Around 100 people have been arrested over the Birmingham riots since yesterday. Notably the violence has spread beyond the mass robbing spree in the shopping district with a police station in the Handsworth area (they like rioting over there) reportedly being set on fire. According to the news other major cities like Manchester, Liverpool and Bristol are experience similar outbreaks of violence now, too.
Still no obvious motive for any of it besides hooliganism, though this being England I guess you don't need much more than that.
Riots have spread to Nottingham, Liverpool and Bristol. It honestly seems to me to be an excuse for wannabe ASBOs to do some rioting and get some things they can't afford because they are too lazy to get a job.
This is about a black person being gunned down (which may have been justified), not looting, but I doubt most these rioters care about that now. Sure they would much rather have the new 40-inch TV...
Last edited by Keyser_Soze; August 9th, 2011 at 03:49 AM.
Interesting to see what happens when people realize that the police isn't able or willing to stop them.
I'm surprised that they don't just declare a curfew or martial law. This seems to go a bit beyond peaceful protesting.
The main issue lies with the fact Parliament isn't in session, so no effective legislation can really be undertaken, not that this justifies the extreme indecision.
However, Cameron has recalled Parliament in response, and additionally, Met officers on leave have been recalled. Hopefully, they'll stop being politically correct about this, and realise that a majority of people would support a crack-down by the police.
The main issue lies with the fact Parliament isn't in session
What?
Do you really think that parliament has to actually pass a new law for police to get out on the streets and break a riot up? Seriously!?!. There are hundreds of laws giving the police the power to do what they need to do dating back over the last millennia.
The problem is that the people in charge of the police are still buggering around with cuddly feely tactics. The riots across the country are a response to that, the anarchists on the streets know that the police response will be non existent and they can get away with it with no consequences.
This is the time to use an iron fist instead of the velvet glove. Rioting will stop immediately as soon as the anarchists/looters get the taste of tear gas followed by the repeated application of a truncheon and a pair of handcuffs.
/que wailing from left wingers that it's breaching their human rights, and their just victims of society blah blah blah. Fuck it. Their criminals and looters rioting because one of their gangsters shot at a policeman (with a pistol, ownership of which is in itself illegal) and ended up getting shot.
Deal with the problem now, instead of trying to justify their actions, seeing they have any support from muppets just provides them with encouragement. Agonise over the unfairness of looters getting dealt with after it's been dealt with and hypocritically criticise the "heavy handed" response in the safety provided from it.
Or provide an alternate workable solution to deal with the problem before it's dealt with. I'm honestly interested in how the British looney left would propose to deal with a riot without the use of force.
Do you really think that parliament has to actually pass a new law for police to get out on the streets and break a riot up? Seriously!?!. There are hundreds of laws giving the police the power to do what they need to do dating back over the last millennia.
The problem is that the people in charge of the police are still buggering around with cuddly feely tactics. The riots across the country are a response to that, the anarchists on the streets know that the police response will be non existent and they can get away with it with no consequences.
This is the time to use an iron fist instead of the velvet glove. Rioting will stop immediately as soon as the anarchists/looters get the taste of tear gas followed by the repeated application of a truncheon and a pair of handcuffs.
/que wailing from left wingers that it's breaching their human rights, and their just victims of society blah blah blah. Fuck it. Their criminals and looters rioting because one of their gangsters shot at a policeman (with a pistol, ownership of which is in itself illegal) and ended up getting shot.
Deal with the problem now, instead of trying to justify their actions, seeing they have any support from muppets just provides them with encouragement. Agonise over the unfairness of looters getting dealt with after it's been dealt with and hypocritically criticise the "heavy handed" response in the safety provided from it.
Or provide an alternate workable solution to deal with the problem before it's dealt with. I'm honestly interested in how the British looney left would propose to deal with a riot without the use of force.
Alright, I stand corrected. However, it has to be acknowledged that the fact Parliament isn't currently in session causes an illusion of a leaderless nation, as absurd as that truly is, causing the fuck-wits who are rioting to feel to an even greater degree that they can get away with it.
Nobody would complain if it was brutally put down. Personally, I'd approve... a bit less scum in society is always a good thing.
Politicians decisions or soundbytes are not required in any way, shape or form. Were every politician in the country to die of a heart attack overnight the nation would continue to run as before, and probably quite a lot better without inane interference designed to play well in the media instead of achieve anything useful. Politicians are not in charge of anything. This is not the US. Neither the police, the army or any other executive agency requires parliament. Hundreds of years ago, they managed quite well with parliament being in session an exception rather than the rule. Then again, that's because hundreds of years ago being a MP was seen as a irksome duty rather than a lifetime job for political power.
The simple truth is that 90% of laws that have been passed for decades are horribly written rubbish written simply to show that a politician or government was doing something, anything about an issue.
To quote a police officer "we don't need the army, we need the order to charge".
The police command is so scared at actually being sued by the disadvantaged and horribly misunderstood youth protesters organising mass rallies for the right to take anything they want without paying for it that they are paralysed with indecision. Who's fault is that? I blame politicians for messing around with the police system and introducing "elected head police" to make the police "more accountable". I don't want police worrying about popularity, I want them to arrest the bloody criminals.
It's not like we didn't see this coming, the Kaiser Cheifs predicted this years back.
I knew about the Riots in London, but Bristol too? I've literally just spent this past weekend in Bristol (Friday Night was at the Bristol Cider Festival). Everything seemed okay then; same goes for Saturday night ~ I was at a Friend's house-warming BBQ. Granted it wasn't in the centre, but I'd have thought if there were problems that early on, someone would have commented on it?
...that is, unless it has literally only just happened (Sunday Night or Yesterday). Either way, parts of London seem to be a mess, and I've no doubt these other cities mentioned will match that mess.
They should bring in the Military... Oh wait, they're all out in the Middle East!
Spoiler:
Egypt - Rioting in the streets to overthrow an evil dictatorship..
Libya - Rioting in the streets to overthrow an evil dictatorship..
Syria - Rioting in the streets to overthrow an evil dictatorship..
London - Rioting in the streets to loot a new 42 Inch HD Samsung TV
It's Probin' Time
Last edited by Flash525; August 9th, 2011 at 10:46 AM.
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