I don't like sex all that much. It's exhausting. Honestly, a few years ago I used to be depressed that I'd never had a girlfriend or anything, but then I went to university and found out that I'm just... not that kind of person, I guess? Made the discovery that I hate being social, going out, meeting girls, having sex. Had a few girlfriends but every time I was with them I was just so bored. I'd rather have a few rounds of TF2 than have a few rounds of... Yeah.
Really? I find that surprising, mainly because I am a man.
Why were you doing all the work? I think that is the issue
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People wanna go in having meaningless sex, well good for them. I though, think it should be more then that, you don't right on, meaningless sex ftw? But I'm 99.9 percent sure that not all and I didn't say every girl, but a few aren't going in for the meaningless sex. Well the guys I know will do anything to get laid and pretend to want something more when they really don't, they just wanna get off.
Yeah not all girls do, not all guys do but some do and the ones who do have 'meaningless' sex should be allowed to do what they do happily and be accepted as long as nobody gets hurt etc.
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Originally Posted by Alakazam
There is another subject that I missed earlier (on my initial post) though I believe some people here have commented on it (though not directly). Suffice to say; fuck buddies, or friends with benefits. Anyone here have such a relationship, or has anyone here had such a relationship in the past?
I am having and have had experiences that are not as blunt as 'fuck buddies' but are along the same lines.
There is this one girl who I got with at a party (close friend of a mate) but then she got attached after meeting up only a few times and that mainly involved going out then sex. I thought I would be honest and tell her, obviously she was upset and still is and I do feel bad. Well, she is hot is the problem. I have 'cheated' on the current girl I am seeing (more on that in a second) with Flo and know that if I want any, I can easily go to her. yeah it is tempting but I feel bad cos she gets attached to people fast according to her friends.
At the moment I am seeing a girl who I get along with but it is a purely casual relationship and more 'sex on a weekly basis' that anything else. She is a lovely girl, have known her for a while and helped me out with my ex etc. (being friends with both of us). Problem now is that I am starting to develop feelings, I asked her about 'us' and she basically said she wants to keep it casual and see how it goes. That can either mean stay how it is or slowly get better. It is a shame because I am starting to get attached and she doesn't appear to be and I don't want to make a fuss over what she could see as nothing.
Anyway, the sex is good
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Originally Posted by Sedistix
If a guy has sex with 5 girls, he’s “the man” with his buds. A chic does it, she’s a slut. Is this fair? Fuck yea it is, and I’ll explain why. Being “the man” is not easy. Scoring with attractive women is not as easy as it sounds. A lot of effort has to be applied. One must be financially secure, charming, witty, well dressed, attitude, ect. A wide variety of variables all must be in alignment for it to be successful event. How difficult is it for a woman, and I mean ANY woman? Be it a slender fit chic, or a deuce and half with moles and a herpes outbreak? She just has to be there, and willing, someone will invariably come along and hit it.. So yeah, its completely fair. The differences between all of it, go back to the basics. Guys are the accelerators, and women are the brakes. The rules on promiscuity do not apply equally.
HELL YEAH!
It is expected for men to make the first move, to be the charmer, to look good to the girl. Girls get to choose to a certain degree. If a girl wanted to she could easily pull somebody who is not as good looking at her if she put out, because that guy would be happy and settle for somebody who he would deem better looking. Look at most fo the 'slags' around your area and even celebrities. 8/10 of them are actually not that good looking but get it because they put out.
The term 'shes easy' is only for girls for a reason. You will never see a girl say "that guy is easy".
You’re right, poor people always get the best looking chics. Homeless guys too. The fancy car, clothes, ect. This materialistic stuff plays absolutely no role at all…
You should know that isn't what I meant at all.
Nine out of Ten times, those that have a one night stand are going to be the result of a night out after drinking alcohol. The fancy car and clothes aren't going to play as much a factor (if any) at this point. Not to mention, most people would probably get a taxi back to wherever it is they're going.
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What sells everything we buy? How much T & A must you see before you see the connection? Sex can and does sell, just about everything. Part of that undeniable biological imperative, manipulated, weaponized and marketed. Everything else pales to sex appeal. Before I die, among the few things that will flash before my eyes, there be some very special women with whom I had the privilege of knowing, intimately.
This is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
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Sure they do, for all of the obvious reasons.
For obvious reasons, you, and those like you who sleep around are going to label yourself as studs. Those like me, and others who don't sleep around are going to label you and others that follow suit as sluts.
That's the harsh fact here, and one that isn't going to change. That isn't meant to sound offensive either, it's just a point of view.
In regards to the video you posted, that isn't relevant because its only a select view of a small number of people. If I wanted to prove a point, and asked random people their views on said subject, I'd edit the video to show only the views that I'd want others to see.
I should have known? I’m sorry you’ve mistaken me for someone else. I didn’t attend Hogwarts, nor do I have potions that grant me absolute accurate interpretation of others statements. By my understanding, that’s exactly what you said. Albeit indirectly implied, nevertheless, it’s still there…
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Originally Posted by Alakazam
Nine out of Ten times, those that have a one night stand are going to be the result of a night out after drinking alcohol. The fancy car and clothes aren't going to play as much a factor (if any) at this point. Not to mention, most people would probably get a taxi back to wherever it is they're going.
You sure you’re not being conservative there, and my what interesting statistics too. Where did you happen upon them?
The more you talk about this, the more I’m convinced that you have absolutely no experience whatsoever about that which you speak. Especially the pseudo statistical information, 9 out of 10... I also admire the attempt to narrow this discussion into the area of your choosing, one night stands. Some kind of ethical high ground perhaps? Must not forget, my statements concerned friends with benefits or “fuck buddies”.
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This is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
Irrelevant too you perhaps, but not the topic at a hand.
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For obvious reasons, you, and those like you who sleep around are going to label yourself as studs. Those like me, and others who don't sleep around are going to label you and others that follow suit as sluts.
I actually don’t sleep around and I don’t believe I said that I do either. I may have advocated friends with benefits, and recounted stories of decades ago, but openly stating that I sleep around. No...
Kudo’s on the cheap personal attack though, among other things...
Admirable behavior right, yet considering the medium, not to surprising...
I'll level with you. When I was released I had gone without sex for a great long time, and that was years ago. Even as free as I am now, I'm a recluse with no use for women or men, or society in general. I've probably got most priests beat, and I mean the legit one's too, forget about the child didllers.
I did however live once, when I was younger, saner, and freer... Which probably means my current opinions about this are extremely conservative when juxtaposed with the reality of things.
So, as long as we’re personalizing things. In my case, I had an excuse for celibacy. What's yours if you don't mind me asking... (though don't, because it's rhetorical and in all honesty I could care less.)
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That's the harsh fact here, and one that isn't going to change. That isn't meant to sound offensive either, it's just a point of view.
No worries. You can’t offend me.
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In regards to the video you posted, that isn't relevant because its only a select view of a small number of people. If I wanted to prove a point, and asked random people their views on said subject, I'd edit the video to show only the views that I'd want others to see.
That’s not relevant, that’s not relevant…. Sounds familiar...
By all means, continue parroting that sentiment while most of world rushes by, satiated & content. Well aware of the differences between what is, and what should be.
This is circumstantial, and based only around the society you grow up in. Guys being the accelerators gives them no more reason to praise themselves for their deeds, and disapprove of the woman.
Arguably our different attitudes towards sex are to a certain extent a function of our biology. Women have to invest six months in a child - a man, if he's not having much fun, maybe six minutes. Thus it makes sense for a man to go and sleep around - after all if he fucks twenty ugly birds it's not like he can't fuck a fit one tomorrow. While for a woman - well she's got to pick how to invest that resource.
This is also, I would imagine - to an extent, the motivation for cheating. A woman 'wants' to get the best genetic material from another father and trick the person she's got a formal relationship with into taking care of it. Whereas the man wants to spread his material around as far as possible.
And if you iterate that behaviour for hundreds of thousands of years before people get a hold of birth control then you get different parts of your brain wired up to the pleasure centres for different parts of the species. People who didn't like to have sex - or liked having it in the wrong contexts - were less successful as propagators of their pattern.
Heck, it may even explain why ugly, broken, or low self-worth women tend to be the sluts of the world.
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If men are sleeping around with these woman (which they are), then these guys know that they're sleeping with sluts (by their definition at least). It doesn't make a blind bit of difference to them before the actual 'achievement', only after does their view change. What does that say about the guy in question?
There's definitely a function of the social context in there. Guys don't get known as The Man for sleeping with hookers a lot. If you do it that way it's not an achievement.
The way I think of it, there are a few simple statements that I apply to sex.
1. Sex is just a pleasurable action between two (or more) consenting adults.
2. Making love and sex are two different things.
3. All parties must know whether you're having sex, or making love.
4. Actions have consequences.
5. As long as it's consensual, anything goes. (Parties must be adults and able to make proper decisions by themselves, so no children, sheep, horses or mentally handicapped.)
6. Don't shove someone's face in it, or if you do - expect to be called on it.
Interesting. I hadn't thought of it that way before. But you're right, just calling it "sex" when it is with someone very special just doesn't seem right.
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There's definitely a function of the social context in there. Guys don't get known as The Man for sleeping with hookers a lot. If you do it that way it's not an achievement.
It would be considered cheating. Not by monogamous standards, but by game standards.
Woman control sex. Figuratively speaking, they are the tree, men must climb. The post earlier about sex strikes is just a tiny example. Cut away all of the patriarchal nonsense and it‘s women who rule that domain, lest that challenge be overcome forcefully, but that doesn’t count. Like hookers, but far worse.
Take lipstick. Around for ten thousand years. Always with one color being sold and produced more than any other. Red. Why red? Well to mimic the labia minor of course. Clothing presented a significant challenge to non-verbal communications. What better way to advertise a “come hither” than mirror the effect on the only orifice visible? Desmond Morris popularized this in his bestselling book "The Naked Ape”. The word labia itself, translates to lips. Red lisptick emphasizes a resemblance between upper and lower labia, subversively advertising genitalia when the world wont allow the real thing..
Ever seen a baboon in heat? Note the similarities.
Secondary sexual characteristics are exploited too the max because they’re the only thing left. Anything less has been deemed immoral, or indecent. Now with men, there is little to emphasize. While women have saline tits implanted at record levels, and there’s always some new cream, topical ointment or surgical procedure in development for them, when it comes to men. It’s pretty much still the comb and deodorant standard.
If they ever organized with an agenda...
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I should have known? By my understanding, that’s exactly what you said. Albeit indirectly implied, nevertheless, it’s still there
I was talking specifically about one night stands following an alcohol fuelled night out. Granted I probably should have been more specific with my definition. But on the subject on alcohol-fuelled one night stands, little to none of the objects, other than physical appearance, are going to make any difference to the end result.
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You sure you’re not being conservative there, and my what interesting statistics too. Where did you happen upon them?
Like I've just mentioned, I was specifically on about alcohol-fuelled one night stands. Whilst I was basing my experience on these specific occasions though, it seems more likely this is where they'd take place (that's logically thinking, not statistically). I wouldn't have thought it all that common to meet a stranger in a Library or McDonalds only to end up in bed with them a few hours later, never to see them again. I'm sure it happens, but it wouldn't be all that common compared to the typical alcohol-fuelled occasions.
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The more you talk about this, the more I’m convinced that you have absolutely no experience whatsoever about that which you speak. Especially the pseudo statistical information, 9 out of 10...
I've just explained this. Look up.
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I also admire the attempt to narrow this discussion into the area of your choosing, one night stands.
Discussions are all about various areas of the same subject. Excuse me for narrowing it down for a moment.
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Irrelevant too you perhaps, but not the topic at a hand.
I know all about the topic; I was the one who started it.
In general, you're saying that it's okay for a guy to be labelled as a stud because it is a harder accomplishment for him to sleep with a girl. You've said also that it's okay to label girls as sluts because it's easy for them to have sex with a stranger, especially those who might not be deemed as the more attractive sort.
Not only do I find this arrogant, I also find it sexist. You're practically saying that Men are better than Women for practising in the same routine.
From my point of view, the two are the same. I wouldn't label a guy a stud, and a woman a slut if they're practising in the same game. They're either both sluts, both studs, or just generally both people. They shouldn't have, nor need a label.
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I actually don’t sleep around and I don’t believe I said that I do either. I may have advocated friends with benefits, and recounted stories of decades ago, but openly stating that I sleep around. No...
Truth. I would apologise for my mistaking otherwise, but your current attitude doesn't seem to suggest that you'll care.
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Kudo’s on the cheap personal attack though, among other things...
There are no personal attacks here though, that's just the thing. I've even clearly stated in my previous post that I haven't meant to offend anyone. You are the one who appears to have a problem with the discussion, or at least aspects of it. Your attitude, sarcasm and condescending remarks could be done without.
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So, as long as we’re personalizing things. In my case, I had an excuse for celibacy. What's yours if you don't mind me asking... (though don't, because it's rhetorical and in all honesty I could care less.)
Rhetorical question or otherwise, if you'd read everything I've posted I've partially answered your rhetorical question already.
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No worries. You can’t offend me.
I'm glad.
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Arguably our different attitudes towards sex are to a certain extent a function of our biology. Women have to invest six months in a child - a man, if he's not having much fun, maybe six minutes. Thus it makes sense for a man to go and sleep around - after all if he fucks twenty ugly birds it's not like he can't fuck a fit one tomorrow. While for a woman - well she's got to pick how to invest that resource.
This is also, I would imagine - to an extent, the motivation for cheating. A woman 'wants' to get the best genetic material from another father and trick the person she's got a formal relationship with into taking care of it. Whereas the man wants to spread his material around as far as possible.
Quite possibly the harsh truth.
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Heck, it may even explain why ugly, broken, or low self-worth women tend to be the sluts of the world.
Oddly enough, I happen to know of a fair number of fairly hot looking girls that sleep around.
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There's definitely a function of the social context in there. Guys don't get known as The Man for sleeping with hookers a lot.
I can't argue with that, but then I'd have thought it only desperate guys (who probably can't score elsewhere) that would pay someone to sleep with them, thus the stud-status wouldn't apply.
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2. Making love and sex are two different things.
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I hadn't thought of it that way before. But you're right, just calling it "sex" when it is with someone very special just doesn't seem right.
I can agree with this.
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5. As long as it's consensual, anything goes. (Parties must be adults and able to make proper decisions by themselves, so no children, sheep, horses or mentally handicapped.)
What about physically handicapped? We've all heard of the wheelbarrow position, what about the wheelchair?
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Originally Posted by Sedistix
Woman control sex. Figuratively speaking, they are the tree, men must climb. The post earlier about sex strikes is just a tiny example. Cut away all of the patriarchal nonsense and it‘s women who rule that domain, lest that challenge be overcome forcefully, but that doesn’t count.
What about physically handicapped? We've all heard of the wheelbarrow position, what about the wheelchair?
Physical handicaps don't impede the mental process and your ability to make decisions. As long as that's not impaired, I see no problem with it. (Yes, this also means that I am against sleeping with people who are stoned/drunk off their ass so far they can't make a proper decision. Coherent choice is the most important aspect in what goes, and what doesn't.)
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