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Commissar MercZ March 18th, 2013 11:11 AM

Steubenville rape case
 
So recently a verdict was reached in a fairly well-covered rape case in the United States involving some high school football players and a victim at a party. The courts gave fairly tame sentences of a year each with deferred judgement on whether or not to put them into the sexual offender data base.

Most of the defense focused on casting doubt on the victim, whether she had either given consent or her level of intoxication possibly being a factor in the rape. I was surprised honestly that this was even a consideration and seemed to have been attempting to shift blame from the attackers to the victim. Then there was this mind boggling thing on a CNN broadcast

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../17/rs.01.html

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POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I've never experienced anything like it, Candy. It was incredibly emotional -- incredibly difficult even for an outsider like me to watch what happened as these two young men that had such promising futures, star football players, very good students, literally watched as they believe their life fell apart.
Oh boy I really feel bad for them. Unfortunately that completely contradicts with what was found out about them.

The media stories mention the role of "social media", including an Anonymous outfit's role, but not much more than that. Among other things collected here by the Anon crew were things that were hardly secret, but simply being ignored or covered up. It displays attempts by the police to ignore some of the facts as well as the high school football team trying to twist the story in a weird attempt to salvage the team's reputation. The police were motivated later to try and launch a site to counter the claims from the anon cell that accused them of corruption.

Among other things here from the information gathered shows that those involved in this case, not just the two charged with rape, had a history of prowling for students to harass and rape, and ensuring that the victims' cases would never be followed up upon through intimidation.

You can read more of that here, it's a sad display of some people's idiotic actions.

LocalLeaks - Steubenville Files

Admiral Antilles March 18th, 2013 12:46 PM

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Building on this, an interesting spin from CNN. Featuring the very line you quoted good Mercz.


From this news cast I really feel as if CNN doesnt agree with the outcome of the trial. They focus on how the 'promising' lives of the two guys have been ruined...

Who gives a shit? They raped someone. They deserve what they get because they committed a CRIME. What did they expect the judge to do, let them off on community service?!

Kalessin March 18th, 2013 01:27 PM

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College Basketball Star Heroically Overcomes Tragic Rape He Committed | Video | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Everyone knows that if you're smart or athletic, you can do whatever you want and treat plebs however you please.

It's absolutely sickening. ;r

Rikupsoni March 18th, 2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Commissar MercZ (Post 5688444)

Most of the defense focused on casting doubt on the victim, whether she had either given consent or her level of intoxication possibly being a factor in the rape. I was surprised honestly that this was even a consideration and seemed to have been attempting to shift blame from the attackers to the victim. Then there was this mind boggling thing on a CNN broadcast

It is rather dangerous if they wouldn't ask any questions in case of rapes. A case from this year is that a woman falsely accused men of rape 11 times.

Though in this case, if I recall correctly, they had some photos and a video so it was rather clear?

Regarding the point whether the victim's actions can be a factor in a rape, certainly they can be. Though saying that alout will create a hysterical shitstorm. Drinking yourself unconscious is a major factor in possibly causing some problems, whether it's passing out outside during winter and dying, or getting abused like this. If I keep my wallet in my trousers' back pocket, that can increase the risk of it being robbed, though of course it doesn't make it my fault either. It's just a realistic approach. In some countries the risk of being raped can be increased by not wearing a veil, in some by wearing a miniskirt. Take for example the popular tourist destination in Bulgaria, the Golden Sands, there is a major problem with sexual harrasment, acknowledging the risks is realism. That either doesn't make it anymore acceptable though. Especially since drinking a lot of alcohol and wearing "sexy clothes" is a norm in such parties like in this case.

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Who gives a shit? They raped someone. They deserve what they get because they committed a CRIME. What did they expect the judge to do, let them off on community service?!
Well, I felt bad for the 2007 school shooter here. His father uploaded an emotional video of his son to Youtube, it's not so that you can't feel bad for a criminal. But yeah, in this case they seem like complete douchebags. I'm more interested in how the community felt about them because they're athletes. I know the American stereoptype of 'jockeys' and general respect for athletes like free university degrees that would be a ridiculous idea in most of Europe.

Kalessin March 18th, 2013 03:57 PM

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Of course a girl's behaviour can be a factor in the cause of rape. But other than that it bears on whether consent was or was not given that sort of thing has no place in a courtroom.

IIRC studies show that girls who dress more modestly are more likely to get raped because it's seen as a sign of shyness and rapists tend to be looking for people who won't fight back anyway. So claiming that a girl's a bit of a slapper is just. Woosh.

Commissar MercZ March 19th, 2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikupsoni (Post 5688490)
It is rather dangerous if they wouldn't ask any questions in case of rapes. A case from this year is that a woman falsely accused men of rape 11 times.

There are false reports for all sorts of crimes. But that doesn't discount the real crime of rape.

The problem isn't that these questions weren't being asked. They were. The problem is that there was evidence to show that this was not a random attack and was in fact planned by the attackers.

Instead of taking the young girl's claims seriously the community discouraged it because they wanted to keep the image of the team intact. Even as it became obvious she wasn't lying about what happened to her, they kept attacking her.

The media didn't treat her sympathetically, and even accidentally leaked her name when media is supposed to protect the name of the rape victim. This set her up for attacks across the country.

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Though in this case, if I recall correctly, they had some photos and a video so it was rather clear?
Video, audio, social network, statements from other young women. It's all in the link that was posted above- all pretty available to get, the police ignored it early on and the community played hysterical woman card here. They had video of them abusing and raping the young girl, laughing about it, and bragging they did it.

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Regarding the point whether the victim's actions can be a factor in a rape, certainly they can be. Though saying that alout will create a hysterical shitstorm. Drinking yourself unconscious is a major factor in possibly causing some problems, whether it's passing out outside during winter and dying, or getting abused like this. If I keep my wallet in my trousers' back pocket, that can increase the risk of it being robbed, though of course it doesn't make it my fault either. It's just a realistic approach. In some countries the risk of being raped can be increased by not wearing a veil, in some by wearing a miniskirt. Take for example the popular tourist destination in Bulgaria, the Golden Sands, there is a major problem with sexual harrasment, acknowledging the risks is realism. That either doesn't make it anymore acceptable though. Especially since drinking a lot of alcohol and wearing "sexy clothes" is a norm in such parties like in this case.
Doesn't matter tbh. When someone gets raped, that's because the attacker made a conscious decision to do so. The blame is completely on the attacker in those cases, the magnitude of the attack shouldn't be waved off by what ever condition the victim was in. People shouldn't be living in fear of these kinds of things, or have to fear from this victim blaming mentality that seems to come up, blaming women for these actions because they dressed suggestively or got drunk is the lowest of lows.

From the website again,

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After being convinced, with some amount of coaxing - to attend the parties that night with the "Rape Crew" by Mark Cole's girlfriend Santoro, Jane Doe was picked up at a volleyball team party she was attending in the early evening of August 11th and transported in a vehicle with Richmond, Mays and Cole in it. Jane Doe was administered a "date rape" drug snuck into her drink almost immediately, possibly while still in the vehicle enroute to the nights "festivities". In any case, she has no memories after being picked up. The first party of the night was at the home of Assistant Coach Rick Cameletti, where Michael Nodianos, Charlie Keenan, Cody Saltsman, and Anthony Craig were already engaged in heavy drinking and drug use. At this location Jane Doe was raped multiple times by Richmond and Mays and at least two other assailants from the "Rape Crew". At that point the "party" went on the move. They first stopped at another Assistant Coach's home, Coach Belerdine. Both Belerdine and his sister were present at this time. Jane Doe was again sexually assaulted at this party. They hit the road again with an unconscious Jane Doe in tow. While en route to Mark Cole's house, Jane was again raped and sodomized in the back seat of a vehicle - and this was video recorded by Mark Cole who was in the front seat. Her attackers in the car were again Mays and Richmond. Once they arrived at Mark Cole's house Jane Doe was carried to the basement where she was again raped multiple times by multiple attackers, one of which was Michael Nodianos. Also at the Cole residence, Jane Doe was orally raped by Trent Mays. Finally, having sated themselves and exhausted any further entertainment that Jane Doe could provide for these animals, she was unceremoniously dumped (still unconscious) onto the front lawn of the Cole residence - where at least one member of the "Rape Crew" proceeded to urinate on her. At some point in the early morning hours of August 12th, a semi-conscious Jane Doe was transported to her home in West Virginia.
Those guys were going for the intent to rape her. Maybe she should have not gone in the car and attended parties, but you might as well tell young teenage girls never to leave their house and live in fear. At the end of the day these guys were the ones who raped her, she can't be blamed for their decision.

Kalessin March 19th, 2013 07:04 PM

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If it would have stopped her getting raped, it does matter. If it's good advice on how not to get raped, then it should be shouted from the treetops. Provided that it's reasonable and effective.

People shouldn't have to live in fear. But we lock our doors at night. There are some people, who you've histories with, and their friends that you simply do not go somewhere alone with, or ... anyone who reacts to frustration with anger and violence for instance. There are kinds of people who you do not make yourself vulnerable to. That's not the same as having no social life mind, which isn't reasonable, nor is it the same as living in constant fear.

And if you are going to go out with people like that, then you should at least take some sensible safety precautions: like not accepting drinks, having check in times with people you trust, making sure people know where you are and with who.

None of which excuses the actions of these disgusting... creatures... that did this to her. But I don't think he intended to. It does seem like that I admit, because the only time a lot of people venture any opinions on how to prevent rape is when someone's raped and that makes it look like they're just saying it to let the rapists off the hook. You know? It's bad advice given at the worst possible time, when someone's at their lowest. It's reasonable to feel something along the lines of: Where was your advice when it could have done someone any good? And why is your advice so bad if you care at all? If you cared, you'd do your homework and spread it around at other times than just when it was in the news. So, it does seem a lot like an excuse. But then you think that people might not realise that not getting raped has any complexity at all if they've done absolutely no homework. Lots of people don't seem to have anything to be afraid of, so maybe that's just how reality looks to them. Maybe the social implications of avoiding rape really seem the same as the social implications of locking your door at night from a certain point of view.

Looking at the pictures on that site is really... it just makes me unspeakably angry. There's some disgusting stuff in this world. A few years for this sort of organised rape isn't anywhere near enough, and not nearly enough people have been charged. The police let the girl down in their investigation, (whether through corruption or incompetence,) her parents let her down via failing to forewarn her appropriately and arm her with more maturity. The boys, the school, the community that was trying to keep the image of the team together; hell, I'm not even going to talk about those, things. Everyone who should have been looking out for a child let her down.

Maybe we can move this in a more constructive direction though.
If people honestly do believe that the victim, in a non-excusing the crime way, shares some of the responsibility for the event, then it seems like there's a lot of low-hanging fruit in publishing useful anti-rape advice rather than talking about the girl being drunk or dressing up provocatively.: If you don't want to get raped, what can you reasonably do to avoid a situation like this?

Something I and my sister were told when we first started going out drinking was: If a drink's been out of your sight, at all, just don't touch it. I do wonder sometimes, whether if more girls had better parents and got advice like that and kept up with their kids social lives, and we were told more about who to trust and why, and it was emphasised more that you do not go anywhere with people you do not trust. Whether there'd be a lot less of this sort of shit.

Adrian Ţepeş March 19th, 2013 07:49 PM

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Well that would imply a responsibility on the parents' part. Who the hell ever heard of that?

Kalessin March 19th, 2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrian Ţepeş (Post 5688729)
Well that would imply a responsibility on the parents' part. Who the hell ever heard of that?

Responsible education about adult issues based on the idea of treating your daughter as a real person, rather than as a total helpless retard who needs you sitting there with a shotgun and ineffectually threatening her boyfriend? What sort of weird liberal sissy land do you live in? :p

Adrian Ţepeş March 19th, 2013 08:30 PM

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Well...I don't really want to talk in great detail about it, but let's just say a family member tried dating a family friend who was more traditionally religious than we were and...yeah.

It didn't work out so well. Oh, we're still friends (in a platonic sense), but it's not the same. My parents have a deep-seated sort of resentment for the whole thing, unsurprisingly.

Ahh...well...life goes on I suppose.

Kalessin March 19th, 2013 09:36 PM

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Of course it does. And while we're talking about such grim subjects everything can seem a bit hopeless. But it's worth remembering that there's icecream, and the laughter of children, and good books and friends, walks in the park with warm sunlight on your skin, and a generally softer side to the world.

It's really not a great idea spending a lot of time talking on this sort of incredible emotive subject with any sort of regularity I think. Not unless you have the ability to emotionally isolate yourself from it and look at it as a problem or you're actively involving yourself in fixing the issue. Otherwise you may well make yourself miserable for no good reason. It's the sort of discussion you have to ration your coping resources for.

That's one of the reasons I tend to resort to snark/humour when things seem particularly depressing. I suspect it's one of the reasons that some people's response to tragedies tends to be to try to excuse it where they can actually. The world is less horrible if it's one silly girl rather than a rape culture.

I'm sorry someone you know had to go through anything like that.

Crazy Wolf March 19th, 2013 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikupsoni (Post 5688490)
It is rather dangerous if they wouldn't ask any questions in case of rapes. A case from this year is that a woman falsely accused men of rape 11 times.

Though in this case, if I recall correctly, they had some photos and a video so it was rather clear?

Exactly. Ask all the fucking questions you want. In this case, however, you've got a metric fuckton of evidence against the rapists. This wasn't any "he said, she said" issue. The fact that only two guys got jail time, and only one and two years, respectively, seems a grievous miscarriage of justice.
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...Regarding the point whether the victim's actions can be a factor in a rape, certainly they can be. Though saying that alout will create a hysterical shitstorm. Drinking yourself unconscious is a major factor in possibly causing some problems, whether it's passing out outside during winter and dying, or getting abused like this.
Being drunk can cause impaired consent, which is generally regarded as not consent. Being drugged unconscious cannot be construed as consent.
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If I keep my wallet in my trousers' back pocket, that can increase the risk of it being robbed, though of course it doesn't make it my fault either. It's just a realistic approach. In some countries the risk of being raped can be increased by not wearing a veil, in some by wearing a miniskirt. Take for example the popular tourist destination in Bulgaria, the Golden Sands, there is a major problem with sexual harrasment, acknowledging the risks is realism. That either doesn't make it anymore acceptable though. Especially since drinking a lot of alcohol and wearing "sexy clothes" is a norm in such parties like in this case.
She was with her peers and ostensibly friends. Would you say that it is reasonable to expect to be raped by your classmates? Because saying that out loud sounds pretty fucking paranoid, right? Like, even if it is true, it really shouldn't be, and we should do everything we can to change that?

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...I'm more interested in how the community felt about them because they're athletes. I know the American stereoptype of 'jockeys' and general respect for athletes like free university degrees that would be a ridiculous idea in most of Europe.
It is fascinating in a sick way.
BTW, "jocks" would be the best word. "Jockey" refers to horse racers.



So, what're the lessons to take away from this?


1. Assume, as a female, you will be raped.

2. Assume, if you're a male football star, that you can rape as you please, and both the shitty town that revolves around your success and the national media will have your back. I mean, c'mon, it's not like women are people or anything! ;r

Kalessin March 19th, 2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Wolf (Post 5688741)
She was with her peers and ostensibly friends. Would you say that it is reasonable to expect to be raped by your classmates?

That depends on which classmates you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Crazy Wolf (Post 5688741)
Because saying that out loud sounds pretty fucking paranoid, right?

No, under some conditions it sound quite sensible. You're putting all classmates in one group. If your classmate is known to be part of a group called the Rape Crew, you're not paranoid to expect to be raped by him. If your classmate wants to take you off with a group of his male friends to his coaches house away from people who aren't part of their in group, you're not paranoid to be massively cautious about it.

You can even see it in animals: packs of young males corralling the female away from others so that they've got her to themselves. It's not like the pattern of behaviour is unprecedented as a danger signal.

It's not like all situations and all classmates are the same.

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Originally Posted by Crazy Wolf (Post 5688741)
Like, even if it is true, it really shouldn't be, and we should do everything we can to change that?

The most obvious thing you can do to change it is just to kill all the men. You wouldn't do that but hopefully you get the idea. What causes someone to become a rapist is one of these horribly complex issue of culture where there are lots of things you can do that are potentially going to make it worse. The last thing anyone needs is going to be an attitude of something must be done, this is something, therefore we must do it.

It would be better if there were fewer rapists around, but heading off the whole lot under the heading of it shouldn't be true doesn't make it not true. There are some situations that people should be scared of. Because they're legitimately scary. If you can become scared more productively, of the right things, then that's an improvement. Fear helps keep you alive and safe, if you know what to be afraid of.

Though ideally you shouldn't have to be scared of anything, that's not the world we live in. And people admitting to fear of being raped are not necessarily unjustifiably paranoid as you seem to suggest.

Adrian Ţepeş March 19th, 2013 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Wolf (Post 5688741)
Exactly. Ask all the fucking questions you want. In this case, however, you've got a metric fuckton of evidence against the rapists. This wasn't any "he said, she said" issue. The fact that only two guys got jail time, and only one and two years, respectively, seems a grievous miscarriage of justice.

2. Assume, if you're a male football star, that you can rape as you please, and both the shitty town that revolves around your success and the national media will have your back. I mean, c'mon, it's not like women are people or anything! ;r

I remember during one class, the instructor mentioned how it's a fact (and from we read in the news, I'm inclined to agree), that the better you look (physically or career-wise), you're going to get a lighter sentence than someone who "seems" dangerous.

Flash525 March 20th, 2013 05:00 AM

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Hang Them (the rapists). Promising lives, yeah sure. More excuses for them to go and recommit the crime in a more popular role.

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Originally Posted by Admiral Antilles (Post 5688454)
Who gives a shit? They raped someone. They deserve what they get because they committed a CRIME. What did they expect the judge to do, let them off on community service?!

Quoted for truth. A year seems awfully lax in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Kalessin (Post 5688470)
Everyone knows that if you're smart or athletic, you can do whatever you want and treat plebs however you please.

Ain't that the truth.

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Originally Posted by Kalessin (Post 5688505)
Of course a girl's behaviour can be a factor in the cause of rape. But other than that it bears on whether consent was or was not given that sort of thing has no place in a courtroom.

Whether she was drunk or not I think is somewhat irrelevant. If both parties were drunk (and there is proof of such) then yeah, it can be debated, but if it was just the girl that was drunk, then these football players should have known better than to take advantage. It's really that simple.

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Originally Posted by Kalessin (Post 5688505)
IIRC studies show that girls who dress more modestly are more likely to get raped because it's seen as a sign of shyness and rapists tend to be looking for people who won't fight back anyway. So claiming that a girl's a bit of a slapper is just. Woosh.

I have a hard time believing that to be honest.

Kalessin March 20th, 2013 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash525 (Post 5688770)
Whether she was drunk or not I think is somewhat irrelevant. If both parties were drunk (and there is proof of such) then yeah, it can be debated, but if it was just the girl that was drunk, then these football players should have known better than to take advantage. It's really that simple.

I have a hard time believing that to be honest.

I read it some time ago and can't find the text of the study off hand. There doesn't appear to be a great deal of conclusive evidence for either position, which suggests to me that even if there is an effect it would be incredibly weak.

Most of the research I've seen supporting the idea that provocative dress leads to a higher chance of rape does so via inference from the idea that getting normal males to rate female attractiveness necessarily correlates with their chance of being raped. But if rapists are cowards who select their victims based on their feeling that they can get away from it that wouldn't hold.

I believe the study I'm referring to is:

Chen Shen, Study: From Attribution and Thought-Process Theory to Rape-Shield Laws: The Meanings of Victim’s Appearance in Rape Trials, 5 J. L. & FAM. STUD. 435, 447 (2003)

Which I don't think is available to the public without paying.

However, unless you believe that clothing is a strong factor, and I think you can find enough evidence fairly quickly to suggest that whatever the direction of the effect the effect itself isn't particularly pronounced, I've spent about an hour and a half trying to track down the relevant info. Since there are things like fighting back, keeping an eye on your drink, not going places with people you don't trust, learning to trust correctly; I think that's probably a reasonable investment. There's lower-hanging fruit, in other words.

Flash525 March 20th, 2013 06:25 AM

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I have to leave for work very shortly, so I've not got the time to write out a lengthy reply (which, in my opinion, is needed). ;) I'll update this later, or add another post, whichever.

Commissar MercZ March 23rd, 2013 10:20 AM

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This is an op/ed about it but I think it is a relevant account, as the circumstances of her experience was similar to this one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/23/op...y-of-rape.html
Spoiler:

March 22, 2013
Waking Up to the Enduring Memory of Rape
By EMILY YELLIN

Memphis

THIS is what I know. When I was 16, after most everybody had left a big, alcohol-fueled party in a hotel suite, I passed out drunk. Then, a star football player at my Memphis high school picked me up off the floor, carried me to the bed and raped me. His girlfriend and one other male classmate were also in the room at the time. They did not stop him.

That was three decades ago. I don’t bring it up much. But it still comes up sometimes, in my head, anyway. Especially when I hear of a highly publicized rape, like the recent one in Steubenville, Ohio.

I do my best to block out those news accounts, and the cavalier talk and portrayal of rape in movies, on TV, online and in music. It is not because I have not come to terms with what happened to me, but because I have — slowly and privately. I feel frustrated and marginalized when I see how out of touch and ignorant our culture is about what rape really is and its effects. So it seems easier to try to be unconscious of all that, as I was when the whole thing first happened.

But the Steubenville case is so similar to my story that it has been more difficult than usual to ignore the news this time. When the verdict came down, convicting two football players of raping an unconscious 16-year-old girl, I realized once again, from reports on TV and comments online, that most people tend to do what I did for decades: numb ourselves to the effects of rape. We deny its impact, rage if we ever have to confront what it really is, and feel annoyed that it doesn’t just go away. It all seems easier than facing rape down. In the long run though, it isn’t.

Until now, I never wanted to write about what had happened to me for all the world to see. But I know that keeping quiet about it is part of why stories like mine continue to be so common. For every documented rape case, I know there are hundreds more like mine that remain off the record. And so we all remain unconscious about the true nature and extent of rape in our society.

Like the girl in Steubenville, I don’t recall much about the attack. The only thing I remember clearly is the next morning, when the football player’s girlfriend gently nudged me from sleep. She was fully dressed and standing by the bed. She had apparently slept on the floor all night. I was lying next to him with no clothes on. He was sound asleep. The other guy was asleep in a chair.

She gathered my clothes for me, helped me get dressed, and we slipped out the door without waking the two boys.

When we got in her car, I said: “I just have one question: What was I doing in bed with your boyfriend?” She said, “I was going to ask you the same question.” I said I didn’t know, and she said she didn’t, either. There was not much emotion between us, just a sisterly kindness, and we were pretty quiet during the rest of the ride. We never spoke of it again.

Six months later, the other guy told me more. He said he and the girlfriend had huddled on the floor at the opposite end of the room as it happened, not knowing what to do, and didn’t feel that they could stop the guy, because he was bigger and stronger than us all. He also told me that the football player said he was scared the next morning when the two of them woke up. I didn’t understand why he would be.

In fact, I didn’t even realize it was rape until four years later, when I was 20, and told the story to a loving boyfriend in college. He helped me see that I had been sexually assaulted, and was there for me as I began to face the truth.

I told some friends after that, but I did not tell my parents about it until I was 27. I didn’t set out to tell them. But one night, they unknowingly kept insisting that the other guy in the room during the rape had been in love with me. He went to Yale, and he had been my boyfriend for three weeks when I was in seventh grade, until I dumped him for his better-looking little brother. My parents always really liked him. But my college boyfriend had helped me see that that guy was not my friend. So when my parents brought the guy up again as someone whom I should consider romantically, I told them the story of the rape. They never mentioned him again.

I did not tell any of my three older brothers until well into my 30s, which is when I finally got some good counseling for the effects. That is also when I began to get my share of unhelpful reactions, like the therapist who dismissed me, saying it wasn’t “real rape” and was so long ago that I should be over it by now.

I never reported the crime. Laws supporting someone who was raped were less common back then. And like many women and girls who have been raped, before and since, I knew I would have been blamed, ridiculed and even worse in court, and in public for being drunk, and for whatever else could be used to make it appear to be my fault. That’s how it went in Steubenville, and was amplified when graphic pictures of the attack were posted online. Brutal tweets mocked the girl’s character. And online death threats were directed at her after the verdict.

I found some power and peace in never doing anything much about what happened. In forgetting.

But I don’t forget. Every once in a while, I remember more. At some point, I had a flashback of his being on top of me, and of my saying no, and of trying to push him off me.

I see on Facebook that he has a wife and two kids — a girl and a boy. I don’t know if he has ever cared to understand what he did that night, or if he did it again when he went on to play football in college. The boys who raped the girl in Steubenville have had to face a measure of justice. The boy who attacked me never will. Unlike for me, it is easy for him to remain unconscious of it all forever, if he so chooses.

I read that one of the witnesses in Steubenville, an 18-year-old teammate, said in court this month that he did not try to stop the attack because he did not realize anything wrong was happening. “I didn’t know exactly what rape was,” he said.

I can relate. I imagine that the other children in that room with me that night can, too. But it is no longer forgivable not to teach young people — and boys and men in particular — exactly what rape is, and not to drill it into their heads that rape is not O.K., ever, even just a little bit.

Being unaware of its effects is not a viable excuse anymore for being clueless about rape, especially if you are a policy maker, journalist, entertainer or athlete, or anyone else who has a public platform. The world has to be safe for those who have been raped to talk about it to anyone, without shame, guilt, blame or fear of being branded by it for life, in the same way we talk about any other violent crime, like robbery or burglary — crimes that happen but do not define your whole being.

I know now. What happened to me that night was a serious, violent crime. I am totally conscious now. But I also want to know: How long will it take for our society to wake up, too — to confront rape fully and to do whatever we have to do to stop it?

Emily Yellin is a journalist and the author, most recently, of “Your Call Is (Not That) Important to Us: Customer Service and What It Reveals About Our World and Our Lives.”

Rikupsoni March 23rd, 2013 12:36 PM

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I do my best to block out those news accounts, and the cavalier talk and portrayal of rape in movies, on TV, online and in music. It is not because I have not come to terms with what happened to me, but because I have — slowly and privately. I feel frustrated and marginalized when I see how out of touch and ignorant our culture is about what rape really is and its effects. So it seems easier to try to be unconscious of all that, as I was when the whole thing first happened.
Hmm, even music lyrics and movies generally have cavalier talk about rape? I would like to be pointed out even one rape-friendly song, well, unless hardcore punk doesn't count. Quite a feminist buffoon viewpoint, being so obsessed with "traditional" gender roles and sex that you have to bring up inanite interpretations how rape culture is everywhere. If you're dating a politically correct feminist, you have to get consent by printing papers beforehand: "Name name, I have the consent to touch your waist. Date: ____ Signature ____". Otherwise it's easy to interpret it as rape, much like those cavalier rape movies.

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I can relate. I imagine that the other children in that room with me that night can, too. But it is no longer forgivable not to teach young people — and boys and men in particular — exactly what rape is, and not to drill it into their heads that rape is not O.K., ever, even just a little bit.
I do wonder whether rape happens because of that kind of a "rape culture" and whether it's that easy to knock down. So, men rape women just because we're so tolerant on it? So do we also have a murder culture? If we would teach young people that murdering people is not O.K., ever, murders wouldn't happen? That's ridiculous.

As for the replies to my earlier post; yeah the clothing part is quite a bit more silly, but criticism of passing out is not. I have an acquaintance who found a person who had passed out at temperature -25 C (-14 F), you can pretty much say he saved his life. Passing out means you can get killed, abused or robbed. If we're keen on changing culture, how about that drinking so much alcohol that you pass out is not cool.

Kalessin March 23rd, 2013 12:52 PM

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I find it hard to believe that's common as compared to date rape drugs. Similarly I find it hard to believe that anyone doesn't know what rape is. Did she consent? We can quibble about the semantics of quite how enthusiastically she consented and quite how clear consent has to be but there are very clear cases where she didn't. I don't believe that an 18 year old fucking an unconscious girl does not know that to do so is wrong. I don't credit it, I don't believe it - it's an excuse: play stupid.

As far as changing culture goes: There's a very self-centred entitlement culture in much of the West. It's not particularly surprising that these sorts of rape cases tend to go along with small tight-nit groups of high-status individuals who have been led to believe that they can have what they want and do what they like. Nor that sociopaths tend to have extremely high self-esteem. The people who did this didn't expect anything to come back to them. They didn't even try to hide what they'd done really, not until the police came knocking. And even then arguably the police defended them, either by negligence or collusion.

You cannot raise people to think they're god and then be surprised when they fuck the mortals.

There needs to be a culture that idolises people less and promotes a sense of community based upon teamwork and fair and immediate consequences. Rape and murder and so on seem to large extents manifestations of extremely low social cohesion; of people not having an emotional or pragmatic stake in one another's wellbeing.

Asheekay March 23rd, 2013 08:51 PM

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No matter what the society is, you cannot stop some individuals from succumbing to their hormones and offending others.

After they have done this, you can either:

1 Take a mental health status of such people [like the murder cases] and let them off to a 6 months sentence in a mental asylum where they will prove their sanity and walk out soon.

2 Send them off to life imprisonment, in which case there will be an uproar from the media and human rights organisations about giving such a 'brutal' sentence for such a 'mild' crime.

3 Send them to the electric chair/gas chamber, in which case there will be criticism that the justice department is acting with revenge and the families of murder victims will also demand their criminals to be put to death sentence.

Its a bone in the stork's throat. You can't gulp it down and you can't regurgitate it.

Kalessin March 23rd, 2013 09:17 PM

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Even if you assume that some people are going to offend whatever you do, people will offend at different rates. And those are far from the only options available for addressing offences that do occur.


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