Re: This made me quite angry
 

I think people who hate religion probably do have a tendency to be outraged by outrageously stupid things. It's just a feeling I have.

Though I admit, this is the first I've heard about this Chick-fil-A business. I guess I'll go and ask some gay Americans how they feel about being discriminated against before I make up my mind.

Re: This made me quite angry
 

I didn't say that and don't put words in my mouth. I was asked to give an example and I gave ONE. I never said it was the normal.

Re: This made me quite angry
 

I know you didn't, but you seem to be heavily implying that Christians, because of their beliefs, are generally good-natured compared to those without Christian/Religious beliefs.

Re: This made me quite angry
 

The Christian sounded like a bit of a pussy to me. >_> Just saying. You go up to someone who's just assaulted your son and wave your other cheek in his face he's liable to give you a smacking.

Re: This made me quite angry
 

Violence begets violence. Somebody has to break the chain. The Christian did not sound weak to me.

Besides, which is a clearer demonstration of strength, and control? Getting mad and fighting back, or withstanding the blows. What would Superman do?

Also, if you don't throw a punch, you can't be blamed. This makes it clear that you were the victim. Makes things easier in court.

Well, that is what Christians are brought up to expect, even though the Bible clearly teaches the opposite. It is the goal, not the reality.

Re: This made me quite angry
 

If they're not careful, they're going to find it being broken over their head.

Violence, in the context of conversation, is another bargaining chip. One that the cops are liable to use at least the implication of when they turn up too.

It will not accomplish long-term reform - at least not without using huge amounts. Coercive models of justice do not work well. However, it will allow you to control someone who you would otherwise be unable to as long as the immediate threat of violence is present. Both in the lead up to a situation, he may never go there if he knows you'll go there too, and in the situation itself.

He gave an ineffectual threat - which may well be taken as a challenge. Do it again and I'll call the police. Oh yeah? Fuck you motherfucker. No, I'm sure the guy's real scared now. The police that might turn up in twenty minutes and aren't even on their way.

If the case ever goes to court, which it probably won't, he says you attacked him and you say he attacked you. Chances are the police won't even look for him very hard. And if he's the sort of arsehole he sounds like, he's going to know that.

If you're going to talk to an angry person open with a question. It helps to interrupt the style of thought that keeps someone attacking. They've got to think about their answer. Fixes their attention on you. Don't tell them to calm down or ask them what their problem is, that'll just set them off more. Ask if they're okay.

Stand slightly side on to him so he has to move to attack you in the first place - makes the hands look more natural too....

Have your hands out placatingly (subtly - don't have them stretched out at full extension in front of your or anything. Hang them naturally off the end of your arms) so they can't sucker punch you - also looks good if it's on the CC, since everyone can visibly SEE that you weren't just going up to him to insult him. Establishes a physical barrier to keep him at a safe distance so he can't get up in your face.... And people gesture lightly with their hands all the time when they speak.

Son ought to be getting back in your car while this is going on.

You can't just rock up to someone and be all like 'You shouldn't be doing that, stop it or I'll call the police.' If they back down, they'll look weak. You need to recognise that a dominance contest is going on and get ahead of that.

I'm not pretty enough to get my face smashed in just for the moral high ground in court. Some of us have to preserve what little good looks we have. ;)

Re: This made me quite angry
 

It will be interesting to see where the United States goes with hiring laws in the future. Technically speaking, there is nothing in federal current code that bans discrimination based on sexual orientation (as a reminder, it currently covers "race, color, religion, sex, or national origin", with amendments for disabilities, age, military history). It has been up to states and localities to add such provisions, and attempts to do so nationally have gotten no traction. The states that have such provisions on the ground for discrimination based on sexual orientation are "California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin" as well as Washington D.C., and some local authorities. Beyond that it'll be up to the corporation or place of business to make a stand against it.

Of course no one's yet to prove that there's an unspoken hiring policy with regards to homosexuals at Chic-fil-a, but it's a safe bet to say that a manager is not punished if he does fire someone for it.

Re: This made me quite angry (Chick-fil-a and gay marriage)
 

Seems "Appreciation Day" called by social conservatives here worked wonders for Chick-fil-a:

Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day draws crowds, company gratitude - latimes.com

I saw that the one near where I live was fairly packed too. I guess they really came out to show that they can't be bullied by insidious "gay agenda".

Re: This made me quite angry (Chick-fil-a and gay marriage)
 

So that it what that image was about. I didn't even see the date at the bottom until now.

Re: This made me quite angry (Chick-fil-a and gay marriage)
 

And the gays are going to come in on Friday? Wow Chick-fil-a is getting alot of business this week.(I bet they won't be allowed in unless they buy food).