Iceland planning to censor all Internet pornography
 

Iceland considers pornography ban - Telegraph

Iceland has had printed pornography banned for long, but after Internet came along it hasn't been updated and attitudes generally have been more lax towards that.

The Interior Minister of Iceland, member of the ecosocialist and feminist Left-Green Movement, Ogmundun Jónansson is considering to change that.

Of course, the argument is "please someone think of the children" and general anti-pornography feminist attitudes. Isn't it odd that in these questions the "progressive" feminists actually agree with the most conservative Christians that pornography should be censored?

A concern is that on basis of restrictions like these governments usually push the limits of censorship. A child pornography censorship list in Finland was leaked to Wikileaks and it contained non-pornographic material that was just wrongfully added by the police.

I think it's a perfect example why the so-called social liberalism paradoxically is not always very liberal. Forcing your own views that certain sexual depictions thought as illiberal are wrong and that consenting adults should be forbidden from producing or viewing such material, is social authoritarianism.

Needless to say, it doesn't only repress 'normal pornography', but homosexuality in the Internet and all kinds of kinks as well. How progressive.

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When pornography is illegal only those on protected networks will have pornography.

Which is also where the more extreme forms of porno are, and the more interesting forms of black market.

Hmm, I see a flaw in their cunning plan....

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Oh curse those radical feminists :rolleyes:

I'm going to have to look up more on this because I haven't heard of it. The earliest story on this comes from Daily Mail two days ago, so the sources or interpretation of this is questionable..

The earliest I can find about this in Icelandic news was two-three weeks ago in January when the interior minister floated the idea, which was shot down by a committee as unfeasible as far as I can understand it.

http://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/20...kki_ritskodun/
http://www.icelandreview.com/iceland...7211.news.aspx

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Iceland voted on the same-sex marriage bill in 2010. Not a single MP voted against it. Iceland is not a conservative religious country at all. Their prime minister is a lesbian.

Iceland has a quota of women in company leaderboards etc.

The first newspiece I read on this was from January 23 in the Reykjavik Grapevine:

"I am not fond of bans and I support freedom of expression," Ögmundur said. "But at the same time, I want to prevent access to a industry which profits from abusing people."

So yeah. Sex is always abuse towards women. It is indeed marketed with radical feminist and social liberal nanny arguments, not religious ones.

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That the industry profit from the abuse of women just requires that some in that industry abuse women. Though I suppose strictly speaking we'd demand that it be prevalent to make the comment worthwhile (i.e. above the background noise of just a few people fucking up) - still, I'm not sure that strictly follows given that the damaged goods hypothesis of pornography seems likely to be incorrect.

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Think of the children, you godless liberal =p

Sex was meant to be between a man and women in the missionary position in a closed room so no one can see what they're doing.

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For a country that prides itself on being the most progressive in the world, they're taking a fairly massive step backwards on this. Of course, unless they have a totalitarian government, their parliament will need to approve something like this.

Also known as backroom politics.

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Agreed; doggy-style is reserved for the public :p

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I'd actually support this. Pornography is far too easy to come across as of late, even if accidental.Actually, I'd say it isn't. Back when we were living in caves and hunting for food, I doubt 'the missionary position' was the most used.

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So your solution to something being, in your opinion, too easy to come across is to make it illegal. Wow, it's a good thing I'm not legislating my morality over you on that basis.

That just seems a principle that's going to go really badly wrong really quickly.

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Allow me to elaborate.

Pornography (and explicit content) is plastered everywhere these days; in films, on top-shelf magazines, on television adverts and, more commonly, the Internet.

If you want alcohol, you go out to shops to buy it, or take a trip down the local pub. If you want a new car, or a drive, you go to a race track or a garage. If you want pornography, you should need to go to specific places (such as .xxx domains) to get it.

It shouldn't be freely available to every Tom, Dick and Harry.

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Because? If you just didn't want a porn scene in the middle of your gunfight movie, I could at least understand it. But you don't want it to be easy for people to get because?... It really seems like you just want to make another church-law here.

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You speak as if pornography is as dangerous or unhealthy as alcohol.

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I agree to one part of your perspective. Pornography should indeed be out of the mainstream tv and internet. I am talking about those tv channels which are broadcasted for the general public, not people of a specific interest. It could continue on purely pornographic channels though. So that when a man watches a family drama with his daughter and young son, they don't all get embarrassed by the pornographic scene somewhere in the middle of it.

Its ok for movies to contain pornographic material but then they should have a pornographic rating. So that those who feel like watching them should have no hinderance and those who want to avoid it should know what to avoid.

So I think its not about being free or any such thing. Its about enabling those who want to avoid it, to be able to avoid it.

(i can't wait to see my rep page tomorrow and read all the negative reps there)

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This seems like making up a problem where none exists to justify a law. The internet is a demand based service, it's not like you're likely to just randomly wander into porn. Similarly the only show I can think of with porn in it recently has been Game of Thrones - and that was broadcast on HBO so it's not like people didn't know what they were getting themselves into.

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Yes well, most of us don't usually neg rep each other for having difference of opinion. Even if they are umm..."cynic." ;)

Also, what differentiates erotic sexual imagery from romance scenes? It's the tone and the theme, not the actions themselves.

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Cynical would be to see that as a ploy for rep, resulting from the hope that people would act so as to counterbalance the hypothetical actions of others.

You notice you can be recursively cynical?

The hope that people would act to counterbalance the actions of others is based in a fairly fluffy view of humanity.

That fluffy view of humanity is more appropriately labelled naivety.

But the world is soft enough that that naivety could persist.

But probably only for relatively rich people while thousands die in piss and shit and agony.

But at least they're not us.

I call it bipolar cynicism =p

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You always say the right things, big boy :naughty:

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I feel the same way, about movies where there are more than three people wearing hats.

Now don't get me wrong. I understand that hats are a part of life and that large numbers of people do tend to wear them (sigh), but that doesn't mean that I want to be exposed to it constantly, especially when I'm in the presence of family members who might not be ready to see that sort of thing or who might be more sensitive to it than I am. Fundamentally the reason I'm watching a movie is not because I want to see things that make me feel awkward or uncomfortable, but simply because there are too many hours until my eventual death to spend NOT watching movies.

So what I want to know is why there isn't anyone who caters to my needs, and who warns me when a movie or TV drama will contain sex/violence/language/more than three people wearing hats so that I'll know to choose something more wholesome instead? Or in other words, why do I constantly find myself watching movies with so much shameless hat-wearing when I think I've made it clear how much I don't want to see it? Why am I so powerless to avoid seeing things I hate?