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The rioters (AKA stupid people), actually make me ashamed to be british. So much so, that I want to leave this country, right now, and never ever look back.

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Originally Posted by SuperSmeg (Post 5543060)

The rioters (AKA stupid people), actually make me ashamed to be british. So much so, that I want to leave this country, right now, and never ever look back.

It is shameful, a lot of angry people. All they are doing is making things worse. How is this going to change anything I wonder. I had the same sentiments some years ago with the LA riots. It started over some of the very same BS and in the end it cost the city millions, cost lives and made the poor communities even poorer.

Now this is something that doesn't happen often, London citizens taking back the city from the rioters:
http://news.yahoo.com/londoners-stri...155127609.html

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Originally Posted by Red Menace (Post 5543020)

Why do these events happen and how could the status quo be altered in a positive way? I'm not trying to troll, I'm honestly asking what are the societal ills plaguing Britain and how could they be so easily fixed?

The events of the past few days are simply a more organised form of street crime. What is it about the UK that can breed this seemingly purposeless violence on such a large scale? Well primarily poverty, joblessness, the growing gap between rich and poor and the lack of social mobility. Essentially, the fact that an entire underclass has been allowed to slowly develop in the UK with no prospects and no relationship with the wider society.

I'm not suggesting that these problems are easy to solve... on the contrary, it's generally far more expedient to leave this underclass to rot on benefits and watch as their general uselessness makes them into pariahs for a discontented public, while leaving the police to clear up the mess that results.

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Essentially, the fact that an entire underclass has been allowed to slowly develop in the UK with no prospects and no relationship with the wider society.

So, then would you say it is a failure of British multiculturalism? Or simply a rich and poor thing?

Multiculturalism is a misnomer.

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Originally Posted by Nemmerle (Post 5542970)

Apparently Blackberry Messenger is being used a lot for coordination of rioters movements. Some police nob has asked for it to be shut down and Blackberry have refused. With the knowledge that it's being monitored now though many of the rioters seem to be moving to messenger services in other jurisdictions.

So these poor, deprived, oppressed rioters all have blackberries? Does that seem like a non sequitur to anyone else?

I doubt possessing a blackberry defines class situation or income. The only non sequitur I see, is the faulty connection between blackberries and class status.

Seriously? I'd wager there is a correlation.

Blackberries are so 2005. Only poor people use them nowadays, rich folks would have iPhone 4s or Android-powered devices.

I'd get into how owning things which are seen as essential to functioning as a person in our current society is not exactly an indicator of wealth (a 1986 Honda Accord? Man, you've got a car? You must be loaded!), but my statement up above seems like a response that matches the question.

EDIT: Red Menace, there's been an underclass in England for far longer than there's been a Great Britain. It's just the color palette a painter must use when depicting a lower-class scene has expanded significantly, is all.

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Originally Posted by AlDaja (Post 5543045)

Nemm's, don't take this the wrong way, cause it isn't a jab just a realization. But, wasn't socialism suppose to fix all this?

When was there "socialism" in the UK?