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BBC News - US and Russia announce deal to cut nuclear weapons

The two nations, being represented by American President Obama and Russian President Medvedev, will sign a new agreement to replace the previous Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) which had gone through two agreements, the first in 1991 (between the US and USSR) and a second signed in 1993 (Between US and Russia following the collapse of the USSR).

There was an attempt at a third START, but it was killed due to a lack of interest in the 1990s

The proposal comes after a series of talks between Russia and the United States regarding their nuclear stockpiles. Obama and Medvedev are planning to sign this on April 8 in Prague, after they are expected to be ratified by the US Senate and Russian Duma.

The agreement has the two powers agreeing to slash their nuclear stocks and limit to 1,550 warheads. Currently it is estimated that the US has 2,000 deployed strategic nuclear weapons, with Russia having at least 2,500. If the two nations uphold their agreement, it would see Russia cutting its current stockpile by 30%, and the United States by 25%.

The United States and Russia have been getting into disagreements over the approach to Iran as well as the United States's attempts to install missile shields in the past and current. Signing the agreement in Prague, where it was a focal point of the missile-shield debate, is no coincidence in my opinion.

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Fingers were crossed behind backs.

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Maybe if the two promised to get rid of all their nuclear arms, which isn't the case here. They still a ton left over.

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I think we should have some fun with what were getting rid of, nuke the moon, draw a happy face on it with craters.

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They will probably be stupid and just dismantle them instead of something fun.

Like a badass 4th of July show.

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You all do realize that getting rid of the nuclear weapons will probably lead to a WWIII, right? Remember the cold war? Why didn't it actually happen? Because there were nuclear weapons. The moment the US and Russia will have no nuclear weapons, Russia will most likely attack some weak countries, like Georgia and Ukraine, which will eventually lead to a war in Europe. Nuclear weapons may be used in a war (only once on only two cities), but you all just don't realize how many wars it actually saved. Sure, countries like Iran and North Korea should not have any nuclear weapons, but in Western countries, nuclear weapons are actually neccesery. Obama... It is said, 10 geniuses cannot fix the work of one idiot. What Obama does to the world, and especially in the US, is pure damage. I was going to create a topic about the subject, but as you all already know what is my opinion about Hussein Obama, I didn't do it.

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Reducing the nuclear stockpile is good news.

Obama's call for a nuclear free world is bad news. Nukes are a deterrent and are a defense if giant asteroid is going to hit earth.

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But on the bright side, there's now a greater chance that we'll live to tell the tale.

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Alex, we're not talking about getting rid of all of them. Just most of them. Do you have any idea how many nukes we have? That, plus the fact that it takes years to properly dismantle a nuke. We will likely always have nukes. We're just trying to lower our stores.
Now, what we should really be worried about is the Space Monkey's. Those little bastards are planning to take over and launch all the nukes.

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Funny thing is, he doesn't want the whole world to be free of nuclear weapons, he is pretty much ready to accept a nuclear Iran. He does nothing with Iran or North Korea. We the Israelis have already said that we are going to attack Iran, but then Obama came and said that sanctions are the key. The US doesn't care about terrorists, Communists, and Muslims having control of uranium, but it wants to end its own nuclear weapons?! These are very hard times.




But why lower the stores at all? The nukes are what stopping the whole world from having another world war, why lower them? The nukes don't do any damage if no one uses them, and no one uses them because no one wants to be nuked himself. That is one problem with Iran: they have very weak weapons, but also nuclear weapons. While other countries can attack with normal weapons, Iran's only way of war is by using nuclear weapons. They know that no one will use nuclear weapons against them, so they don't really have anything to lose. If Iran and North Korea will have more nuclear weapons than the rest of the world, nothing will stop them. That's why I believe that we actually need MORE nuclear weapons, not less. We are currently in a cold war, nations are against other nations, but nations are also having peace with other nations, and the reason why we haven't blown ourselves up yet (and we never will, I hope) is the nuclear weapons. I just don't see any reason of having less nukes.

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The reason we don't attack North Korea is because if we attack, they have 10,000+ artillery tubes aimed at South Korea. We won't suffer the direct reprecutions. They will. I'm not exactly sure about Iran though. Some else will have to awnser that for you.

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What a tool. The US and Russia have been dismantling nukes for fucking decades and the second Obama continues the trend some people act like he's courting Armeggedon. What the hell is happening to the pub these days?

besides, its a gesture. If i point a Glock at your head and agree to remove a bullet from the magazine you gonna feel any safer with the other 17 still there?

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North Korea wants to fight South Korea anyway, so what you have said doesn't make any sense. If the US will start a war with NK, and will destroy NK's weapons, North Korea will have less weapons to attack the South. If the US will let them choose when the war will come, South Korea will be hurt much more.

Have some more, then.


As I said above, there is nothing good at lowering your own powers. Obama's will is to have a Western world without nuclear weapons. I say that a Western world with no nuclear weapons will have many world wars. Also, lowering the US' nuclear weapons is not equal to lowering some other smaller county's nuclear weapons, which is also not equal to lowering Iran's nuclear weapons. When you're enemy has less strong weapons, you have less fear with dealing with him. And the only reason why Russia and the US are not enemies is because both countries have nuclear weapons. The US should care about Iran and North Korea, not about their own weapons. But when Hussein Obama is the president of the US, who knows what the US might do.

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Ya, and a little thing called NATO, which I'm pretty sure Russia has been in for quite some time now. You don't understand, Soviet Russia and Russia are different places, which different leaders, and different ideologies. So there is a big reason Russia and US are allies, aside from nukes.

Why do you call him Hussein? Everyone knows thats his middle name. You should show him some respect and call him Barack, or Obama.

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The cold war have never actually ended. The Russians are not Communists anymore, but they still aren't a democracy. They care about oil, and scaring close countries, more than they care about peace with the US. But they are afraid of attacing the US because of the nukes. Militarily, Russia is not weaker than the US. With no nukes, Russia may do whatever it wants to the US. And Muslim countries who want to sell oil (all of them) will help Russia. Europe, Australia, and Japan will do nothing. Latin American countries will help the Russians (who support them financially). China, Mongolia, and North Korea will also help Russia. Africa, power-less islands, and South Korea will have nothing to do, and no powers to do it. Israel, India, and Canada will help the US. So even tough the US will eventually win, Russia will neither completely lose. And the only way to avoid it, is by not giving up the nukes. After all, even Russia doesn't want everything to be blowun up, so they won't start any war, knowing that nuclear weapons may be used.


Respecting him is refering to him as "The President of the United States of America, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama...". And yes, I call him Hussein, because I want to remind you that the US leader is an Arab Muslim, which means, in other words, anti-Semitic anti-Zionist anti-Israeli pro-Palestinian person. By the way, I above mentioned that the only countries which will help the US in a WWIII are Israel, India and Canada. If Hussein Obama will keep his policy of being a terror-lover, even these three countries will not help the US. After all, he hates Israel, supports Afganistan, and brings only troubles to Canada (without helping it).

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Odds are Obama is an atheist since he was raised by his atheist mother. He only picked up Christianity to make himself appear acceptable to the American people.

This does not help or hurt the safety of the world. Instead of being able to destroy the world 8-10 times over they can only destroy it 5-7 times over. This agreement does not limit the nuclear stockpiles of other nations who are US allies(UK, france)

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Oh, so now you're a racist who judges someone based on their heritage?

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What do you mean now? He's been like this ever since he first posted.

Anyways, as someone else said, this nuclear arms reduction thing has been going on for a while, why do people think the world is going to end because Obama is part of it? He's probably giving US nukes to al-Qaeda, because he clearly has a lot of strong relations with them, being a Hussein and all.

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Hahahahaha, using this logic the USA is the evil butcher dictator of the world because they overthrew two countries and continue to occupy them because of 9/11 and suck Saudi Arabia's dick for oil, not to mention the CIA is responsible for overthrowing small country governments which don't like the west and replace them with Pro-West dictators. At least in Georgia the Russians attacked as a defensive movement after they were attacked by Georgia, so to call Russia not a democracy just because they "scare small countries" and "care more about oil then the US" is totally ignoring the fact that Russia doesn't do nearly as much shit as the US.

You do realize the US's and Russia's number of nuclear weapons though? They both have about 20,000, Israel China and France all combined have about 600, you don't need that many as it shows, hell North Korea has approximately 15 Nuclear weapons, and that poses a threat still, so it will be a loooooooong time until Russia and the US get rid of their weapons.



Wow. I cannot bring myself to words for the dumbass content of this part of the post. I'll leave that to Nitestryker to make a hilarious reply.

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Erm...I don't know how much nuclear material you think there is in 3100 nuclear warheads, but by pure strength of numbers, I reckon each nation's stockpile could blow the other to kingdom come. And I'm sure that each side knows this. And so, by virtue of the fact that nobody wants to be blown to kingdom come for no reason, I doubt a WWIII would start just because we decreased the world's nuclear stockpile by about 1500 nukes.

Seeing as how Israel's demonstrated how good it is at not listening to the Obama administration anyway, why don't you go ahead?

But by your logic no matter how many nuclear weapons we have, Iran 'knows' that we won't use them against it. So what's the point of having more nuclear weapons if we have to spend all this money on monitoring and security, but never actually using them?

And your second to last sentence doesn't make sense.

*gasp* But then you're disrespecting the POTUS, which means disrespecting the USA! So that must mean according to your logic that you must be the USA's enemies! I see the light!

Also:

1) Barack Obama is not Muslim.
2) Barack Obama is not Arab.
3) I very much doubt Barack Obama is anti-Zionist.
4) I very much doubt Barack Obama is anti-Israeli, seeing as his vice-president visited your country. Of course, his view may have changed when your Prime Minister so crudely insulted Joe Biden.
5) In another world war, likely if America went to war the rest of Nato would go to war with it. That's how it becomes a WORLD war.
6) How is it possible to love terror?
7) Supporting Afghanistan has nothing to do with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, except in possibly the most marginal, irrelevant sense possible. Nor does it have anything to do with reducing the US' nuclear stockpile.
8) I imagine that if the US suddenly disappeared off the face of the Earth, Canada would suffer pretty bad. After all, the US and Canada only form the largest trading partnership in the world. Nothing to worry about, right?

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Canada would be a third world nation overnight if the US suddenly disappeared.
Hits the nail right on the head. This is just another agreement in a long series of agreements that have only recently been "delayed" because of some disagreements over missile defence, as well as some bumpy relations between the US and Russia during Bush's two terms.

By destroying thousands of nuclear weapons, both sides can now put the money they would be spending on maintaining those weapons on many thousands more conventional weapons.

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Between them, America and Russia have tens of thousands of nuclear warheads, and they're not all limited to the old-fashioned kiloton ranges of the ones used towards the end of WW2. They could quite literally wipe out all life on Earth several times over. They don't even have enough delivery systems to make use of them all.

Why have that many? You only need to wipe out all life on Earth just the once. Any more than that would be quite redundant.

It's a remnant of the cold war and nothing more. Nukes cost money not only to build, but to safely store and maintain them. They could save quite a lot of money if they decommissioned a few thousand of the things, and just save enough for the one mass extinction. It's quite a logical way of saving moolah if you ask me, and you'll still be able to wave around the multi-megaton-phallic-tube-of-death if you need to calm down some upstart renegade country in the future.

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Obama have learned for two years in a Muslim school. He eclaimed that he haven't, but in his book he wrote that he have.
Also, for now, these are not all of the nuclear rockets, but Obama said that he want the whole world (the Western world, he doesn't care about Iran) to be "free of nukes".

The Islamic ideology is to conquer the world, and him being an Arab might explain his love towards Arab countries. Muslim fanatic fundamental extrimist Arab countries.

I don't mind the US "occupying" terrorist countries. After all, 9/11 is the terrorists' fault, so now they see the consequences. And Western countries do "replace" leaders of other countries, especially in Africa. I simply don't care about what the West does to evil countries. Now, whoever started the war between Russia and Georgia, did to because of greed. These wars have no meaning in my eyes, because both the US and Russia have nuclear weapons, and I know that they won't attack each other. When both the US and Russia have nuclear weapons, they allow themselves to do whatever they want to countries which don't have nukes. If Russia and the US won't have nukes, they might attack each other.

But why get rid of the nuclear weapons at all? I call US' and Russia's nukes "peace weapons". Why? Because both countries have other strong weapons, and both could pressure each other to use the nukes. Therefore, no one uses them. Iran's and North Korea's nukes I call "war weapons". Why? Because both countries will a) won't be nuked if they attack, and b) they don't have any strong armies, so their only way of war is by nuclear weapons. My country Israel could have used nuclear weapons, and we actually thought about it. But why haven't we done that? Because our normal armies are strong enough to win the wars, without using the nukes. And the enemies are scared of our nuclear weapons.

The plan is to decrease the world's nuclear weapons to zero. Obama and the US do what they do slowly, but eventually, they will cause the WWIII. Look at Russia. Everyone is afraid of them, so they allow themselves to do whatever they want. Now, when they are ready for war against everyone, they don't mind decreasing the nukes, because they still are a scary nation, and they still can do whatever they want. But without the nukes, they might also attack the US. They don't really have anything to lose, since there is a chance that they'll win, and will become the strongest and richest nation.

Do you really think that we're going to listen to the anti-Semitic president of the US, whose voters are even starting to turn against him? No at all. We will keep building in Jerusalem, and in Judea and Samaria, and in all of our country Israel, and some anti-Semite anti-Israeli anti-Zionist pro-Palestinian terror-lover won't tell us to stop. We don't tell you to stop building in your capital Washington, you don't tell us to stop building in our capital Jerusalem. The world may want to devide Jerusalem (just like Berlin, remember?), but it won't happen.

You need nuclear weapions to scare other nations. Iran, on the other hand, wants to use its nukes against Israel, and therefore they should not have any nuclear weapons. US' situation and Iran's situation are not the same. Russia won't attack you if you have nukes. Iran will.

Obama have learned in a Muslim school, in Indonesia. He is not 100% Arab, but he is an Arab. He have changed his name from Barry to Barack. He is proud of Islam. His Church is anti-Semitic, his priest is a holocause deniar, but Obama still goes there. My Prime-Minister didn't insult Biden at all. We just said that we're going to build more in Jerusalem, when Biden was here. We have every right to build in Jerusalem, so this Joe Biden should calm down. I didn't say that supporting Afganistan has anything to do with Israel and the Palestinians, or the nuclear weapons. It has something to do with him being an anti-Indian. India doesn't like Obama's support to their enemy Afganistan. It proves that Obama is a Muslim, by his ideology at least. Obama doesn't care about Canada. He doesn't care about any of his allies, because his real friends are the fanatic Muslims.

For money, they are ready to risk humanity. See (on of the many reasosn) why I hate Obama?

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Just because he went to "Muslim school" (I don't know the exact details about it hence the quotes) does not imply that he is muslim. I went to a catholic school for 8 years. Does that mean I am catholic?

I also want some sauce on where Obama said he wants to get rid of all nuclear weapons.

Then why don't you write to your government and ask them to nuke Iran right now? I am getting sick of hearing about how much Iran wants to destroy Israel. If you are that worried about it, grow some balls and launch your nukes.

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He describes his father as "raised a Muslim", but a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and his stepfather as "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful". Obama explained how, through working with black churches as a community organizer while in his twenties, he came to understand "the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change". He was baptized at the Trinity United Church of Christ in 1988 and was an active member there for two decades.

Hes no Muslim.

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ICBMs were what kept the cold war cold, not nukes.

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Just because I went to a Christian school for a couple of years does not mean I am automatically a Christian. Also, how could Obama be Arab?

But then, if neither have nukes, then if they do attack each other it will be using conventional warfare. And not to be callous about lives or anything, but in that case, so what?

This is what we have, regarding Israel and Nuclear weapons:

1) Israel won't disclose the extent of it's nuclear weapons program. In fact, Israel won't even publicly admit it has nuclear weapons.
2)Israel has not signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty.

Given those 2 points, I have to say that whatever your intentions, you're not expressing them very well. At least North Korea is willing to admit that it's developing nuclear weapons.

Oh, and also, I doubt North Korea would invade someone other than South Korea any time soon. They have a very large army, but I doubt it can project force any further than the Korean peninsula.

As you say, the process will happen slowly. So why blame Obama for this? He's neither the one that started, nor the one that finished the process. He's just somewhere in between. So why is his contribution so dire?

And I highly doubt that everyone is afraid of Russia because of nuclear weapons. Russia has very large natural resource reserves, which they leverage. That is why they are powerful. They won't really be better off by attacking the USA. Ever.

So then why are you so hesitant to attack Iran?

These are very interesting claims. Can we get some proof for this? And while you're at it, how about some evidence that all this is relevant?

The purpose Biden was there was to encourage peace talks. Whatever your view on the situation, you must be smart enough to realize that saying you're going to keep on going in Jerusalem is not very conducive to peace.

What?! What does India have to do with this now?

There's just so much bullshit here I don't know what to say. Refer to the rest of my posts.

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Nuclear control should not be a significant issue we have better weapons than nukes now. I can hit a city with a biological or chemical warhead and cause problems for the target on the same magnitude as a nuclear weapon without causing damage to the physical infrastructure. And those chemical or biological weapons are much cheaper than a nuke, won't cause the same problems with radiation as a nuke, and are much easier to get a hold of.

The reason politicians talk about nuclear proliferation is because nukes are relatively easy to control; make the population fixate on one thing and lose track of the fact that the delivery system - the missile - is the more dangerous development. That the ease with which you can get a missile is greatly increased by the spread of computers and so on. Once you have a reasonably accurate ICBM it ultimately doesn't matter whether you have a nuke or not, there are other weapons on the NBC spectrum that are just as nasty.

So we have nuclear arms reduction but is it because we're becoming all fluffy or just because there's better stuff to spend our money on these days than a deterent that was out of date twenty years ago....

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Nukes work a bit faster though. They are probably more effective against military targets, command centres and logistics as well.

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You launch your nukes at me, I launch my biological and chemical weapons at you - we both lose. I go out in a flash of fire, you go out in disease and starvation and widespread collapse of infrastructure. Sure your army might survive - although considering nerve agents are expressely designed to defeat protective measures these days that's debatable - but what are they going to eat, where are they going to get fuel from, or electricity, or wages? Militaries are fairly useless in the long run without a massive civilian infrastructure supporting them.

Nukes were a first strike weapon back in the days when the concept of a first strike still seemed feasable. But the advent of radar, optical sensors, satellites and computers means a first strike is no longer a viable doctrine and with the loss of that doctrine the niche for the nuke died as well.

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I suggest everyone just stop listening to alex to be honest. He has demonstrated a level of hypocrisy far beyond what could ever be "reasonable" in the name of debate.

Alex I refer you to your thread on "respect".

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Actually thats not true, Canada has all the natural resources you need to sustain a country, we could go years without trading, if we weren't invaded.

Thats so retarted I don't even know what to say.

Quoted for truth.

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To say that Canada would become a third world nation overnight is quite a bit of a stretch, but the Canadian economy would be significantly affected by the lack of trade with the United States. Odds are that after a while trade from other countries would increase, although prices for goods may increase slightly due to the transportation costs rising a bit.

Schofield, to say that you have "all the natural resources you need to sustain a country", you're forgetting about the issues of allocation and the workings of a capitalist society (and all of the benefits trading with the outside usually brings to a nation). It isn't enough that you aren't starving, it's having enough so that you don't have to ever worry about being hungry. North Korea has enough resources to exist as a nation, but misuse of those resources results in widespread malnutrition and poverty. How many Canadians are willing to take a significant hit to their quality of life? As much as I like self-sufficiency, it doesn't lend itself well to the nicer things in life.

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I think you're missing my point. America and Russia could HALVE their nuclear weapons stockpiles, hell, knock three quarters of them off the books, and still have plenty of warheads to give the global ecosystem a crippling kick to the gonads at least a couple of times. And even then I doubt if they'd have enough delivery systems to launch them all simultaneously.

Where's the 'risk' here, exactly? Do you think a nasty little renegade country is going to sit there, read the news, and think to themselves, "HA! America can now only wipe out the world ONCE! It is time to invade, for we only fear being completely wiped out FIVE TIMES OR MORE! MWUHAHAAAAA!"

No. They're still going to be fearful of a multimegaton ICBM being rammed straight into their lavish palaces.

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Matt, you ignorant slut! Don't you know that if we reduce our nuclear arsenal this much, we will never have a chance to punch through to the center of the earth in a day? This eliminates any chance of straight-up creating a volcano through the repeated application of nuclear weapons to the same area.

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But I thought that's what thermobaric weapons and space-based mass accelerators were for!

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nah thermobaric weapons are around cause hippies dont like us burning bad guys out of caves the old fashion way...with fire. So now we gotta go hi-tech em into goo nowadays.

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Because burning or suffocating people by shooting napalm into a cave would be cruel. :nodding:

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The point is not the two years in a Muslim school - the point is that he wrote this fact in a book, but lied to the public and said that it didn't happen. The fact that he is lying to America about who he is, proves only that what he tries to hide is the sad truth, and that he cannot be trusted.

And he did said once that he wishes a nuclear-free world. That is one of his democrat liberal (more like socialist) missions.


To be honest; how can I know what my goverment is planning. It sems so obvious that the time to attack is now, that it has already became a joke in the Israeli society about why doesn't the goverment to anything. We just wait.

And we have enough balls (we attack Iraq and Syria once), it's just that we have a lot of pressure on us, from the world, and from the Iran-Syria-Turkey-Hezbollah's direction. "We don't don't attack - we don't have balls. We attack - we are war criminals." That's pretty much the world's policy about us.

Other than what I've said above, no one has gave any real explanation to why this person is an anti-Israeli pro-Arab president. Crazyness? May be. Islamism? Certainly. And his "Church" is anti-Semitic. He never left it. Know why? Because he agrees with it. He loves his anti-Semitic priest (who denies the holocaust, like his obviously good friend, Ahmedinjad), because he gives the legitimacy to anti-Semitic statments. Obama can never be a friend of Israel, or any other self-respecting Jewish society.

I have already answered the first statment, and as for the question, you should know that he has roots in Arab countries. But his Arab blood is not as important as his Islamic ideology. As mch as race effects people, ideology and religion effect even more. And before you all turn on your racist alert (it's probably too late), I should tell you that Obama himself (we're talking about the president of the US, remember?) is extrimely racist. Because of his Church. His priest is extrimely anti-Jewish and anti-White person. Both Obama and his priest are "black racists" - an ideology that prefers the blacks over the whites. They both are as bad as the KKK.

I hate Obama so much, and I told you many reasosn, I want to say something that I am not allowed to say about him. So I will just think it, and you all will have to guess what it is. Seriously tough, his policies are very harmful.

One may completely lose. A WWIII. If the US wins (and it will, if this will happen), we can say everything is good. But if not, both Russia and the oil countries (mostly Arab countries, though others too) will control this world. Until there will be left no oil and everything will gone back to 3world countries. Because the no-oil technologies are in the hands of the West. No West + no oil = the end of human civilization, as we know it.

Israel is in danger, allways. Israel doesn't want to use the nuclear weapons. The world has recognized Israel's right to have nuclear weapons. You can't compare this to Iran and NK, you simply can't.

And NK may not invade anyone, but you don't want them to have nukes, this is very dangerous.

I blame Obama for not stopping this proccess, and for trying to give more legitimacy to this process. He just tries to have a Western world with no nukes. More than any other president. So you should expect that the world won't like it.

And if Russia destroys the US, it will control everything. Until the end of the human civilization, as I already said. My country, Israel, the "the US' best friend", has the technologies to have a world with no oil, so we will stop giving money to the Arab Muslim terror-supporter countries. With no US or Israel, the world will still eat the Arabs' oil until it will end, then the world will be left with no energy. By not being dependent on oil, you actually save Earth. Israel (and, eventually, the US) has the technologies for that, so you should think about it next time you scream "boycot Israel blah blah blah!!!".

The left-wingers choose to listen to Obam and the EU. I guess they hate Israel, their only homeland.
It's the work of Ehud Barak, if not him, Iran's nuclear factories were gone long time ago.


It is relevant, because personal ideology is relevant. You're question isn't smart at all, honestly.

Why? What does building in our capital has to do with the peace process? We have every right to build in Jerusalem. The world wants my city Tel - Aviv to be the capital, but ALL OF US disagree. Because 3000+ years old Jerusalem is ours. Remember 1967? Jordan? Jordan attacked, Jordan lost. And Jordan doesn't want it back (and even if they do, they don't have the right, because they started the war, but anyway, they don't want it back,). It has nothing to do with the piss (not peace, but piss) process with the Palestinians. And yes, it is piss process, because it's like a 3D movie, it's so close, you can actually think that it's real, even if it's not at all.

The Indians hate Obama's support towards Afganistan.

The thing is not their ability to destroy Earth, it's just that with no nuclear weapons, nothing will stop a war between the US and Russia. And I say "no nuclear weapons", because this is Obama's mission. You don't take risks with WWs. At least, you should not take such risks, especially if you're the US president.

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Because no one cares that he's Muslim besides the complete idiots that only Glenn Beck listens too.

And Japan's, does that mean japan is Anti-Semitic, Anti-Zionist and Pro-Iran/Palestinians?


You've waited 30 years and the US has waited 50 on Korea, there is a obvious reason.

Turkey doesn't seem to care much, just Turkey's media does. Besides, Syria, Turkey and Iran hav pretty good living conditions, just Iran has a oppressive government.

Great. But you do realize you don't sound all that better then the religious retards screaming OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST, HE'S A RACIST, COMMUNIST AND DIRTY MUSLIM

Can you give some quotes please? Obama made some statements which sounded racist towards whites, but it wasn't really that racist, then again, he is half white, wait his Dad is Kenyan, so he has no Arabic blood.....

How?

Your an idiot. The USA is the #1 manufacturer of oil, thats why Russia is so important to Iran.

Why? Because one is a filthy arab muslim country and the other is just Korea? You can easily compared Iran and NK since they have similar statements, similar goals and similar threats, plus similar way of carrying them out, not doing anything.

Do you know anything about the NK vs. SK ordeal?

Have you ever heard of Ronald Reagan? Again, your forgetting the Nuclear Weapon count, Israel has 200, France has 200, China has 200 and NK has about 15, America has about 15,000 and Russia has about 20,000, so it makes sense to want less nukes.

I assume the US will get it first.

:rolleyes:

:rofl: If it wasn't for left wingers the US would not have attained the power status it has today.





It doesn't matter if 3000+ years ago it was your capital, that was 3,000+ years ago, you don't see Poland renaming itself Warsaw, do you?

Because of the shit in Pakistan oh :bawl:

There is nothing building up a war between the US and Russia, its just right wing idiots who wants one for no real reason at all.

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Did he? I've never heard him deny the fact.

Can you post proof of this?

To be honest, as long as it doesn't interfere with national policy, I couldn't care less if he believed green men from Mars kidnapped his wife.

Why aren't you allowed to say it?

That's because human civilization pretty much [b]is[/]b Western civilization. But going back to your argument; if Russia et al. do win a third world war, then why won't they have these "no-oil technologies" you're talking about? When Allies won WW2 they basically stripped Berlin dry of anything that had remote technological value. Why won't this happen again?

No, we haven't. The only good thing about your possession of nuclear weapons is that you haven't used them yet. You haven't acknowledged the existence of nuclear weapons. You haven't signed the non-proliferation treaty. In short, you haven't done a lot of the things that would go towards me trusting you with nukes.

Then why don't you blame Bush for not stopping the process? Why don't you blame Medvedev? Putin? Gorbachev? Clinton? Why specifically Obama?

And I admit that I haven't done a poll or anything, but I think that I would be hard pressed to find a significant proportion of the population that would not welcome a world where the knowledge to build a nuclear weapon did not exist.

I never realized you gave aid to Arab countries in the first place.

And I'm afraid I'm going to have to say there's too much bullshit here, again. I just can't cope.

So why is ideology relevant? There is no proof that even if Obama were all you claimed he was, that it has come through in his administration's policies. So why give him such a hard time about it?

I'd have to say, if it came down to it, there are a lot more of us than there are of you.

And then after that it wasn't any more. Honestly. It's like if you own a house, but then you default on your mortgage repayments, the bank repossesses it, then sells it off. You can't come back a few decades later and just repossess it again. The police would have you arrested.

And again, this has to do with nuclear weapons...how, exactly?

You mean, apart from the fact that they are both better off without a war?

It takes two people to disarm the US and Russia. Why don't you mention Medvedev in any of this? Why is Obama solely to blame?

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I disagree, I'm sure that people care about their president's ideology and religion.

What? I was talking about Obama's mission to create a West with no nukes, not about his anti-Semitism.

The reason is then left-wing, people who actually think that diplomacy can help when it comes to Islam / Communism.

I'm sure that Turkey will care, when Israeli war-jets will fly over Iran's nuclear factories and will destroy the Iranian nukes. Iran and Turkey are good friends. That's one of the reasons why Iran created the Hezbollah, and Turkey doesn't care about it.

I'm not saying that he's the anti-Christ, as I am Jewish and we don't believe in this. But he is a racist, socialist Muslim.

You want me to give you the anti-Semitic and the anti-white statments of Obama's priest? And whether he has Arab blood or not, he still is a pro-Arab anti-Israeli president, so it's not really his blood that counts, but his acts and ideology. If he tells me to stop building in my own capital, he's an anti-Semite, no matter what his race is.

He loses America's best fiends (Poland, India, Israel, others), just because he wants to have the Arabs on his side.

The US has its oil from Mexico and from the Arab countries. You cannot take someone's reasources and claim that you have producted them. Also, you sentence doesn't make any sense.

Iran is not an Arab country, they are Persians. And they are Muslims, not Communists, so their goals are different from Korea's. And their ways are not similar at all, you can't compare South Korea and Israel. North Korea doesn't tell the media how bad South Korea is. They want to attack them, but because of an ideology, not because they want to force their culture on SK. Iran wants to destroy Israel because of religion. These are not the same cases.

I know that they are enemies. One wants to destroy the other because one is Communist. That's why we don't want that one (North Korea) will have nukes. And if they have, we need to destroy them. Before the invasion to SK.

Why? You may want China to have less, but why do you want countries like Israel, France, and the US to lose the nukes? The US needs them so Russia won't attack them. Russia needs them so close countries won't attack it. Israel needs them so Israel's enemies (the Muslim countries) won't attack it, and France needs them because it's one of their protections. So why have less?

Whoever will win the WWIII, we can try to avoid it by not giving up any nukes.

I'm talking about the left-wing in Israel.

I meant, it was our capital FOR 3000+ years, when we had independence, lost it, and declared it by ourselves again. And since THERE WAS NO COUNTRY IN HERE, it is our capital. As I said, Jordan controled it, Jordan attacked us (because they thought that they are going to win), and Jordan lost it. And Jordan don't want it anymore. So it's fully ours.

Eretz Yisrael (the land of Israel) belongs to us, to the Jews, and we have every right to live here, in our homeland.

The US should not help Afganistan. Afganistan wants to destroy India. So the Indians have a pretty good reason to be angry, when the US help the Afgans. So Obama's helping policies towards Afganistan are harming the connection between the US and India.

The right-wing wants nukes, so the US could defend itself. The left-wing wants to leave the US with no protection. And the moment the US will become much weaker than Russia, there might be a war. And because of the left-wing, not only that the war will happen, but the left-wingers might also cause the US to lose the war. Without the nukes, Russia may consider a war, so it will be a pretty good reason to have nukes, even if just to avoid the war.

So you should start listening to him, you'll hear that he's exactly the anti-Semitic pro-Arab person I say he is.

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Try reading my wondeful topic "A religion of peace?" that I've posted in this forum. Really, it's a good one. I just gave up, as I saw how many lies people spread here.

But it does effect his policies.

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You'll understand...

Because the technologies may be destroyed. And no, most of the human civilization is not Western.

Well, Israel needs the nukes, so other countries will be more afraid of attacking us. Still, no one proved that we have nukes, and we have never said that we want to use them. Unlike Iran. Also, the Israeli army is much stronger than the Iranian, so it is unlikely that Israel will choose to use the nukes. Again, unlike Iran.

Because these presidents don't increase the process as much as Obama does.

And the population you're talking about doesn't know what's good for it.

We help those who are ready to recognize us (and we gave help to the Palestinians, even tough the Palestinian mission is to destroy us). The West should stop giving money to the Arab countries.

He stick his nose into Jerusalem, and he wants a Palestinian state. So he's ideology is pretty relevant.

Israel is an independent Jewish state. The Jewish Israelis decide about is the Israeli capital, not you.

We were forced to leave Jerusalem (tough some Jews didn't), and we the Jews came back into the Ottoman empire, that later became the British mandate, and have created and established everything in here by ourselves, and declared independence by ourselves without any help, so we do have the rights to this land.

It has to do with Obama's policies. Obama makes the US lose its friends.

Without the US, Russia may attack everyone and have full help from the Arabs, and control the US lands. Without Russia, the US may have more land, and will also fully control the world. So both countries might want to start a war, but don't do it because of the nukes.

Because he wants the whole Western world to lose its nukes, and, he have decided to do the latest big deal with the nukes, it wasn't Medvedev's idea. Also, I do think that it is also Medvedev's fault. But mostly Obama's.

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They care, but most people realize that it doesn't make a difference, well other then Glenn Beck and his supporters.

Exactly, they share similar goals, so they must have the same idealogy.

Sun Tzu, possibly the greatest military tactician of all time, and whose tactics were one of the reasons the Vietnamese won in Vietnam, said himself that war is a waste of resources, its always better if you take diplomacy. I mean look at Russia, obviously if you get a country to compete with you eventually one is going to crumble.

Thing is, your intruding over other countries, and I'm sure Iraq doesn't want any part in your shit.

That, and I don't recall Hezbollah attacking Turkey. Not to mention, lots of Western countries are good friends with Iran, like Switzerland.

No he's not.

You said he had Arab blood, and due to your blind and severe racism towards Arabs and Arab lovers it makes all the difference with arguing with you. Can you give me an example of how he did an action which was pro-Arab and anti-Israel? So far he hasn't gotten there yet.

No he hasn't, they'd be idiots to leave him, India is fine with the Americans and accept their support, they just want the info they think they are giving the Pakistanni's for their invasion of India.

I said manufacturer, you know, they make it so that it is usable and they distribute it.

Yes in fact North Korea does tell how bad America and South Korea is, its just everyone ignores them. Iran does not want to destroy Israel because of religion, of course you are there because of religion in the first place.

North Korea and Iran are on the same page, the only difference is that they have different idealogies, you ignore their anti-America and anti-(insert local hated country here) statements, hell they even deal arms with each other.


North Korea does have nukes.

Wow. My point was that America and Russia have waaaay too many nukes, much more then they need, so many it would destroy the world if they were all launched, so it would make sense if the two countries wanted to take down a couple thoasand nukes as Israel China and France have shown, you don't need that many.

Problem is that WWIII isn't very likely, I'll just sit back and watch Syria and Iran kick yo ass.

So they hate their own country?

So? That still means it was 2,000+ years ago that it was, it doesn't matter that you were their during Ancient times, you left, there is no such thing as a permanent homeland.

No the war is getting the US to go into Pakistan and help them out because the terrorist groups are crossing over to there, and Pakistan is deep enemies over India due to India's Imperialism.



Are you an idiot? Russia doesn't want a war with the US as much as the US wants a war with Russia, war is a waste of resources and should only be done in the direst of situations. Since 1990 US-Russia relations have been good, neither want a war.

Wow, half your links are heavily biased and don't know what they're talking about, the other half don't even say he's Muslim, just he went to a Catholic school in Indonesia first, then went to a Muslim school for two years. Their ancestrory makes no difference, hell it even said when Barack's dad met his mom he was a confirmed Atheist.

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Afghanistan is not Pakistan. They are separate countries. India is at odds with Pakistan.
This thread has gotten retarded. its beyond salvaging. Burn it and start anew.

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Your ideology does effect your actions. Ahmedinjad is a Muslim and he is Islamizing Iran. Stalin was a Communist and so were his actions. Obama hates Israel and that's how he acts (tells us to stop building in our capital). So of course it makes a difference.

Explain how your sentense has something to do with "What? I was talking about Obama's mission to create a West with no nukes, not about his anti-Semitism." Your answer is 100% not connected to what I have posted. You should raed my answers better.

Russia? What Russia? You mean the Russia that destroys whole villages (of Russians!) just because they feel like it, or the Russia where policemen are beyond the law?

My country Israel is not planning to invade to Iran, just to attack it. And these countries which are "good friends" with Iran, will pay for that later when Hezbollah will attack them. The Hezbollah are an international terror group, they might attack EVERY Western country. Well, they won't attack Turkey, as Tukey has turned into an Islamic country (and the Hezbollah are Muslims).

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And Switzerland is one of the most not objective countries (unlike their claims), remember what they did to Jews and to Jewish money that was in their banks during the holocaust? They still have lots of moneys to pay back to the state of Israel (that will give the money to holocaust survivers), for what they have done.

His "changes" in the US are pretty Socialist, he has Muslim past that even he can't deny, and he hates Israel, and reminds this to us everytime he meets us.

I wouldn't mention his Arab blood if he wasn't such a pro-Arab anti-Semitic president. He tells Jews not to live in the Jewish capital, he said that "the Palestinians are the most miserable people on Earth", he meets with Arab leaders pretty often, he left president Binyamin Netanyahu during their meeting, just to be with his family, and financially supports the Palestinians, he gives orders to Israel and tells the Jews what he thinks that they should do, then he goes to the Arabs and do exactly the same thing - he tells them what orders he gave to Israel and what in his opinion the Jews have to do (instead of giving orders to the Arabs). I can give you much more examples, but these are enough - you can't deny it, Obama is an anti-Semite.

It's not like anyone has any choice, Obama himself prefers to be dependent on Arab oil rather than to have friends in the Western civilization.

May be Obama and the US should try to help their friends, and not stick the nose into the oil countries. It's one thing that you want to have a war with a Muslim country, but at least don't be dependent on their oil.

First of all, we the Jews are here because of pure facts and history, not because of religion. This is our place, always was, and always will be. This is where our nation belongs, and since we build everything by ourselves and declared independence by ourselves on the land of our ansectors which was free of anyone's control (the Ottomans were destoyed and the British... recognized us, eventually), it is 100% our land.

Second, many other countries tell how bad the US is, but they don't do anything, unlike Iran, that actually tries to destroy Israel, and later the US. North Korea deals with local countries. Iran wants to destroy Israel, which is not a local country. Also, Iran is Muslim and NK is Communist, as much as crazy both are, they are also different. And the fact that they share weapons is just for now, they might as well to turn against each other eventually. Also, South Korea won't attack North Korea. Israel might attack Iran, and probably will. So again, they are not on the same map, as you claim.

North Korea should be stopped. By the US. And Iran should be stopped by Israel. Can't you see it?

I'm not sure about Russia and China, but the US and Israel MUST have nukes. It's one of our ways of survival, and I'm not sure we can without it.

I guess you'll be seeing a movie or something, because in reality Israel is much more stronger than Iran and Syria. Israel is the strongest in the Middle-East. If there will be a WWIII, Israel will be on the winning side.

Exactly.

First of all, not all Jews left. Second, we have a strong connection to this land, the land of our culture and nation. Third, we were forced to leave, not just "left". Fourth, we came back by ourselves and established everything here by ourselves, in a place where there was no country, so I can say that since 1880, it is a Jewish state. Tough we were recognized only in 1948. You can't question Israel's right to exist.

The US should support India more. Stop giving help to Pakistan.

It will all be different, the moment there won't be any nukes.

You can't know what's "biased" and what no.

I said Afghanistan instead of Pakistan? I've confused between two Muslim fanatic countries, which are close to each other geographically, and have almost the same name? Shame on me.

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:ditto::gpost::agreed



As for the simultanuous post of Mr. Alex:
Don't involve Turkey in this debate. Seriously don't, Jews live there peacefully. As Catholics. Protestants.... Orthodox churches.

Further, your country will NOT win WW III. No country wins in a war.

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Iran was always Muslim since they were converted, the country has the only Sharia-Democracy in the world. Besides, the President of Iran has no power.

Your not making any sense.

:lulz::lulz::lulz: If you believe that crap then your pretty much a indoctrinated statistic.

And Nazi Germany was the most powerful country in Europe. It doesn't matter how powerful you are, you are facing overwhelming odds.

Yah doesn't help when those Jews left Switzerland. Also, I doubt it was just the Jews, 5 million other people's were killed too.

What Socialist changes? Regulation of fucked up healthcare? He doesn't exactly hate Israel.

So just because someone supports the Palestinians they are an anti-Semite. My my what black and white world you live in.



No he doesn't.

IIRC he has expanded US oil in the US

History? Most of you left 2000+ years ago and now use the " we were here a long time ago!" excuse, I don't see Spain or the US trying to take over the Phillipines again, I don't see Germany trying to get Prussia back again, I don't see the Russians trying to get Manchuria back again, I don't see the British trying to get Australia or New Zealand back again etc.

South Korea will attack North Korea, problem is that North Korea is far more loonly then Iran and far more barbaric (if you see a satellite night photo of NK, the only light is coming from Kim Jong Il's house) and retarded.

I'll be waiting for you to do something then fail epiclly.

YOUR STILL MISSING THE POINT. THE GOAL ISN'T TO HAVE NO NUKES THE GOAL IS TO GET RID OF THE EXCESS NUKES THAT THE USA AND RUSSIA DON'T NEED.

And Nazi Germany is the most powerful country in Europe.

So the Fox news of Israel is the government?

I'm not, I'm just saying you can't use the bullshit excuse of "we were here before"

The US is neutral to the Indian-Pakistan conflict, it supports both nations since India has a huge economy and Pakistan contains many terrorists.

You can't?

Pakistan and Afghanistan are two different countries, and I'm sure they don't really care about Israel.

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I think this has gone on long enough.

One thing, though, Alex. Barack Hussein Obama has a black father and a white mother. He is as much white as he is black, making anti-white racism a bit difficult for him. Although one might argue a Muslim connection through his black father or his stepfather, one cannot argue an Arab connection through either of his parents.