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Re: Steubenville rape case Of course it does. And while we're talking about such grim subjects everything can seem a bit hopeless. But it's worth remembering that there's icecream, and the laughter of children, and good books and friends, walks in the park with warm sunlight on your skin, and a generally softer side to the world. It's really not a great idea spending a lot of time talking on this sort of incredible emotive subject with any sort of regularity I think. Not unless you have the ability to emotionally isolate yourself from it and look at it as a problem or you're actively involving yourself in fixing the issue. Otherwise you may well make yourself miserable for no good reason. It's the sort of discussion you have to ration your coping resources for. That's one of the reasons I tend to resort to snark/humour when things seem particularly depressing. I suspect it's one of the reasons that some people's response to tragedies tends to be to try to excuse it where they can actually. The world is less horrible if it's one silly girl rather than a rape culture. I'm sorry someone you know had to go through anything like that. |
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BTW, "jocks" would be the best word. "Jockey" refers to horse racers. So, what're the lessons to take away from this? 1. Assume, as a female, you will be raped. 2. Assume, if you're a male football star, that you can rape as you please, and both the shitty town that revolves around your success and the national media will have your back. I mean, c'mon, it's not like women are people or anything! ;r |
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You can even see it in animals: packs of young males corralling the female away from others so that they've got her to themselves. It's not like the pattern of behaviour is unprecedented as a danger signal. It's not like all situations and all classmates are the same. Quote:
It would be better if there were fewer rapists around, but heading off the whole lot under the heading of it shouldn't be true doesn't make it not true. There are some situations that people should be scared of. Because they're legitimately scary. If you can become scared more productively, of the right things, then that's an improvement. Fear helps keep you alive and safe, if you know what to be afraid of. Though ideally you shouldn't have to be scared of anything, that's not the world we live in. And people admitting to fear of being raped are not necessarily unjustifiably paranoid as you seem to suggest. |
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Re: Steubenville rape case Hang Them (the rapists). Promising lives, yeah sure. More excuses for them to go and recommit the crime in a more popular role. Quote:
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Most of the research I've seen supporting the idea that provocative dress leads to a higher chance of rape does so via inference from the idea that getting normal males to rate female attractiveness necessarily correlates with their chance of being raped. But if rapists are cowards who select their victims based on their feeling that they can get away from it that wouldn't hold. I believe the study I'm referring to is: Chen Shen, Study: From Attribution and Thought-Process Theory to Rape-Shield Laws: The Meanings of Victim’s Appearance in Rape Trials, 5 J. L. & FAM. STUD. 435, 447 (2003) Which I don't think is available to the public without paying. However, unless you believe that clothing is a strong factor, and I think you can find enough evidence fairly quickly to suggest that whatever the direction of the effect the effect itself isn't particularly pronounced, I've spent about an hour and a half trying to track down the relevant info. Since there are things like fighting back, keeping an eye on your drink, not going places with people you don't trust, learning to trust correctly; I think that's probably a reasonable investment. There's lower-hanging fruit, in other words. |
Re: Steubenville rape case I have to leave for work very shortly, so I've not got the time to write out a lengthy reply (which, in my opinion, is needed). ;) I'll update this later, or add another post, whichever. |
Re: Steubenville rape case This is an op/ed about it but I think it is a relevant account, as the circumstances of her experience was similar to this one. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/23/op...y-of-rape.html Spoiler: |
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As for the replies to my earlier post; yeah the clothing part is quite a bit more silly, but criticism of passing out is not. I have an acquaintance who found a person who had passed out at temperature -25 C (-14 F), you can pretty much say he saved his life. Passing out means you can get killed, abused or robbed. If we're keen on changing culture, how about that drinking so much alcohol that you pass out is not cool. |
Re: Steubenville rape case I find it hard to believe that's common as compared to date rape drugs. Similarly I find it hard to believe that anyone doesn't know what rape is. Did she consent? We can quibble about the semantics of quite how enthusiastically she consented and quite how clear consent has to be but there are very clear cases where she didn't. I don't believe that an 18 year old fucking an unconscious girl does not know that to do so is wrong. I don't credit it, I don't believe it - it's an excuse: play stupid. As far as changing culture goes: There's a very self-centred entitlement culture in much of the West. It's not particularly surprising that these sorts of rape cases tend to go along with small tight-nit groups of high-status individuals who have been led to believe that they can have what they want and do what they like. Nor that sociopaths tend to have extremely high self-esteem. The people who did this didn't expect anything to come back to them. They didn't even try to hide what they'd done really, not until the police came knocking. And even then arguably the police defended them, either by negligence or collusion. You cannot raise people to think they're god and then be surprised when they fuck the mortals. There needs to be a culture that idolises people less and promotes a sense of community based upon teamwork and fair and immediate consequences. Rape and murder and so on seem to large extents manifestations of extremely low social cohesion; of people not having an emotional or pragmatic stake in one another's wellbeing. |
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