] even if they're on crack or another stimulant or painkillers) where as if you have a 9mm, and you're trying to stop the attacker, they could keep coming at you, if they're on crack or another stimulant or painkillers. (Assuming you DON'T hit, or DON'T WANT to hit, them in the heart or head with either. I'm not sure about you guys, but I'd rather have my attacker live to get tortured in prison, than allow him to feel the sweet release of death after attacking MY family.)

Of course, this is a theoretical situation, and I'm sure there are more reasonable ones out there, I just wanted to give you a scenario that puts the .45 at an advantage over the 9mm, to prove to you that other calibers of ammunition aren't useless.

Oh, and one last thing Spicy Waffles, just because you have FIRED a gun, doesn't make you an expert on them, I mean look at gangbangers. I've never fired a real gun in my life, but I was able to repair my friends revolver for him to working condition with a nickel, some other stuff, and my trusty dremel tool. Can you say you repaired a weapon to working condition with items you can find around almost any household? Didn't think so. So enough with the "I FIRED GUNS SO I KNOWZ" attitude okay?

Sorry to you other guys for any spelling mistakes, incoherent sentences I've may have missed and whatever info I may have screwed up, I'm just sick of dorks like this guy who think their opinions are facts that should be acknowledged by the rest of the world.

*YAWN* That took longer than I wanted it to, and just before bed no less.

[Eisen-Lowe]

Since I can't edit my original post anymore for some reason, my bad, separdum(sp?) already explained what I said about .45s to 9mms and in a better way since he is better informed

Also, the OP didn't really state any specifics about the situation that these guns are being used in so, it's no wonder the topic went all over the place heh.

[ZanderArch]

Yeah, .45s are popular with defensive weapons. Can't count the number of stories of people who carry something in .45 over 9mm because they live and/or pass through the less savory parts of town.

Most American Special forces use the .45cal Mk 23 Mod 0, or SOCOM as it is more commonly known, but that is usually regarded as an Offensive Handgun.

But 50 AE is just a target round. The recoil would be hard to manage in an engagement between more than one person, and it's just overkill most of the time.

[Nyfie]

Who ever started this thread has teh IQ of a glass of water seriously.

I laughed so hard when I read this originally, then I e-mailed the link to my dad - he laughed even harder.
From his personal experience, in combat - there is a deffinantly deffinantly difference in stopping power between something like the 9mm and the .45.

The size of the projectile, the type, and the amount of gun-powder makes a big big difference (I also know this from my own person experience with fire-arms and combat).

I thought he had a legitimate reasona s to why Desert Eagles suck. Granted, I don't like them personally myself. Too big and heavy. But if you got hit by one of them hell you'd know you've been hit alright.

Seriously, jsut cause you've looked at a bullet size graphs, and fire a few weapons at a range doens't mean you're the all powerfull weapon knowledge of the world. The people that are the real experts on this are the ones that have seen the effects, and more accuratly - cause them in real life. On human... HUMAN (not animal) targets.

That said.
Stalker is still a fun game even though most of it's weapon characteristics are flawed. Great gameplay

[Nyfie]

Oh also... getting shot in the arm can kill you if you get hit in the radial artery(spelling?) and can't stop the bleeding(death in around 2 minutes) [most peopel forget to take main arteries into acocunt when thinking of gunshot wounds - unless you can apply a considerable amount of force to cut off the blood flow, you will bleed to death in a matter of minutes].

And it's the Russian 5.45 round that tumbles cause it's end heavy. Bullets that shread and break apart and cause what is called "malicious wounding" are illigal because of the Geneva convention (IMO the fact that they place rules on war is retarded... it's war, deal with it). But the russian tumbling round is legal cause it stays in 1 piece - while rounds that are designed to explode or shatter on impact aren't. But you can still get them for most calibers cause they are legal to use as hunting rounds [good tip there for up and coming mercs and bodyguards ].

[hunterm16a2]

I can't be positive but I am pretty sure that somewhere I read an account of a 9x19 from a Beretta 92 being deflected by a human skull.

[Trainman]

this thread makes no sense the desert eagle does not use any 45 rounds whatsoever. so spicy waffles started off wrong and ended even worse. the only variations ive heard of are the 44 magnum, the 357 magnum and the .50AE rounds

[hellhunter]

Standard round for Desert Eagle is .50AE. There are varieties of versions that use .357 or .44 caliber.

The AK in STALKER really sucks. The caliber is awful. AK should use 7.62 cal bullets. In real life AK47 can punch through a block of cylinders, in STALKER it takes 6-8 shots to kill an enemy (too bad in STALKER is AK74).

[dannyboy01]

AK-74 is a more up to date model using cheaper ammo and the abakan an-94 is a newer version all together.