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Vasili February 14th, 2011 05:11 PM

US Mad that Finland Isn't big on terrorism
 
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According to Wikileaks documents acquired by YLE, the United States has attempted to influence the attitude of Finns towards terrorism in various ways over the years. US embassy diplomatic cables show that in 2005 the United States was particularly annoyed by the Finnish view that a terrorist attack could not happen in Finland.

When a bomb exploded aboard a rush-hour train in the Spanish capital, Madrid, in March 2004, the Finnish leadership of the time condemned the incident and at the same time took a stand on the battle against terrorism. Then-Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen commented on the attack.

"It is fortunate for the Finns that there were no Finns involved neither in this, nor in 9.11 in New York. The nature of these strikes is such that they can affect anyone at all, also Finns, the citizens of any country. In this way, these strikes are a common matter," Vanhanen said in a comment to YLE radio news.

Vanhanen's position did not please the Americans. It was not enough, even though the then-Prime Minister called for international cooperation in the fight against terrorism in a comment. The US position was that Finland's political leadership should have stated that "the bombers could have struck as easily in Helsinki".

Simply arguing that vacationing Finns could have been aboard the Madrid trains did not please the Americans.
On the basis of the documents YLE has received from Wikileaks, the main challenge for US diplomats in the fight against terrorism in Finland at mid-decade was to change the it-can't-happen-here attitude that had taken root among Finnish politicians.

Experts say that this is not surprising. Professor of Peace and Conflict Studies at the University of Tampere, Tuomo Melasuo, notes that in 2005 the Americans were promoting the Bush administration's war on terrorism everywhere.

"They, of course, wanted to get everyone in some way into the ranks. At that time a continuation in Afghanistan was on the table. It was hoped that all countries would stay in line," Melasuo points out.
Because of the Finnish thinking of being safely isolated, US diplomats even felt that Finland was slow in joining in the battle against terrorism. Examples given were that maritime travellers and freight were not being properly inspected.

In an effort to change the thinking of the Finns, the US brought experts to Finland to speak on issues including Islamic extremism. In addition, Finnish officials were taken to the United States to see how the war on terrorism was being managed.
Professor Melasuo does not believe that this kind of influence was very effective. Similar efforts were already familiar from the days of the Cold War.

According to Professor Melasuo only recently has there been a change.
"Finland has become strongly integrated into Europe - more than in 2005. It has already been six years [since the Madrid attack]. What happens elsewhere could happen here, too. This has perhaps also been affected by what happened in Stockholm late last year," speculates Melasuo.
Lol talk about US pressure failing, against a bunch of Slavic's too.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/02/w...tml?origin=rss

Joe Bonham February 14th, 2011 05:24 PM

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The odds of an American being killed in a hijacked commercial flight are 1 in 10,408,947. I wonder why we can't get the stupid foreigners to recognize the danger.

Huffardo February 14th, 2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vasili (Post 5468585)
Lol talk about US pressure failing, against a bunch of Slavic's too.

Slavic?!? :angry:

Besides, what could the US really do to influence our government, threaten to nuke us? Of all the places they could invade this would be a pretty stupid choice, there is nothing to gain (except for a long land border with Russia) and a lot to loose. :lulz:

Vasili February 14th, 2011 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Huffardo (Post 5468599)
Slavic?!? :angry:

ill admit i wanted to see how many finnish people i could troll by saying that

Huffardo February 14th, 2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vasili (Post 5468603)
ill admit i wanted to see how many finnish people i could troll by saying that

It's an excellent troll, but it's not nearly as fun if you don't try it somewhere with drunk Finns at knife distance. =p

MrFancypants February 14th, 2011 05:39 PM

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I don't think Finland contributed a lot of resources to the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan. So compared to Spain they were obviously at a much lower risk of being attacked by islamists.

Schofield February 14th, 2011 06:06 PM

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Oh no, someone isn't big on terrorism...

Emperor Benedictine February 15th, 2011 12:02 AM

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"It is fortunate for the Finns that there were no Finns involved neither in this, nor in 9.11 in New York. The nature of these strikes is such that they can affect anyone at all, also Finns, the citizens of any country. In this way, these strikes are a common matter," Vanhanen said in a comment to YLE radio news.

Vanhanen's position did not please the Americans. It was not enough, even though the then-Prime Minister called for international cooperation in the fight against terrorism in a comment. The US position was that Finland's political leadership should have stated that "the bombers could have struck as easily in Helsinki".
The War on Terror - where saying that everyone in the entire world is at risk of being blown up just isn't scary enough! :uhoh:

jackripped February 15th, 2011 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bonham (Post 5468593)
The odds of an American being killed in a hijacked commercial flight are 1 in 10,408,947. I wonder why we can't get the stupid foreigners to recognize the danger.


hahahahahahahahah burrrrrp hahahahahahaha

You got me, l have no idea ! jahahaha

NiteStryker February 20th, 2011 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Huffardo (Post 5468599)

Besides, what could the US really do to influence our government, threaten to nuke us?

If you dont view something the same way I do I will kill you!

Sounds like terrorism.

Nemmerle February 20th, 2011 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Huffardo (Post 5468599)
Besides, what could the US really do to influence our government, threaten to nuke us? Of all the places they could invade this would be a pretty stupid choice, there is nothing to gain (except for a long land border with Russia) and a lot to loose. :lulz:

Bribe your politicians/business leaders, threaten your politicians/business leaders, blackmail your politicians/business leaders....

Ipse February 20th, 2011 07:56 PM

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The less people with delusions the better


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