Why am I always getting the impression that people who hate religion are more outraged by these types of things than the people who are actually effected by them?
I think people who hate religion probably do have a tendency to be outraged by outrageously stupid things. It's just a feeling I have.
Though I admit, this is the first I've heard about this Chick-fil-A business. I guess I'll go and ask some gay Americans how they feel about being discriminated against before I make up my mind.
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I know you didn't, but you seem to be heavily implying that Christians, because of their beliefs, are generally good-natured compared to those without Christian/Religious beliefs.
The Christian sounded like a bit of a pussy to me. >_> Just saying. You go up to someone who's just assaulted your son and wave your other cheek in his face he's liable to give you a smacking.
Violence begets violence. Somebody has to break the chain. The Christian did not sound weak to me.
Besides, which is a clearer demonstration of strength, and control? Getting mad and fighting back, or withstanding the blows. What would Superman do?
Also, if you don't throw a punch, you can't be blamed. This makes it clear that you were the victim. Makes things easier in court.
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I know you didn't, but you seem to be heavily implying that Christians, because of their beliefs, are generally good-natured compared to those without Christian/Religious beliefs.
Well, that is what Christians are brought up to expect, even though the Bible clearly teaches the opposite. It is the goal, not the reality.
Tell me, my friend, have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?
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Violence begets violence. Somebody has to break the chain.
If they're not careful, they're going to find it being broken over their head.
Violence, in the context of conversation, is another bargaining chip. One that the cops are liable to use at least the implication of when they turn up too.
It will not accomplish long-term reform - at least not without using huge amounts. Coercive models of justice do not work well. However, it will allow you to control someone who you would otherwise be unable to as long as the immediate threat of violence is present. Both in the lead up to a situation, he may never go there if he knows you'll go there too, and in the situation itself.
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The Christian did not sound weak to me.
He gave an ineffectual threat - which may well be taken as a challenge. Do it again and I'll call the police. Oh yeah? Fuck you motherfucker. No, I'm sure the guy's real scared now. The police that might turn up in twenty minutes and aren't even on their way.
If the case ever goes to court, which it probably won't, he says you attacked him and you say he attacked you. Chances are the police won't even look for him very hard. And if he's the sort of arsehole he sounds like, he's going to know that.
If you're going to talk to an angry person open with a question. It helps to interrupt the style of thought that keeps someone attacking. They've got to think about their answer. Fixes their attention on you. Don't tell them to calm down or ask them what their problem is, that'll just set them off more. Ask if they're okay.
Stand slightly side on to him so he has to move to attack you in the first place - makes the hands look more natural too....
Have your hands out placatingly (subtly - don't have them stretched out at full extension in front of your or anything. Hang them naturally off the end of your arms) so they can't sucker punch you - also looks good if it's on the CC, since everyone can visibly SEE that you weren't just going up to him to insult him. Establishes a physical barrier to keep him at a safe distance so he can't get up in your face.... And people gesture lightly with their hands all the time when they speak.
Son ought to be getting back in your car while this is going on.
You can't just rock up to someone and be all like 'You shouldn't be doing that, stop it or I'll call the police.' If they back down, they'll look weak. You need to recognise that a dominance contest is going on and get ahead of that.
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Besides, which is a clearer demonstration of strength, and control? Getting mad and fighting back, or withstanding the blows. What would Superman do?
Also, if you don't throw a punch, you can't be blamed. This makes it clear that you were the victim. Makes things easier in court.
I'm not pretty enough to get my face smashed in just for the moral high ground in court. Some of us have to preserve what little good looks we have.
It will be interesting to see where the United States goes with hiring laws in the future. Technically speaking, there is nothing in federal current code that bans discrimination based on sexual orientation (as a reminder, it currently covers "race, color, religion, sex, or national origin", with amendments for disabilities, age, military history). It has been up to states and localities to add such provisions, and attempts to do so nationally have gotten no traction. The states that have such provisions on the ground for discrimination based on sexual orientation are "California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin" as well as Washington D.C., and some local authorities. Beyond that it'll be up to the corporation or place of business to make a stand against it.
Of course no one's yet to prove that there's an unspoken hiring policy with regards to homosexuals at Chic-fil-a, but it's a safe bet to say that a manager is not punished if he does fire someone for it.
latimes.com
Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day draws crowds, company gratitude
By Rene Lynch
4:05 PM PDT, August 1, 2012
Hey, Chick-fil-A, are you feeling appreciated?
The fast-food chain was overrun on Wednesday by men, women and children wanting chicken sandwiches, cross-cut fries -- and to voice their support for the company that finds itself under fire for taking a position against same-sex marriage.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee declared Wednesday to be Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, and urged Americans to show their appreciation with their wallets.
Now, we can't tell you that we personally checked with each and every one of Chick-fil-A's 1,615 locations in 39 states and Washington, D.C.
But we can point out this growing photo collection on Huckabee's Facebook page of people in Illinois, Colorado, South Carolina and elsewhere mobbing Chick-fil-A outlets. Some lined up in the summer heat to get inside a store, while others waited in cars as far as the eye (or the camera) could see for a chance to place their orders at the drive-through window.
Interest in Chick-fil-A was just as intense in the online world. For much of the day, "Chick-fil-A" was a trending topic on Twitter and the most-searched-for term on Google.
A representative for Chick-fil-A declined to discuss sales figures, but issued the following statement to the Los Angeles Times: "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day was not created by Chick-fil-A. We appreciate all of our customers and are glad to serve them at any time. Our goal is simple: to provide great food, genuine hospitality and to have a positive influence on all who come into contact with Chick-fil-A."
PHOTOS: The Chick-fil-A controversy
Huckabee's declaration was intended to counter the fury recently directed at the company. The outcry began when Dan Cathy, president of the fast-food chain, spoke out publicly about how the company proudly abides by Bible-based principles and, as a result, opposes same-sex marriage. "Guilty as charged," Cathy said, adding that Chick-fil-A supports "the biblical definition of the family unit."
This wasn't exactly news to the LGBT community, which has long criticized the fast-food chain for donations to campaigns and causes it sees as opposing gay rights. But Cathy's comments landed at a time when the country is more fractured than ever about the issue of same-sex marriage.
The flap seems unlikely to end soon. Fox News is reporting that supporters of same-sex marriage plan protests -- including "kiss-ins" -- at Chick-fil-A restaurants nationwide on Friday.
I saw that the one near where I live was fairly packed too. I guess they really came out to show that they can't be bullied by insidious "gay agenda".
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And the gays are going to come in on Friday? Wow Chick-fil-a is getting alot of business this week.(I bet they won't be allowed in unless they buy food).
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