This made me quite angry (Chick-fil-a and gay marriage)

[Adrian Ţepeş]

Spoiler:

This is something my cousin posted on her facebook. I'm not, in this instance, angry because of the whole Chick-Fil-A opposing gay marriage, but the overall message of the sign. I know that "Family Values" are often interchangeable with Christian values, but if you're going to say "Family Values" it should be that you mean families in general, otherwise you should say what you mean, "Christian and Conservative values."

[wjlaslo]

I agree, I think the American public, at least, has been exposed to this so long that now we hear the word "family" in the title of a company, or "family values" in a sentence, and we know we're about to hear some anti-gay stuff. I wish they would stop using that phrase and just say 50's white America upper lower middle class values, because that's what the overall ideal world seems to be for them.

"Family values" means getting your kids a good education, teaching them life lessons, and helping them get on their feet as adults. It has nothing to do with LGBT rights (as far as legal marriage, adoption, tax statuses, etc goes) and I get annoyed that the social conservative movement has been using it differently.

For a minor aside on the CFA business, Chick-Fil-A has the right to say whatever they want about gays, and we have the right to drive their business into the ground through boycotting and bad press. (Free speech and economic freedom and all that) The CEO should have asked his PR guy about this first, now CFA reaps the rewards. It's all on him.

[eezstreet]

I'm surprised that FF's Pub hasn't posted an article about the whole Chick Fil-A incident to be quite honest.
While Chick Fil-A makes some damn good chicken, they've always struck me as somewhat devout Christian people, especially given that they're closed on Sundays and operate in predominantly southern/Anti-LGBT areas such as Mississippi. Still, gotta feel bad for all of those indifferent employees working at Chick-Fil-A who are just trying to make an honest buck.

[Adrian Ţepeş]

Well, to be honest, there's not a whole lot you can say. As far as I (and most of us) know, they are perfectly within their rights to hold that opinion, not to mention closing on Sundays. I mean, it's not like they're refusing sales to gay people.

[BinaryMouse]

I think its a little cold hearted of the company to do, but its not like im not going to buy there fries because of it. (im vegetarian) Although I am christian, I have to disagree with them, probably 6/10 of my friends are gay, or lesbian. (art school) I havent seen an instance in the bible oppressing gays, and even if there is, its a book. I mean, I believe there is a God, or some almighty force to create a univers, but thats so reason to freak out and follow every word of the bible. Its been rewritten and translated a million times, and it might not even be real! I think the human mind just cant compromise some things , so we end up with these lunatics who make other christians look bad. Our local paster always says, "Dont be weird people, that doesnt make people want to join your religion"

[Adrian Ţepeş]

Well, that's one way to look at it

[Silberio]

I can only think of bigotry as the only reason to these things... There's no political, economical or intelligent reason to be a gay-hater or whatever those call themselves.

Myself, I'm pretty conservative. I like cultures and languages and like to keep them clean, free from other thoughts and so on, but that only applies me. I won't force anyone to change the way they view culture and language because I dislike it. Same applies to many people I know, and this is what these overly conservative bigots fail to see, and on the road, they give a bad name to christians (as an exmaple), exactly the way BinaryMouse put it.

Hell, I'm writting pretty much out of anger right now too.

[Warborg]

Here's my take on the sign, To me 'family values' declares marriage between man and woman with kids.

While I believe family values and Christian values are different, they can follow similar paths at times. I know atheist families that don't support gay marriage.

Because of the owner being Christian and the sign is support of him...I can understand the confusion.


Side note: I think this whole thing got blown way of out control...everyone has a right to their opinion.

[Emperor Benedictine]

Originally Posted by Warborg

While I believe family values and Christian values are different,

So how do family values differ from Christian values, and how do conservative Christians manage to reconcile these differences?

[Silberio]

I see it this way (I might be wrong): family values are specific to the family in question, while christian (family) values are specific to christian people, or simply any family who wants to take the christian way as values in their family.

For example, my brother has two kids and wife, and he's not christian, but he does teach his children values, most of which are things like freedom of choice and thought, not to discriminate, not to be stupid, common sense and basic things like that, none of them based on religion, but more on how he has seen works good for them and what will give their children the necesary knowledge and morals to "behave well" in life, and nothing with christianity or anything.