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That's a good argument.


This isn't because it's too general. I didn't say I expected a correlation between owning any type of phone and not being poor but between owning a higher end phone and not being poor.

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Well, there is unfortunately a degree to which these issues overlap. But I would say it's more about poor job prospects and lack of aspiration than any particular race or culture.

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The problem is not that an underclass has been "allowed" to develop. The problem is that an underclass was encouraged to develop under our previous government. All of those yobs on the streets are seeing their hand outs being reduced or eliminated through fraud crack downs, free council houses are no longer for life etc. Breeding (paid for by the taxpayer) will no longer be an acceptable career option.

Without trying to sound overly political, only the terminally stupid in the UK did not know we had this coming. The problem was encouraged, since all of these people are voters, and it doesn't take a quantum physicist to realise that given a choice of voting for:-

1) A party that would keep giving them free handouts, and sending them to counselling courses instead of prison when they occasionally get caught in criminal acts or:-

2) A party that would take a chainsaw to their abuses of the welfare schemes and punishing crimes harshly when they realise how bad the criminal benefits system is. (oh, sorry. Criminal justice system. It's hard to forget the difference when you don't get any appreciable punishment for minor crimes like robbery and any long term sentences you get your house paid for, which leads to criminals dragging the trials out long enough to pass the paperwork buying a really expensive house for the tax payer to pay for)

It's a failure of absurd idiocy that police officers have been complaining about for years.

Magistrates are little happier. The army blokes in the UK quite fancy a crack at the problem, but understand they won't get asked, because the politicians don't like the idea of the solution that the military is enthusiastically discussing implementing on their sites.


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Yeah, so incredibly poor. They can't afford to eat... oh, wait. Scratch that. Well, they are so poor that they can't afford clothes... oh wait. Scratch that. Well, at least they can't afford high end luxury goods like smartphones, playstations, xboxes, tv's and computers. Oh wait. Scratch that.

Well, they can riot and smash the place up to show that they can do!

BBC News - London rioters: 'Showing the rich we do what we want'

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Yep, Wolverhampton was definitely hit. The very same street I used to work in, in fact, right opposite the local newspaper headquarters (rioters just happened to hit a jewellery store in their rampage against 'the government'). They like it when the news comes to them.

A poignant reminder that the rioters don't know why they are doing it. They don't care about the damage they're causing. They're clueless, remorseless scumbags, part of an entire class of clueless, remorseless scumbags who have developed over the last ten to fifteen years. They have a massive sense of entitlement, without the work ethic or ambition to warrant it. You can all thank the Labour Party's long period of government for their arrival.

Frankly speaking, if we were to let these riots reach a high point and then set the army lose on them, as the comic in the post quoted rightfully suggests, we wouldn't miss any of the casualties. Britain could do with a bit of 'spring cleaning' in its populace.



As though all this rioting wasn't bad enough, we now have the 'English Defence League' talking about 'helping' the police deal with the 'rioters', which basically means stomping on 'brownskins' no doubt. The EDL is marching in Telford on Saturday, so even though we've escaped the riots, we'll have some lovely street fighting instead. All bars and clubs in the region they're hitting are going to be closed that day, to give you a hint of what's expected.

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You can give people all the pretty trinkets you want but at the end of the day if they've nothing they can dream of achieving within the paradigm of your society and nothing to take pride in, then they're not well off.

These people aren't oppressed, well no more so than anyone else is by being stuck in a people zoo - aka school - for the first fifteen years of their lives with crap teachers and no real adult input, they're not even particularly poor in a monetary sense. They just don't have a stake in society.

They're criminals - culturally educated criminals. You offer these people money in return for obedience they'll take it, fuck you over and laugh about it. Why shouldn't they? Unless you can hold a soft form of power over their heads - work with us to get your dreams, have a bit of pride - then you have to use a hard form of power. Fuck with us and we'll kill your families, burn your house to the ground and salt the earth. If you're not willing to do so why should they keep their word to you? You're just too weak to respect.

And the option that British government has chosen is?.......... Neither. To let the situation run unchecked for decades. Well done, Britain. Go back to sleep.

One of the first people to appear before the courts over this - 31 year old teacher. It's not about the money.

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This veteran writer/broadcaster gives his accounts of potential motives behind the riots. Not sure of his credibility, but the video has gone viral fairly quickly. I only included it, because I can’t seem to find blogs that don’t link back to this interview gone awry.

He basically describes the riots as an insurrection of disenfranchised youths. Who have long since been victims of widespread systematic racial profiling and authoritative abuse. The interview was for me at times, intelligible. Could be my notebook‘s sub-par sound system, the accent, or both…

What’s the story on this guy. Real vet with “writing broadcasting” credentials? Or some loon pulled out of the wood work for an elaborate propaganda run?

Oh and the news lady on here. She did try to bait self incrimination, mildly..

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What are the EDL saying? Let's look at their website.

English Defence League | Blog | Urgent Call for Action - Clean-Up Operations

Well, that looks really sinister.

To be fair, if we had looting around here I would turn up to provide a disincentive to loot the shops. Making a citizens arrest is perfectly legal, and has been since time immemorial.

Well, let's look at the BNP.

“Call your friends� – Nick Griffin urges our people to stick together | British National Party
Horribly sinister! Helping old people by making sure they can eat and drink and stopping them getting mugged on the way to the shops. The horror.

Well, it does look like the shoe is on the other foot. The BNP and EDL have been called crazies for years for saying that these communities (ie, the ones they live in) are full of thugs and criminals and wanting to do something about it. Now, to look at it another way it kind of looks like they are responses to this criminal underclass having developed.

These people are broadly speaking the law abiding citizens from those communities. For years the major political parties didn't want to hear what they wanted to say about the problems they had. For years they were dismissed. Now the problems in their communities are spread to riots across the country and other people aren't happy about it and want something done.

Funny that.

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Like so many other radicals, though, what they are saying and what they actually do will almost certainly turn out to be two completely different things. The people in charge may genuinely mean what they're saying, though I doubt it. The sorts of people they attract, though, are often no better than the rioters on the streets. Neither the EDL nor the BNP have reputations for being 'peaceful and community-minded'. The fact that half of my town is being closed on Saturday because of an EDL presence is testament to that.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Somewhat surprising, although it might be that many young teachers flock to the far reaches of the political left. Sucks that those guys are teaching kids in the morning and burning down houses in the evening though.

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He is a political activist who was a member of the British Black Panther Movement in the 1970s. His journalistic career includes working as editor of Race Today magazine as well as several TV documentaries centering around the subject of race.

His view seems to be that these riots are a result of the police use of "stop and search" powers and is likely affected by the personal experiences of his relatives as he describes. I would say that genuine anger at the police probably accounts for a small fraction of these occurrences at best, since much of the violence we've been seeing hasn't been directed at the police, but rather at the owners of local businesses. Overall, there are a lot of political factions trying to pin convenient motives on the rioters at the moment.

Truly terrible interview on the part of the BBC, though... she can't even get his name right at the start. If they thought his background or the activities of his relatives made him an unreliable source then he shouldn't have been on the programme in the first place.A 31 year old "primary school worker" living at home with his parents isn't really knocking down the stereotypes.