US officials regard European human rights standards as an "irritant", secret cables show, and have strongly objected to the safeguards which could protect WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange from extradition.
In a confidential cable from the US embassy in Strasbourg, US consul general Vincent Carver criticised the Council of Europe, the most authoritative human-rights body for European countries, for its stance against extraditions to America, as well as secret renditions and prisons used to hold terrorist suspects.
He blamed the council for creating anti-US sentiment and hampering the US war on terror. "The Council of Europe (COE) likes to portray itself as a bastion of democracy, a promoter of human rights, and the last best hope for defending the rule of law in Europe – and beyond," Carver said. "[But] it is an organisation with an inferiority complex and, simultaneously, an overambitious agenda.
"An investigation [by the Council of Europe] into renditions and 'secret prisons' in Europe connected to the US war on terrorism … created a great deal of controversy and anti-US sentiment in the Council of Europe," wrote Carver.
The European court of human rights, the final court of appeal for human rights claims from the UK, whose judgments include the decision to ban deportations to countries which practise torture, is also singled out by the cables.
"The European court of human rights … has also requested more information on pending British extradition cases to the US where it believes the prisoners might be sentenced in the US to life imprisonment with no possible appeal or automatic judicial review of the life sentence," Carver wrote.
Damn commies. Fair trials? Humane treatment? So 20th century.
On a serious note, I find it very sad that other civilized countries regard us with suspicion. We've managed to put ourselves in the same category as China and Iran.
I think we really need to take a step back and think about what the hell we're doing. Repair the damage to our reputation before it becomes irreversible.
"You can kill my body, but you can't kill my soul. My soul will live forever!"
Personally, I think Human Rights is over-rated. Sure, we should all have some the moment we are born, but when someone kills or rapes another, why should that person have any rights left? If people want that murderer or rapist put next to a wall and shot, then so be it. It's all said individual would deserve to be quite frank.
Human Rights should be selective. By that I mean only those that care for, and contribute towards Humanity should actually have them. Someone who goes out and harms another for no reason than for fun doesn't deserve shit in the way of rights.
Obviously it's a grey area as it's all dependant on said crime, person and punishment, but I do think it's over-rated.
Personally, I think Human Rights is over-rated. Sure, we should all have some the moment we are born, but when someone kills or rapes another, why should that person have any rights left? If people want that murderer or rapist put next to a wall and shot, then so be it. It's all said individual would deserve to be quite frank.
Human Rights should be selective. By that I mean only those that care for, and contribute towards Humanity should actually have them. Someone who goes out and harms another for no reason than for fun doesn't deserve shit in the way of rights.
Obviously it's a grey area as it's all dependant on said crime, person and punishment, but I do think it's over-rated.
So the moment someone THINKS you might have committed a crime (assange hasn't even been formally charged with anything), you instantly lose all of your rights?
"You can kill my body, but you can't kill my soul. My soul will live forever!"
So the moment someone THINKS you might have committed a crime (assange hasn't even been formally charged with anything), you instantly lose all of your rights?
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I think he is referring to when a person has been caught in the act then he feels there is no point to waste time and money on a trial.
When people are KNOWN to be guilty, they still get given a trial. What's the point? We know they're guilty, just shoot them and be done with it. Put the funds for their case onto something that will benefit society. Not waste it deciding what sentence said individual should or shouldn't get.
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When people are KNOWN to be guilty, they still get given a trial. What's the point?
Well it comes down to things like being Osama Bin Ladens personal driver, do you really want to send this guy off for life just because he drove him around? I say no.
Last edited by Mihail; January 17th, 2011 at 11:35 AM.
Well it comes down to things like being Osama Bin Ladens personal driver, do you really want to send this guy off for life just because he drove him around? I say no.
Why not? Surely that driver would be aiding with Murder?
Why not? Surely that driver would be aiding with Murder?
If you can connect him to murder, where do you stop connections? how about his mother and father? why not the US administration during the times when he was being trained?
If you can connect him to murder, where do you stop connections? how about his mother and father? why not the US administration during the times when he was being trained?
Heck, shoot them too.
But on a serious note, Osama's mother and father probably didn't bring him up as a killer, if they did, they'd no doubt have been such themselves, so yeah, they should be shot. Not seeing the US administration here though, I doubt they trained Osama up as a Terrorist.
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