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This is why DOMA should always be protected and defended.

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Why?

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Last I checked, marriage wasn't about having kids. Last I checked, we have plenty of people on this planet having kids, many of whom society would probably benefit from NOT passing on their genes. Last I checked, religion had no place in law. And last I checked, there is plenty of stuff in the bible that nobody follows, much less tries to enforce on everybody.

But maybe I'm wrong. :clueless:

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OK show's over folks, everything is relative, rationality is irrational, black is white and no one is ever wrong, shut down the forum and go home.

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It's a different thing to acknowledge that values affect perceptions than to say everything is relative. These bills are concerning gay marriages and not polygamy for example, and that's because of values too. I wasn't commenting whether it's a good thing or not. But I doubt you're claiming that someone can live his whole life "rationally".

It's the same reason why we have democracy and not pure technocracy. It's just not possible. Democracy represents the values of the majority, whether one likes it or not.

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I'm claiming that someone can attempt to discuss the topic of gay marriage rationally, how about that? As opposed to shooting down rational questioning of archaic social institutions with a blanket assertion that the same degree of blind fanaticism underlies every possible opinion on the matter.What does democracy have to do with it? If I ask someone to justify their support for something I'm not asking them to call a public vote.

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For once that same-sex marriage is decided in a parliamentary vote usually, not in a court. The majority of the people can have one of these values for example: male-female marriage, sex-neutral marriage, polygamy, or hanging or outlawing gay people. Democracy, or authoritarian rule that has support, then reflects those views in the legislation. We don't deal only technical details by a vote, that's why it has to do with democracy.

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I don't think anyone was arguing about how these things are decided, I think it's the basis for those decisions that was being questioned.

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What, adoption and in vitro fertilization don't count? What about heterosexual couples that can't have children? A couple's ability to have children shouldn't be a requirement for marriage. I'm not even going to get started on the Biblical aspect.

If homosexuals want to be as miserable as heterosexuals, then yes, they should be allowed to get married and have all the same rights as hetero couples. I get that "marriage" has some kind of sacred meaning to it for some people, but when 40-60% of new marriages end in divorce, just how important is the term 'marriage' anyways?

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Hey the more love the better.

I have gay friends, why shouldn't they be allowed to marry? One couple I know love each other more than anything I've seen before. Who am I to stop that, infact I am jealous of the fact that they are so happy.

Why try to take something so important away when it makes no affect on your life?