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Asheekay February 6th, 2011 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jackripped (Post 5465277)
Its still arrogant to assume you have never been attacked by a virus.
Unless your a state of the art programmer/hacker/virus software writer, and very very rich fom it, its just plain arrogant to assume you are to good to ever get a virus.

So sorry l still dont believe him.........

You don't need to be sorry for not believing him. Plus, its your free choice to believe or not believe anyone/anything. However, my humble advice is to think outside the box and keep the possibility in the mind that your ideas and expectations could be wrong. If you start believing that you're always right, you'd never be able to learn anything new because thinking that you're always right means you believe you know everything and there's nothing left for you to learn/discover.

jackripped February 6th, 2011 11:22 AM

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l dont believe lm know all that much about it, so your presumption that l think lm right is basically wrong.

But all the independent scientists that put these documentries together, all agree that most virus's are undetectable. sorry l believe them.

Nemmerle February 6th, 2011 12:18 PM

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If the viruses are undetectable how do the scientists know about them?

Asheekay February 6th, 2011 12:50 PM

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Erm ... maybe they know it coz ... erm ... I just don't know dude. When HE says that they're undetectable then they're just undetectable and you should believe him without arguing coz obviously what HE says is right and any contradictory views are of course wrong. Period.

NuclearTurboPopeXVII February 6th, 2011 07:56 PM

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Jackripped must not know how to use google, since he can't seem to find actual sources to back up his vague claims.

jackripped February 7th, 2011 12:45 AM

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LOL drink more beer guys !
Sorry if l watch more documentries than you !

Raz0r February 7th, 2011 05:53 AM

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Sorry if I have an education and a passion for technology, and have a clue about what I'm on about.
I want to have an interesting debate/discussion about this, but I just can't with you.

On another note, the only possibility of a machine going rogue that I could imagine, would be a true random number generator, involving quantum mechanics and shit I don't even want to think about =p
In our current state of technology, I don't believe we're at risk of an artificial intelligence breaking the bounds we set for it. It just can't happen. Machines are built on logic, programmed with logic, and know nothing but logic and streams of binary we've told it to read/write previously..
EDIT: Not even self-modifying code is self-aware.
Interesting buzzword: Turing test.

NuclearTurboPopeXVII February 7th, 2011 01:53 PM

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Sorry if I cut out the middleman and read the blogs and websites of security researchers directly. Documentaries are for people seeking a casual understanding of something. By virtue of their very nature, a documentary must assume that the viewer is an idiot and doesn't know the first thing about network security, and must elevate the viewer's understanding from there. Compare that to a website or forum full of network security experts. There's a ton of prerequisite knowledge to even understand what they're taking about.

jackripped February 8th, 2011 02:17 AM

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Fair enough.

But how can you say it will never happen, what about 1000 years from now ?

Our systems change too, what about bio chips, and who knows what the future really holds with computors/programs.
Everyone here is talking mainly present or 50 years to the future, but what about 1000 years in the future ?
Can you be sure 100% it cant happen ? And how can someone assume that and stay openminded about the whole topic ?
l think its short sighted.

Schofield February 8th, 2011 03:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackripped (Post 5466054)
Fair enough.But how can you say it will never happen, what about 1000 years from now ?

:rofl:Oh that's so funny coming from you of all people...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackripped (Post 5465679)
LOL drink more beer guys !
Sorry if l watch more documentries than you !

Are you kidding me?

Can we see a list of these documentaries you watch?

jackripped February 8th, 2011 10:18 PM

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Share the joke mofo ! LOL !

Why is that funny ?

And why did you get banned ?

Asheekay February 9th, 2011 10:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackripped (Post 5466054)
Fair enough.
But how can you say it will never happen, what about 1000 years from now?

Although there are fairly high chances that the human race will eradicate itself form the face of the earth in the next 200 years or so if the third world war ever starts but assuming that this does not happen, here's what will follow:

2050: "The intelligent and highly qualified scientists team" prepares the first prototype of an artificially intelligent software which can effectively tell whether a human or a cow is using the computer. Proof: whenever you ask it, who is running this system? It always replies "Are you kidding me? Its about time they come and milk you!"

2070: "Some extraordinarily intelligent engineer" (whose name will never be known just like those scientists) prepares the prototype of an intelligent robot which can learn new things.

2115: "Another team of extremely intelligent scientists with no names" prepares the first software that is self aware. Proof: You can communicate with it through the keyboard and when you ask it "Who are you?" It always replies "I am blahger, the intelligent software. Blop blop, pong wang lksjdlksdjlsklflksdjlsdfj" (and then your computer gets hung and you have to restart it)

2150: The self awareness algorithm is implemented in the robots too (by another extraordinarily intelligent team of course without names). The first thing these robots do is learning programming languages and taking over the production units of their models only to make their clones more and more intelligent. A war between humans and robots breaks out.

2198: Finally the most intelligent robot is prepared in the secret facility of the intelligent robots war labs. Strangely enough this robot keeps a long face and spends most of his time searching the internet and watching porn.

2207: This robot (formerly known as Infinity-X) discovers a prehistoric forum on the remains of the antique internet servers known as "Filefront Gaming Forums". The robot reads all of the posts in a flash and declares its name is "jackass" now onwards in the memory of a very intelligent and smart member who outsmarted all others in debates.

2220: jackass sets on a journey to find the grave of his beloved prehistoric FileFront's member to clone his DNA for forming the world's leaders.

2230: jackass has been missing from the scenes, busy in its search and its been 10 years now. The robots are starting to lose the war for global control against humans.

2237: Humans take over the world again and peace returns.

2253: A little boy of Turkey finds jackass sitting on a grave and weeping in silicon tears because he had finally discovered his beloved member's grave and taken his DNA but when he returned to clone it, the humans had taken over the world and their universal leader, on knowing the plans of jackass had replied with "Are you crazy, you piece of silicon and binary shit?! Cloning him back again? No way! We already have enough vermin to handle!"

jackass commits suicide one month later, in the robots' hospital in Grandarolda (the then name of India), sad and heartbroken (they had induced the emotions programming in it too!) on the reply of the foolish humans.

--and the digital tale of the silicon and binary bravery and vigilance of jackass and the smartness of his beloved FileFront member ends with this--

Totes February 9th, 2011 10:17 AM

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Thank you for making my week.

jackripped February 9th, 2011 10:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Asheekay (Post 5466530)
Although there are fairly high chances that the human race will eradicate itself form the face of the earth in the next 200 years or so if the third world war ever starts but assuming that this does not happen, here's what will follow:

2050: "The intelligent and highly qualified scientists team" prepares the first prototype of an artificially intelligent software which can effectively tell whether a human or a cow is using the computer. Proof: whenever you ask it, who is running this system? It always replies "Are you kidding me? Its about time they come and milk you!"

2070: "Some extraordinarily intelligent engineer" (whose name will never be known just like those scientists) prepares the prototype of an intelligent robot which can learn new things.

2115: "Another team of extremely intelligent scientists with no names" prepares the first software that is self aware. Proof: You can communicate with it through the keyboard and when you ask it "Who are you?" It always replies "I am blahger, the intelligent software. Blop blop, pong wang lksjdlksdjlsklflksdjlsdfj" (and then your computer gets hung and you have to restart it)

2150: The self awareness algorithm is implemented in the robots too (by another extraordinarily intelligent team of course without names). The first thing these robots do is learning programming languages and taking over the production units of their models only to make their clones more and more intelligent. A war between humans and robots breaks out.

2198: Finally the most intelligent robot is prepared in the secret facility of the intelligent robots war labs. Strangely enough this robot keeps a long face and spends most of his time searching the internet and watching porn.

2207: This robot (formerly known as Infinity-X) discovers a prehistoric forum on the remains of the antique internet servers known as "Filefront Gaming Forums". The robot reads all of the posts in a flash and declares its name is "jackass" now onwards in the memory of a very intelligent and smart member who outsmarted all others in debates.

2220: jackass sets on a journey to find the grave of his beloved prehistoric FileFront's member to clone his DNA for forming the world's leaders.

2230: jackass has been missing from the scenes, busy in its search and its been 10 years now. The robots are starting to lose the war for global control against humans.

2237: Humans take over the world again and peace returns.

2253: A little boy of Turkey finds jackass sitting on a grave and weeping in silicon tears because he had finally discovered his beloved member's grave and taken his DNA but when he returned to clone it, the humans had taken over the world and their universal leader, on knowing the plans of jackass had replied with "Are you crazy, you piece of silicon and binary shit?! Cloning him back again? No way! We already have enough vermin to handle!"

jackass commits suicide one month later, in the robots' hospital in Grandarolda (the then name of India), sad and heartbroken (they had induced the emotions programming in it too!) on the reply of the foolish humans.

--and the digital tale of the silicon and binary bravery and vigilance of jackass and the smartness of his beloved FileFront member ends with this--

Rep for being so funny hahaha, its missing several hundred years, but non the less, very amusing.

Asheekay February 9th, 2011 12:10 PM

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Sorry if anybody feels offended. Didn't mean to. Only aim was to create some good sarcasm and relieve some of the tension found in this topic. Apologies if anybody got offended.

jackripped February 10th, 2011 12:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Asheekay (Post 5466575)
Sorry if anybody feels offended. Didn't mean to. Only aim was to create some good sarcasm and relieve some of the tension found in this topic. Apologies if anybody got offended.


Not me digger, l found it amusing, even though directed my way, but lm an ozzie, oi oi oi , l have an actual and real sense of humor !

Raptor_101 February 10th, 2011 01:40 PM

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Here's an article to help this discussion:

Singularity: Kurzweil on 2045, When Humans, Machines Merge - Yahoo! News

I know it's currently all theoretical, but I believe we will be seeing the day that Artificial Intelligence has reached the same threshold as the human brain. After we're gone I bet people will become less human and more machine like.

Just a small contribution.

NuclearTurboPopeXVII February 10th, 2011 02:42 PM

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But what does it mean to be "human-like" or "machine-like"? These are the sorts of terms futurists like to throw around, without any sort of explanation.

jackripped February 10th, 2011 03:33 PM

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l found this interesting too.
With the emergence of artificial neural networks, the problem of artificial consciousness becomes even more intriguing, because neural networks replicate the basic electrical behaviour of the brain and provide the proper support for realising a processing mechanism similar to the one adopted by the brain. In the book "Impossible Minds", Igor Aleksander [Ale 97] addresses this topic with depth and scientific rigour.

Although everybody agrees that a computer based on classical processing paradigms can never become self-aware, can we say the same thing for a neural network? If we remove structural diversity between biological and artificial brains, the issue about artificial consciousness can only become religious. In other words, if we believe that human consciousness is determined by divine intervention, then clearly no artificial system can ever become self-aware. If instead we believe that human consciousness is an electrical neural state spontaneously developed by complex brains, then the possibility of realising an artificial self-aware being remains open. If we support the hypothesis of consciousness as a physical property of the brain, then the question becomes:

"When will a computer become self-aware?"


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