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Training of new Afghan police suspended Article below. Past few months has seen a spate of attacks on American and other NATO soldiers by uniformed Afghan counterparts. This has gotten to the extent that this past July ended up being the deadliest in the Afghan war so far. This has prompted the usual calls from policy hawks on the current time table for withdrawal, but all around has generated some concern. As such the recruitment of Afghan soldiers has been suspended until they can check the status of those already within the military and overhaul future recruitment. Training suspended for new Afghan recruits - The Washington Post Spoiler: |
Re: Training of new Afghan police suspended Not a whole lot you can to do prevent such attacks, at least not with the limitations that NATO chose to impose on itself. If they stop training security forces then they might as well leave. |
Re: Training of new Afghan police suspended May as well leave anyway. What real aim does it support other than lining the pockets of the defence industry? Pissed off a lot of people that were little if any bother to the West. |
Re: Training of new Afghan police suspended I guess NATO got tired of getting their people shot in the back. |
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Look man, we're there to give these people a chance. Contrary to what you may believe, most Afghans don't hate the NATO forces there. They just want to live in peace. And they certainly don't want to live with the Taliban back in power. |
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Most Afghans are totally irrelevant to what I perceive to be our common interests. What difference does it make, on the other side of the world, whether some farmer likes us or not? If he likes us he'll ignore us, and if he dislikes us he'll do the same. As long as we aren't hated by him, which as long as we don't involve ourselves with his struggles we won't be, his fate is irrelevant to us. |
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If you ignore the suffering of a person close to you chances are that you commit a crime (failure to render assistance). Shouldn't the same principle apply, at least where theoretically feasible, in international politics? |
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A government (ideally) represents the will of the (majority of the) people (not necessarily congruent with the interests of the people), but has to do so within the constraints imposed by its constiution, which is usually based on moral guidelines. If those guidelines tell you to help people in distress unless you cannot do so without endangering yourself why shouldn't the same guideline be applied at an international level (theoretically they already are in the UN)? In practicality this only happens if a nation's other interests coincide with moral ideas (hence Afghanistan and Libya), but there is always room for improvement. |
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Do you really want a government to represent the will of the people? The will of the people often seems to be little more than cheerleading towards things that, if they were smarter or better educated on the issue, they wouldn't want. It seems to me you'd be far better off going with their interests; what they show themselves to value most; than their will; what they think will get them what they think they value, as the ideal goal of government. |
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Also, the 1812 war is a bad example as nations acted a little differently 200 years ago and as that war was not only motivated by greed but also by a number of British provocations. As for the will vs. the interest - that is how governments supposedly work, whether the idea is good is another question. |
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If you have a principle of trade instead, then it seems to me your risk of getting into a major shooting match go down. Whereas if you force your way whenever you think you've an edge, and everyone else does the same, that can get mighty expensive mighty quickly. But back when wars were fought with less dangerous weapons that is what countries did all the time. It's difficult to underestimate the impact that extremely destructive, protracted wars - such as the hundred years war - had on Western morality. We had to come to terms with the fact that if we kept fighting these sorts of large scale wars, increasingly fuelled by industry, we were effectively going to wipe ourselves out for very little gain. # And I'm really not sure it is in your interest to live longer. Quote:
I suppose the argument here would be that morality is often little more than the flavour of the moment - and when governments start following morality, rather than the interests of the people, that separates the interests of the state from those of the people. That government then becomes incredibly dangerous. It is doing something 'moral' but what it considers and acts upon is not necessarily what the majority consider moral, or would (and to my mind this is the more important one) care about and consider moral if they were smarter. The two sets of interests become completely uncoupled from one another. And when you force that on people it becomes oppression. It sounds fine to say that governments should do the moral thing, but that's only going to be the case as long as government is doing your moral thing. |
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I doubt that there is much they could do that would outweigh the long term benefits of doubling your territory and adding a few million people to your work force. Not to mention natural resources and local industry. As for living longer - I don't think you will be able to convince a lot of people that it is not in their interest to live longer. Quote:
Constitutional democracies have so far achieved a greater degree of freedom than any other form of government, so I really doubt that oppression stands at the end of basing your society on moral ideas. Especially if you are talking about the idea of rendering assistance to people being oppressed. |
Re: Training of new Afghan police suspended Ah Afghanistan, the place where empires go to die. Eh, either way doesn't look good for NATO. Withdraw, and Al Qaeda and the Taliban regain strength, possibly another Islamic Emirate will arise in Afghanistan, or resume terrorist attacks on the nations of the Free World. Stay there and more NATO troops will take the fall, either by turncoats or extremists, money will be continued to be spent, or mundane political repercussions. |
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