Model describes universe with no big bang, no beginning, and no end.

[jackripped]

Originally Posted by necrosect

Your posts smack of condescension on a matter about which you patently have no understanding. While I feel it a responsibility (as a scientist) to attempt to explain matters of science accurately and concisely, where possible, your absolute refusal to ever listen or incorporate anything that doesn't agree with your initial view on a subject puts me at a complete loss. This may have been better served as a private message, but I really can no longer take the time nor effort to respond to any of your posts regarding science or religion as it seems I may as well talk to a brick wall. Painted in lead. Locked in a safe.

No need to be rude, l listen to you, more so than any other person ever to post on filefront, sorry if lve come across as a c_nt.

[Penguin_Unit]

Originally Posted by Schofield

I didn't even read that (I'm about to however), but I already tell myself that there was no "beginning", and that there will be no "end".

Do I have to cite thermodynamics again?

[Showd0wN]

Do I have to cite thermodynamics again?

You could have a universe that continues forever "effectively". That is , something similar to what's called the phantom energy catastrophe (no joke, that's its name). This is where the universe continues expanding more and more until the average distance between elementary particles sufficiently reduces the force so they are no longer bound. This would basically make the universe a sea of particles that are growing farther and farther apart.

[Tanith]

I have pondered about this possibility aswell. Humans created the concept of time. We judge time by conditions of our planets: 1 day being a rotation of the Earth, 1 year being a rotation of the Earth round the Sun etc and we try to judge the age of the Universe based on our own created concept. But what if our concept of time doesn't have any meaning when applied to the Universe itself. I think it is thinking outside the box thinking that something doesn't have a start and end point as it goes against how we perceive time to work.

[NiteStryker]

Our concept of time would have meaning anywhere. Its accuracy that would be off, but that is also relative.

Basically, everything takes beyond our lifetime.

[Showd0wN]

Tanith: I think you're confusing "measures of time" (i.e. the day / month / year) and the "concept of time".

[Flash525]

Originally Posted by Tanith

I have pondered about this possibility aswell. Humans created the concept of time. We judge time by conditions of our planets: 1 day being a rotation of the Earth, 1 year being a rotation of the Earth round the Sun etc and we try to judge the age of the Universe based on our own created concept. But what if our concept of time doesn't have any meaning when applied to the Universe itself. I think it is thinking outside the box thinking that something doesn't have a start and end point as it goes against how we perceive time to work.

Maybe he is, but it is interesting.

To think, if the Universe is infinite, that's just the Universe, the black, the essence that we can't actually see or touch. We know that Stars (the Sun) ages, as do the relevant planets, and us. What if the Universe is in fact infinite, but the objects within are the ones that are not? 'Time' would exist, just for everything in the Universe, and not the Universe itself.

[Mr. Pedantic]

To think, if the Universe is infinite, that's just the Universe, the black, the essence that we can't actually see or touch. We know that Stars (the Sun) ages, as do the relevant planets, and us. What if the Universe is in fact infinite, but the objects within are the ones that are not? 'Time' would exist, just for everything in the Universe, and not the Universe itself.

I was under the impression that if the universe were infinite in age that would violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the one that involves entropy.

[Schofield]

Originally Posted by Penguin_Unit

Do I have to cite thermodynamics again?

Go ahead?

[jackripped]

l recon time was around before the big bang too, but who knows.

One thing though, about the universe expanding forever so to speak, what about blackholes ?
They will be all thats left in the end if they just zip around eating everything out there.
Its hard to imagine all the matter just expanding forever until they go, what, beyond light speed themselves?
Sooner or later the biggest blackhole of all time will be all thats left, and what happens then, does it inverted and do who knows what ?Is it possible we could get another big bang ?

Does quantum gravity really hold the universe together as a structure ?
And when that structure fails ? The fabric of space or whatever it is.

Of coarse everything is theory or hypothesis, we theorize so much but know so little.