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Crusader August 14th, 2011 03:56 PM
Re: UK Riots
 
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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt (Post 5545291)
I hate to tell you this dude, but if you approached most of the rioters while espousing your love of Christ, you'd quite probably be called 'a gay'.

Or get your face bricked in.

Thats what happens when we live in a country we cant back a .44 magnum.

The One and Only August 14th, 2011 04:02 PM
Re: UK Riots
 
Err, what happens in a country where you can't pack a .44 magnum is that you occasionally get riots where a lot of property is destroyed, but very little death and injury is caused. I for one think this is for the best. (the lack of death and injury, not the rioting)

Crusader August 14th, 2011 04:03 PM
Re: UK Riots
 
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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5545296)
Unjustified hope is not a good thing, it stops people from taking effective steps linked to the reality of their situation. There's no reason to believe that God and his Kingdom are coming to save them - and anyone who tells them otherwise is a liar and a cheat.
No, because its not a lie and at some time, it will happen.

Crusader August 14th, 2011 04:04 PM
Re: UK Riots
 
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Originally Posted by The One and Only (Post 5545310)
Err, what happens in a country where you can't pack a .44 magnum is that you occasionally get riots where a lot of property is destroyed, but very little death and injury is caused. I for one think this is for the best. (the lack of death and injury, not the rioting)
Rioters would think twice if people could blow them away with shotgun when they try to smash other peoples stuff.

The One and Only August 14th, 2011 04:19 PM
Re: UK Riots
 
You mean the rioters who now have much greater access to firearms? Yeah I'm sure they're going to be really intimidated.

Crusader August 14th, 2011 04:21 PM
Re: UK Riots
 
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Originally Posted by The One and Only (Post 5545317)
You mean the rioters who now have much greater access to firearms? Yeah I'm sure they're going to be really intimidated.
Because they live in a society when the common man hasnt got anything so them with a few guns think they rule the show.

Now if the Commonman had guns, they'd have "Victims" that can shoot back.

Nemmerle August 14th, 2011 04:35 PM
Re: UK Riots
 
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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 5545311)
No, because its not a lie and at some time, it will happen.
Whether it will happen or not is besides the point. The issue is whether it is reasonable to believe it will happen on the basis of available evidence. Regardless of whether he exists, those who assert that it is reasonable to believe in the existence of Yahweh are lying.

Your belief that he actually does exist does not change that fact.

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 5545315)
Rioters would think twice if people could blow them away with shotgun when they try to smash other peoples stuff.
You can't just declare open season during riots. You have to be able to account for all the people who get shot.

Stratopwn3r August 14th, 2011 04:44 PM
Re: UK Riots
 
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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 5545315)
Rioters would think twice if people could blow them away with shotgun when they try to smash other peoples stuff.
Doesn't England have very strict laws when it comes to defending ones property?

I thought that you had to be in active danger before you are allowed to defend your property. If I am right, your argument is incredibly flawed.

Crusader August 14th, 2011 04:50 PM
Re: UK Riots
 
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Originally Posted by Stratopwn3r (Post 5545357)
Doesn't England have very strict laws when it comes to defending ones property?

I thought that you had to be in active danger before you are allowed to defend your property. If I am right, your argument is incredibly flawed.
thats why I said "if they could"

The law here doesnt let people defend themselves properly.

I think I make it clear that we cant have guns or defend our property, but should be able too

Nemmerle August 14th, 2011 04:56 PM
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Your use of force must be both necessary and reasonable in defending yourself or others, or in defending property, or in preventing a crime. Based on the facts as you honestly believed them to be.

There's nothing innate about British law that requires you to retreat or to let someone destroy or steal your property. There's not even anything that rules out the use of a first strike.

However, you will have to justify that use of force later as being necessary to stop the criminal. Which requires both that your use of force fall within very precise limits and - ideally - that you be able to prove it, (or at least give the jury very good reason to believe it.)

That is the step that most people fall down on. Self defence is not a warrant to just go around blowing people away.

Technically we have incredibly lax laws on self defence - if you're good at talking and setting up a situation you can get away with a hell of a lot.


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