United States and Russia agree to new nuclear arms reduction agreement

[Warforger]

Originally Posted by Alex37

The point is not the two years in a Muslim skul - the point is dat he wrote this fact in a book, but lied to wez srs biznuslic and sed dat it haz nawt happen. The fact dat he is lying to America about who he is, proves only dat wut he tries to hide is the sad truf, and dat he cannot be trusted.

Because no one cares that he's Muslim besides the complete idiots that only Glenn Beck listens too.

Originally Posted by Alex37

And he did sed once dat he wishes a nuclear-free world. dat is one of his democrat liberal (moar like socialist) missions.

And Japan's, does that mean japan is Anti-Semitic, Anti-Zionist and Pro-Iran/Palestinians?

Originally Posted by Alex37

To be honest; how I can haz know wut my goverment is planning. It sems so obvious dat the time to attack is now, dat it has already became a joke in the Israeli society about wai doesn't the goverment to anything. We just wait.

You've waited 30 years and the US has waited 50 on Korea, there is a obvious reason.

Originally Posted by Alex37

And we haz enuf balls (we attack Iraq and Syria once), it's just dat we haz OVER 9000! of pressure on us, from the world, and from the Iran-Syria-Turkey-Hezbollah's direction. "We dun dun attack - we dun has balls. We attack - we are war BAD KITTEHS!@." dat's pretty much the world's policy about us.

Turkey doesn't seem to care much, just Turkey's media does. Besides, Syria, Turkey and Iran hav pretty good living conditions, just Iran has a oppressive government.

Originally Posted by Alex37

Other than wut I haz sed above, no one has gave any real explanation to wai this cat is an anti-Israeli pro-Arab president. Crazyness? May be. Islamism? Certainly. And his "Church" is anti-Semitic. He nebber left it. Know wai? cuz he agrees wif it. He luvs his anti-Semitic priest (who denies the holocaust, like his obviously gud buddeh, Ahmedinjad), cuz he gives the legitimacy to anti-Semitic statments. Obama can nebber be a buddeh of Israel, or any other self-respecting Jewish society.

Great. But you do realize you don't sound all that better then the religious retards screaming OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST, HE'S A RACIST, COMMUNIST AND DIRTY MUSLIM

Originally Posted by Alex37

i can haz already answered the first statment, and as for the question, you should know dat he has roots in Arab countries. But his Arab blood is not as important as his Islamic ideology. As mch as race effects kittehs, ideology and religion effect even moar. And before you all turn on ur racist alert (it's probably too late), I should tell you dat Obama himself (we're talking about the president of the US, remember?) is extrimely racist. cuz of his Church. His priest is extrimely anti-Jewish and anti-White cat. boaf Obama and his priest are "black racists" - an ideology dat prefers the blacks over the whites. Thei boaf are as bahd as the KKK.

Can you give some quotes please? Obama made some statements which sounded racist towards whites, but it wasn't really that racist, then again, he is half white, wait his Dad is Kenyan, so he has no Arabic blood.....

Originally Posted by Alex37

I hate Obama so much, and I told you OVER 9000! reasosn, I wantz to say sumthing dat I am not allowed to say about him. So I will just tink it, and you all will has to guess wut it is. srsly tough, his policies are varry harmful.

How?

Originally Posted by Alex37

One may completely lose. A WweeI. If the US wins (and it will, if this will happen), we can say evarything is gud. But if not, boaf Russia and the oil countries (mostly Arab countries, though others too) will control this world. Until thar will be left no oil and evarything will gone back to 3world countries. cuz the no-oil texshnologies are in the paws of the West. No West + no oil = the end of human civilization, as we know it.

Your an idiot. The USA is the #1 manufacturer of oil, thats why Russia is so important to Iran.

Originally Posted by Alex37

Israel is in danger, allwais. Israel doesn't wantz to use the nuclear can opunrz. The world has recognized Israel's right to has nuclear can opunrz. You can't compare this to Iran and NK, you simply can't.

Why? Because one is a filthy arab muslim country and the other is just Korea? You can easily compared Iran and NK since they have similar statements, similar goals and similar threats, plus similar way of carrying them out, not doing anything.

Originally Posted by Alex37

And NK may not invade anyone, but you dun wantz dem to has nukes, this is varry dangerous.

Do you know anything about the NK vs. SK ordeal?

Originally Posted by Alex37

I blame Obama for not stopping this proccess, and for trying to give moar legitimacy to this process. He just tries to has a Western world wif no nukes. moar than any other president. So you should expect dat the world won't like it.

Have you ever heard of Ronald Reagan? Again, your forgetting the Nuclear Weapon count, Israel has 200, France has 200, China has 200 and NK has about 15, America has about 15,000 and Russia has about 20,000, so it makes sense to want less nukes.

Originally Posted by Alex37

And if Russia destroys the US, it will control evarything. Until the end of the human civilization, as I already sed. My country, Israel, the "the US' best buddeh", has the texshnologies to has a world wif no oil, so we will stop giving money to the Arab Muslim terror-pebcaker countries. wif no US or Israel, the world will still eat the Arabs' oil until it will end, then the world will be left wif no energy. By not bein dependent on oil, you actually save urfs. Israel (and, eventually, the US) has the texshnologies for dat, so you should tink about it next time you scream "boycot Israel blah blah blah!!!".

I assume the US will get it first.

Originally Posted by Alex37

The left-wingers choose to listen to Obam and the EU. I guess thei hate Israel, der only homeland.

Originally Posted by Alex37

It's the work of Ehud Barak, if not him, Iran's nuclear factories were gone long time ago.

Spoiler:

dat's wut happen wen you blindly push it to the left-wing... Proved by the history.

If it wasn't for left wingers the US would not have attained the power status it has today.

Originally Posted by Alex37

wai? wut does building in our capital has to do wif the peace process? we haz evary right to build in Jerusalem. The world wantzs my city Tel - Aviv to be the capital, but ALL OF US disagree. cuz 3000+ years old Jerusalem is ours. Remember 1967? Jordan? Jordan attacked, Jordan lost. And Jordan doesn't wantz it back (and even if thei do, thei dun has the right, cuz thei started the war, but anywai, thei dun wantz it back,). It has nuffin to do wif the piss (not peace, but piss) process wif the Palestinians. And yes, it is piss process, cuz it's like a 3D movie, it's so close, you can actually tink dat it's real, even if it's not at all.

It doesn't matter if 3000+ years ago it was your capital, that was 3,000+ years ago, you don't see Poland renaming itself Warsaw, do you?

Originally Posted by Alex37

The Indians hate Obama's pebcak towards Afganistan.

Because of the shit in Pakistan oh

Originally Posted by Alex37

The thing is not der ability to destroy urfs, it's just dat wif no nuclear can opunrz, nuffin will stop a war between the US and Russia. And I say "no nuclear can opunrz", cuz this is Obama's mission. You dun take risks wif WWs. At least, you should not take such risks, espeshully if ur the US president.

There is nothing building up a war between the US and Russia, its just right wing idiots who wants one for no real reason at all.

[Mr. Pedantic]

The point is not the two years in a Muslim school - the point is that he wrote this fact in a book, but lied to the public and said that it didn't happen. The fact that he is lying to America about who he is, proves only that what he tries to hide is the sad truth, and that he cannot be trusted.

And he did said once that he wishes a nuclear-free world. That is one of his democrat liberal (more like socialist) missions.

Did he? I've never heard him deny the fact.

I have already answered the first statment, and as for the question, you should know that he has roots in Arab countries. But his Arab blood is not as important as his Islamic ideology.

Can you post proof of this?

And before you all turn on your racist alert (it's probably too late), I should tell you that Obama himself (we're talking about the president of the US, remember?) is extrimely racist. Because of his Church. His priest is extrimely anti-Jewish and anti-White person. Both Obama and his priest are "black racists" - an ideology that prefers the blacks over the whites. They both are as bad as the KKK.

To be honest, as long as it doesn't interfere with national policy, I couldn't care less if he believed green men from Mars kidnapped his wife.

I hate Obama so much, and I told you many reasosn, I want to say something that I am not allowed to say about him. So I will just think it, and you all will have to guess what it is. Seriously tough, his policies are very harmful.

Why aren't you allowed to say it?

One may completely lose. A WWIII. If the US wins (and it will, if this will happen), we can say everything is good. But if not, both Russia and the oil countries (mostly Arab countries, though others too) will control this world. Until there will be left no oil and everything will gone back to 3world countries. Because the no-oil technologies are in the hands of the West. No West + no oil = the end of human civilization, as we know it.

That's because human civilization pretty much [b]is[/]b Western civilization. But going back to your argument; if Russia et al. do win a third world war, then why won't they have these "no-oil technologies" you're talking about? When Allies won WW2 they basically stripped Berlin dry of anything that had remote technological value. Why won't this happen again?

Israel is in danger, allways. Israel doesn't want to use the nuclear weapons. The world has recognized Israel's right to have nuclear weapons. You can't compare this to Iran and NK, you simply can't.

No, we haven't. The only good thing about your possession of nuclear weapons is that you haven't used them yet. You haven't acknowledged the existence of nuclear weapons. You haven't signed the non-proliferation treaty. In short, you haven't done a lot of the things that would go towards me trusting you with nukes.

blame Obama for not stopping this proccess, and for trying to give more legitimacy to this process. He just tries to have a Western world with no nukes. More than any other president. So you should expect that the world won't like it.

Then why don't you blame Bush for not stopping the process? Why don't you blame Medvedev? Putin? Gorbachev? Clinton? Why specifically Obama?

And I admit that I haven't done a poll or anything, but I think that I would be hard pressed to find a significant proportion of the population that would not welcome a world where the knowledge to build a nuclear weapon did not exist.

And if Russia destroys the US, it will control everything. Until the end of the human civilization, as I already said. My country, Israel, the "the US' best friend", has the technologies to have a world with no oil, so we will stop giving money to the Arab Muslim terror-supporter countries. With no US or Israel, the world will still eat the Arabs' oil until it will end, then the world will be left with no energy. By not being dependent on oil, you actually save Earth. Israel (and, eventually, the US) has the technologies for that, so you should think about it next time you scream "boycot Israel blah blah blah!!!".

I never realized you gave aid to Arab countries in the first place.

And I'm afraid I'm going to have to say there's too much bullshit here, again. I just can't cope.

It is relevant, because personal ideology is relevant. You're question isn't smart at all, honestly.

So why is ideology relevant? There is no proof that even if Obama were all you claimed he was, that it has come through in his administration's policies. So why give him such a hard time about it?

The world wants my city Tel - Aviv to be the capital, but ALL OF US disagree.

I'd have to say, if it came down to it, there are a lot more of us than there are of you.

Because 3000+ years old Jerusalem is ours.

And then after that it wasn't any more. Honestly. It's like if you own a house, but then you default on your mortgage repayments, the bank repossesses it, then sells it off. You can't come back a few decades later and just repossess it again. The police would have you arrested.

The Indians hate Obama's support towards Afganistan.

And again, this has to do with nuclear weapons...how, exactly?

The thing is not their ability to destroy Earth, it's just that with no nuclear weapons, nothing will stop a war between the US and Russia.

You mean, apart from the fact that they are both better off without a war?

And I say "no nuclear weapons", because this is Obama's mission. You don't take risks with WWs. At least, you should not take such risks, especially if you're the US president.

It takes two people to disarm the US and Russia. Why don't you mention Medvedev in any of this? Why is Obama solely to blame?

[Alex37]

Because no one cares that he's Muslim besides the complete idiots that only Glenn Beck listens too.

I disagree, I'm sure that people care about their president's ideology and religion.

And Japan's, does that mean japan is Anti-Semitic, Anti-Zionist and Pro-Iran/Palestinians?

What? I was talking about Obama's mission to create a West with no nukes, not about his anti-Semitism.

You've waited 30 years and the US has waited 50 on Korea, there is a obvious reason.

The reason is then left-wing, people who actually think that diplomacy can help when it comes to Islam / Communism.

Turkey doesn't seem to care much, just Turkey's media does. Besides, Syria, Turkey and Iran hav pretty good living conditions, just Iran has a oppressive government.

I'm sure that Turkey will care, when Israeli war-jets will fly over Iran's nuclear factories and will destroy the Iranian nukes. Iran and Turkey are good friends. That's one of the reasons why Iran created the Hezbollah, and Turkey doesn't care about it.

Great. But you do realize you don't sound all that better then the religious retards screaming OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST, HE'S A RACIST, COMMUNIST AND DIRTY MUSLIM

I'm not saying that he's the anti-Christ, as I am Jewish and we don't believe in this. But he is a racist, socialist Muslim.

Can you give some quotes please? Obama made some statements which sounded racist towards whites, but it wasn't really that racist, then again, he is half white, wait his Dad is Kenyan, so he has no Arabic blood.....

You want me to give you the anti-Semitic and the anti-white statments of Obama's priest? And whether he has Arab blood or not, he still is a pro-Arab anti-Israeli president, so it's not really his blood that counts, but his acts and ideology. If he tells me to stop building in my own capital, he's an anti-Semite, no matter what his race is.

How?

He loses America's best fiends (Poland, India, Israel, others), just because he wants to have the Arabs on his side.

Your an idiot. The USA is the #1 manufacturer of oil, thats why Russia is so important to Iran.

The US has its oil from Mexico and from the Arab countries. You cannot take someone's reasources and claim that you have producted them. Also, you sentence doesn't make any sense.

Why? Because one is a filthy arab muslim country and the other is just Korea? You can easily compared Iran and NK since they have similar statements, similar goals and similar threats, plus similar way of carrying them out, not doing anything.

Iran is not an Arab country, they are Persians. And they are Muslims, not Communists, so their goals are different from Korea's. And their ways are not similar at all, you can't compare South Korea and Israel. North Korea doesn't tell the media how bad South Korea is. They want to attack them, but because of an ideology, not because they want to force their culture on SK. Iran wants to destroy Israel because of religion. These are not the same cases.

Do you know anything about the NK vs. SK ordeal?

I know that they are enemies. One wants to destroy the other because one is Communist. That's why we don't want that one (North Korea) will have nukes. And if they have, we need to destroy them. Before the invasion to SK.

Have you ever heard of Ronald Reagan? Again, your forgetting the Nuclear Weapon count, Israel has 200, France has 200, China has 200 and NK has about 15, America has about 15,000 and Russia has about 20,000, so it makes sense to want less nukes.

Why? You may want China to have less, but why do you want countries like Israel, France, and the US to lose the nukes? The US needs them so Russia won't attack them. Russia needs them so close countries won't attack it. Israel needs them so Israel's enemies (the Muslim countries) won't attack it, and France needs them because it's one of their protections. So why have less?

I assume the US will get it first....

Whoever will win the WWIII, we can try to avoid it by not giving up any nukes.

If it wasn't for left wingers the US would not have attained the power status it has today.

I'm talking about the left-wing in Israel.

It doesn't matter if 3000+ years ago it was your capital, that was 3,000+ years ago, you don't see Poland renaming itself Warsaw, do you?

I meant, it was our capital FOR 3000+ years, when we had independence, lost it, and declared it by ourselves again. And since THERE WAS NO COUNTRY IN HERE, it is our capital. As I said, Jordan controled it, Jordan attacked us (because they thought that they are going to win), and Jordan lost it. And Jordan don't want it anymore. So it's fully ours.

Eretz Yisrael (the land of Israel) belongs to us, to the Jews, and we have every right to live here, in our homeland.

Because of the shit in Pakistan oh

The US should not help Afganistan. Afganistan wants to destroy India. So the Indians have a pretty good reason to be angry, when the US help the Afgans. So Obama's helping policies towards Afganistan are harming the connection between the US and India.

There is nothing building up a war between the US and Russia, its just right wing idiots who wants one for no real reason at all.

The right-wing wants nukes, so the US could defend itself. The left-wing wants to leave the US with no protection. And the moment the US will become much weaker than Russia, there might be a war. And because of the left-wing, not only that the war will happen, but the left-wingers might also cause the US to lose the war. Without the nukes, Russia may consider a war, so it will be a pretty good reason to have nukes, even if just to avoid the war.

Originally Posted by Mr. Pedantic

Did he? I've never heard him deny the fact.

So you should start listening to him, you'll hear that he's exactly the anti-Semitic pro-Arab person I say he is.

Can you post proof of this?

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Try reading my wondeful topic "A religion of peace?" that I've posted in this forum. Really, it's a good one. I just gave up, as I saw how many lies people spread here.

To be honest, as long as it doesn't interfere with national policy, I couldn't care less if he believed green men from Mars kidnapped his wife.

But it does effect his policies.

Why aren't you allowed to say it?

YouTube - Whitest Kids U Know: It's illegal to say...
You'll understand...

That's because human civilization pretty much [b]is[/]b Western civilization. But going back to your argument; if Russia et al. do win a third world war, then why won't they have these "no-oil technologies" you're talking about? When Allies won WW2 they basically stripped Berlin dry of anything that had remote technological value. Why won't this happen again?

Because the technologies may be destroyed. And no, most of the human civilization is not Western.

No, we haven't. The only good thing about your possession of nuclear weapons is that you haven't used them yet. You haven't acknowledged the existence of nuclear weapons. You haven't signed the non-proliferation treaty. In short, you haven't done a lot of the things that would go towards me trusting you with nukes.

Well, Israel needs the nukes, so other countries will be more afraid of attacking us. Still, no one proved that we have nukes, and we have never said that we want to use them. Unlike Iran. Also, the Israeli army is much stronger than the Iranian, so it is unlikely that Israel will choose to use the nukes. Again, unlike Iran.

Then why don't you blame Bush for not stopping the process? Why don't you blame Medvedev? Putin? Gorbachev? Clinton? Why specifically Obama?

And I admit that I haven't done a poll or anything, but I think that I would be hard pressed to find a significant proportion of the population that would not welcome a world where the knowledge to build a nuclear weapon did not exist.

Because these presidents don't increase the process as much as Obama does.

And the population you're talking about doesn't know what's good for it.

I never realized you gave aid to Arab countries in the first place.

And I'm afraid I'm going to have to say there's too much bullshit here, again. I just can't cope.

We help those who are ready to recognize us (and we gave help to the Palestinians, even tough the Palestinian mission is to destroy us). The West should stop giving money to the Arab countries.

So why is ideology relevant? There is no proof that even if Obama were all you claimed he was, that it has come through in his administration's policies. So why give him such a hard time about it?

He stick his nose into Jerusalem, and he wants a Palestinian state. So he's ideology is pretty relevant.

I'd have to say, if it came down to it, there are a lot more of us than there are of you.

Israel is an independent Jewish state. The Jewish Israelis decide about is the Israeli capital, not you.

And then after that it wasn't any more. Honestly. It's like if you own a house, but then you default on your mortgage repayments, the bank repossesses it, then sells it off. You can't come back a few decades later and just repossess it again. The police would have you arrested.

We were forced to leave Jerusalem (tough some Jews didn't), and we the Jews came back into the Ottoman empire, that later became the British mandate, and have created and established everything in here by ourselves, and declared independence by ourselves without any help, so we do have the rights to this land.

And again, this has to do with nuclear weapons...how, exactly?

It has to do with Obama's policies. Obama makes the US lose its friends.

You mean, apart from the fact that they are both better off without a war?

Without the US, Russia may attack everyone and have full help from the Arabs, and control the US lands. Without Russia, the US may have more land, and will also fully control the world. So both countries might want to start a war, but don't do it because of the nukes.

It takes two people to disarm the US and Russia. Why don't you mention Medvedev in any of this? Why is Obama solely to blame?

Because he wants the whole Western world to lose its nukes, and, he have decided to do the latest big deal with the nukes, it wasn't Medvedev's idea. Also, I do think that it is also Medvedev's fault. But mostly Obama's.

[Warforger]

Originally Posted by Alex37

I disagree, I'm sure that people care about their president's ideology and religion.

They care, but most people realize that it doesn't make a difference, well other then Glenn Beck and his supporters.

Originally Posted by Alex37

What? I was talking about Obama's mission to create a West with no nukes, not about his anti-Semitism.

Exactly, they share similar goals, so they must have the same idealogy.

Originally Posted by Alex37

The reason is then left-wing, people who actually think that diplomacy can help when it comes to Islam / Communism.

Sun Tzu, possibly the greatest military tactician of all time, and whose tactics were one of the reasons the Vietnamese won in Vietnam, said himself that war is a waste of resources, its always better if you take diplomacy. I mean look at Russia, obviously if you get a country to compete with you eventually one is going to crumble.

Originally Posted by Alex37

I'm sure that Turkey will care, when Israeli war-jets will fly over Iran's nuclear factories and will destroy the Iranian nukes. Iran and Turkey are good friends. That's one of the reasons why Iran created the Hezbollah, and Turkey doesn't care about it.

Thing is, your intruding over other countries, and I'm sure Iraq doesn't want any part in your shit.

That, and I don't recall Hezbollah attacking Turkey. Not to mention, lots of Western countries are good friends with Iran, like Switzerland.

Originally Posted by Alex37

I'm not saying that he's the anti-Christ, as I am Jewish and we don't believe in this. But he is a racist, socialist Muslim.

No he's not.

Originally Posted by Alex37

You want me to give you the anti-Semitic and the anti-white statments of Obama's priest? And whether he has Arab blood or not, he still is a pro-Arab anti-Israeli president, so it's not really his blood that counts, but his acts and ideology. If he tells me to stop building in my own capital, he's an anti-Semite, no matter what his race is.

You said he had Arab blood, and due to your blind and severe racism towards Arabs and Arab lovers it makes all the difference with arguing with you. Can you give me an example of how he did an action which was pro-Arab and anti-Israel? So far he hasn't gotten there yet.

Originally Posted by Alex37

He loses America's best fiends (Poland, India, Israel, others), just because he wants to have the Arabs on his side.

No he hasn't, they'd be idiots to leave him, India is fine with the Americans and accept their support, they just want the info they think they are giving the Pakistanni's for their invasion of India.

Originally Posted by Alex37

The US has its oil from Mexico and from the Arab countries. You cannot take someone's reasources and claim that you have producted them. Also, you sentence doesn't make any sense.

I said manufacturer, you know, they make it so that it is usable and they distribute it.

Originally Posted by Alex37

Iran is not an Arab country, they are Persians. And they are Muslims, not Communists, so their goals are different from Korea's. And their ways are not similar at all, you can't compare South Korea and Israel. North Korea doesn't tell the media how bad South Korea is. They want to attack them, but because of an ideology, not because they want to force their culture on SK. Iran wants to destroy Israel because of religion. These are not the same cases.

Yes in fact North Korea does tell how bad America and South Korea is, its just everyone ignores them. Iran does not want to destroy Israel because of religion, of course you are there because of religion in the first place.

North Korea and Iran are on the same page, the only difference is that they have different idealogies, you ignore their anti-America and anti-(insert local hated country here) statements, hell they even deal arms with each other.

Originally Posted by Alex37

I know that they are enemies. One wants to destroy the other because one is Communist. That's why we don't want that one (North Korea) will have nukes. And if they have, we need to destroy them. Before the invasion to SK.

North Korea does have nukes.

Originally Posted by Alex37

Why? You may want China to have less, but why do you want countries like Israel, France, and the US to lose the nukes? The US needs them so Russia won't attack them. Russia needs them so close countries won't attack it. Israel needs them so Israel's enemies (the Muslim countries) won't attack it, and France needs them because it's one of their protections. So why have less?

Wow. My point was that America and Russia have waaaay too many nukes, much more then they need, so many it would destroy the world if they were all launched, so it would make sense if the two countries wanted to take down a couple thoasand nukes as Israel China and France have shown, you don't need that many.

Originally Posted by Alex37

Whoever will win the WWIII, we can try to avoid it by not giving up any nukes.

Problem is that WWIII isn't very likely, I'll just sit back and watch Syria and Iran kick yo ass.

Originally Posted by Alex37

I'm talking about the left-wing in Israel.

So they hate their own country?

Originally Posted by Alex37

I meant, it was our capital FOR 3000+ years, when we had independence, lost it, and declared it by ourselves again. And since THERE WAS NO COUNTRY IN HERE, it is our capital. As I said, Jordan controled it, Jordan attacked us (because they thought that they are going to win), and Jordan lost it. And Jordan don't want it anymore. So it's fully ours.

Eretz Yisrael (the land of Israel) belongs to us, to the Jews, and we have every right to live here, in our homeland.

So? That still means it was 2,000+ years ago that it was, it doesn't matter that you were their during Ancient times, you left, there is no such thing as a permanent homeland.

Originally Posted by Alex37

The US should not help Afganistan. Afganistan wants to destroy India. So the Indians have a pretty good reason to be angry, when the US help the Afgans. So Obama's helping policies towards Afganistan are harming the connection between the US and India.

No the war is getting the US to go into Pakistan and help them out because the terrorist groups are crossing over to there, and Pakistan is deep enemies over India due to India's Imperialism.

Originally Posted by Alex37

The right-wing wants nukes, so the US could defend itself. The left-wing wants to leave the US with no protection. And the moment the US will become much weaker than Russia, there might be a war. And because of the left-wing, not only that the war will happen, but the left-wingers might also cause the US to lose the war. Without the nukes, Russia may consider a war, so it will be a pretty good reason to have nukes, even if just to avoid the war.

Are you an idiot? Russia doesn't want a war with the US as much as the US wants a war with Russia, war is a waste of resources and should only be done in the direst of situations. Since 1990 US-Russia relations have been good, neither want a war.

Originally Posted by Alex37

So you should start listening to him, you'll hear that he's exactly the anti-Semitic pro-Arab person I say he is.


Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama? - Examiner.com
Obama accused of <I>helping</i> Iran
Obama Lies - Updated to reflect new dishonesties 04/03/2008 | THE AUDACITY OF HYPOCRISY | Media Lies | ObamaLies.com | Exposing Mainstream Media Hypocrisy and Lies
Atlas Shrugs: Muslim in the White House?
ETC ETC ETC

Try reading my wondeful topic "A religion of peace?" that I've posted in this forum. Really, it's a good one. I just gave up, as I saw how many lies people spread here.

Wow, half your links are heavily biased and don't know what they're talking about, the other half don't even say he's Muslim, just he went to a Catholic school in Indonesia first, then went to a Muslim school for two years. Their ancestrory makes no difference, hell it even said when Barack's dad met his mom he was a confirmed Atheist.

[Roaming East]

Afghanistan is not Pakistan. They are separate countries. India is at odds with Pakistan.
This thread has gotten retarded. its beyond salvaging. Burn it and start anew.

[Alex37]

They care, but most people realize that it doesn't make a difference, well other then Glenn Beck and his supporters.

Your ideology does effect your actions. Ahmedinjad is a Muslim and he is Islamizing Iran. Stalin was a Communist and so were his actions. Obama hates Israel and that's how he acts (tells us to stop building in our capital). So of course it makes a difference.

Exactly, they share similar goals, so they must have the same idealogy.

Explain how your sentense has something to do with "What? I was talking about Obama's mission to create a West with no nukes, not about his anti-Semitism." Your answer is 100% not connected to what I have posted. You should raed my answers better.

Sun Tzu, possibly the greatest military tactician of all time, and whose tactics were one of the reasons the Vietnamese won in Vietnam, said himself that war is a waste of resources, its always better if you take diplomacy. I mean look at Russia, obviously if you get a country to compete with you eventually one is going to crumble.

Russia? What Russia? You mean the Russia that destroys whole villages (of Russians!) just because they feel like it, or the Russia where policemen are beyond the law?

Thing is, your intruding over other countries, and I'm sure Iraq doesn't want any part in your shit.

That, and I don't recall Hezbollah attacking Turkey. Not to mention, lots of Western countries are good friends with Iran, like Switzerland.

My country Israel is not planning to invade to Iran, just to attack it. And these countries which are "good friends" with Iran, will pay for that later when Hezbollah will attack them. The Hezbollah are an international terror group, they might attack EVERY Western country. Well, they won't attack Turkey, as Tukey has turned into an Islamic country (and the Hezbollah are Muslims).



And Switzerland is one of the most not objective countries (unlike their claims), remember what they did to Jews and to Jewish money that was in their banks during the holocaust? They still have lots of moneys to pay back to the state of Israel (that will give the money to holocaust survivers), for what they have done.

No he's not.

His "changes" in the US are pretty Socialist, he has Muslim past that even he can't deny, and he hates Israel, and reminds this to us everytime he meets us.

You said he had Arab blood, and due to your blind and severe racism towards Arabs and Arab lovers it makes all the difference with arguing with you. Can you give me an example of how he did an action which was pro-Arab and anti-Israel? So far he hasn't gotten there yet.

I wouldn't mention his Arab blood if he wasn't such a pro-Arab anti-Semitic president. He tells Jews not to live in the Jewish capital, he said that "the Palestinians are the most miserable people on Earth", he meets with Arab leaders pretty often, he left president Binyamin Netanyahu during their meeting, just to be with his family, and financially supports the Palestinians, he gives orders to Israel and tells the Jews what he thinks that they should do, then he goes to the Arabs and do exactly the same thing - he tells them what orders he gave to Israel and what in his opinion the Jews have to do (instead of giving orders to the Arabs). I can give you much more examples, but these are enough - you can't deny it, Obama is an anti-Semite.

No he hasn't, they'd be idiots to leave him, India is fine with the Americans and accept their support, they just want the info they think they are giving the Pakistanni's for their invasion of India.

It's not like anyone has any choice, Obama himself prefers to be dependent on Arab oil rather than to have friends in the Western civilization.

I said manufacturer, you know, they make it so that it is usable and they distribute it.

May be Obama and the US should try to help their friends, and not stick the nose into the oil countries. It's one thing that you want to have a war with a Muslim country, but at least don't be dependent on their oil.

Yes in fact North Korea does tell how bad America and South Korea is, its just everyone ignores them. Iran does not want to destroy Israel because of religion, of course you are there because of religion in the first place.

North Korea and Iran are on the same page, the only difference is that they have different idealogies, you ignore their anti-America and anti-(insert local hated country here) statements, hell they even deal arms with each other.

First of all, we the Jews are here because of pure facts and history, not because of religion. This is our place, always was, and always will be. This is where our nation belongs, and since we build everything by ourselves and declared independence by ourselves on the land of our ansectors which was free of anyone's control (the Ottomans were destoyed and the British... recognized us, eventually), it is 100% our land.

Second, many other countries tell how bad the US is, but they don't do anything, unlike Iran, that actually tries to destroy Israel, and later the US. North Korea deals with local countries. Iran wants to destroy Israel, which is not a local country. Also, Iran is Muslim and NK is Communist, as much as crazy both are, they are also different. And the fact that they share weapons is just for now, they might as well to turn against each other eventually. Also, South Korea won't attack North Korea. Israel might attack Iran, and probably will. So again, they are not on the same map, as you claim.

North Korea does have nukes.

North Korea should be stopped. By the US. And Iran should be stopped by Israel. Can't you see it?

Wow. My point was that America and Russia have waaaay too many nukes, much more then they need, so many it would destroy the world if they were all launched, so it would make sense if the two countries wanted to take down a couple thoasand nukes as Israel China and France have shown, you don't need that many.

I'm not sure about Russia and China, but the US and Israel MUST have nukes. It's one of our ways of survival, and I'm not sure we can without it.

Problem is that WWIII isn't very likely, I'll just sit back and watch Syria and Iran kick yo ass.

I guess you'll be seeing a movie or something, because in reality Israel is much more stronger than Iran and Syria. Israel is the strongest in the Middle-East. If there will be a WWIII, Israel will be on the winning side.

So they hate their own country?

Exactly.

So? That still means it was 2,000+ years ago that it was, it doesn't matter that you were their during Ancient times, you left, there is no such thing as a permanent homeland.

First of all, not all Jews left. Second, we have a strong connection to this land, the land of our culture and nation. Third, we were forced to leave, not just "left". Fourth, we came back by ourselves and established everything here by ourselves, in a place where there was no country, so I can say that since 1880, it is a Jewish state. Tough we were recognized only in 1948. You can't question Israel's right to exist.

No the war is getting the US to go into Pakistan and help them out because the terrorist groups are crossing over to there, and Pakistan is deep enemies over India due to India's Imperialism.

The US should support India more. Stop giving help to Pakistan.

Are you an idiot? Russia doesn't want a war with the US as much as the US wants a war with Russia, war is a waste of resources and should only be done in the direst of situations. Since 1990 US-Russia relations have been good, neither want a war.

It will all be different, the moment there won't be any nukes.

Wow, half your links are heavily biased and don't know what they're talking about, the other half don't even say he's Muslim, just he went to a Catholic school in Indonesia first, then went to a Muslim school for two years. Their ancestrory makes no difference, hell it even said when Barack's dad met his mom he was a confirmed Atheist.

You can't know what's "biased" and what no.

Afghanistan is not Pakistan. They are separate countries. India is at odds with Pakistan.
This thread has gotten retarded. its beyond salvaging. Burn it and start anew.

I said Afghanistan instead of Pakistan? I've confused between two Muslim fanatic countries, which are close to each other geographically, and have almost the same name? Shame on me.

[Embee]

Originally Posted by Roaming East

This thread has gotten retarded. its beyond salvaging. Burn it and start anew.

As for the simultanuous post of Mr. Alex:
Don't involve Turkey in this debate. Seriously don't, Jews live there peacefully. As Catholics. Protestants.... Orthodox churches.

Further, your country will NOT win WW III. No country wins in a war.

[Warforger]

Originally Posted by Alex37

Your ideology does effect your actions. Ahmedinjad is a Muslim and he is Islamizing Iran. Stalin was a Communist and so were his actions. Obama hates Israel and that's how he acts (tells us to stop building in our capital). So of course it makes a difference.

Iran was always Muslim since they were converted, the country has the only Sharia-Democracy in the world. Besides, the President of Iran has no power.

Originally Posted by Alex37

Explain how your sentense has something to do with "What? I was talking about Obama's mission to create a West with no nukes, not about his anti-Semitism." Your answer is 100% not connected to what I have posted. You should raed my answers better.

Your not making any sense.

Originally Posted by Alex37

Russia? What Russia? You mean the Russia that destroys whole villages (of Russians!) just because they feel like it, or the Russia where policemen are beyond the law?

If you believe that crap then your pretty much a indoctrinated statistic.

Originally Posted by Alex37

My country Israel is not planning to invade to Iran, just to attack it. And these countries which are "good friends" with Iran, will pay for that later when Hezbollah will attack them. The Hezbollah are an international terror group, they might attack EVERY Western country. Well, they won't attack Turkey, as Tukey has turned into an Islamic country (and the Hezbollah are Muslims).

And Nazi Germany was the most powerful country in Europe. It doesn't matter how powerful you are, you are facing overwhelming odds.

Originally Posted by Alex37

And Switzerland is one of the most not objective countries (unlike their claims), remember what they did to Jews and to Jewish money that was in their banks during the holocaust? They still have lots of moneys to pay back to the state of Israel (that will give the money to holocaust survivers), for what they have done.

Yah doesn't help when those Jews left Switzerland. Also, I doubt it was just the Jews, 5 million other people's were killed too.

Originally Posted by Alex37

His "changes" in the US are pretty Socialist, he has Muslim past that even he can't deny, and he hates Israel, and reminds this to us everytime he meets us.

What Socialist changes? Regulation of fucked up healthcare? He doesn't exactly hate Israel.

Originally Posted by Alex37

I wouldn't mention his Arab blood if he wasn't such a pro-Arab anti-Semitic president. He tells Jews not to live in the Jewish capital, he said that "the Palestinians are the most miserable people on Earth", he meets with Arab leaders pretty often, he left president Binyamin Netanyahu during their meeting, just to be with his family, and financially supports the Palestinians, he gives orders to Israel and tells the Jews what he thinks that they should do, then he goes to the Arabs and do exactly the same thing - he tells them what orders he gave to Israel and what in his opinion the Jews have to do (instead of giving orders to the Arabs). I can give you much more examples, but these are enough - you can't deny it, Obama is an anti-Semite.

So just because someone supports the Palestinians they are an anti-Semite. My my what black and white world you live in.

Originally Posted by Alex37

It's not like anyone has any choice, Obama himself prefers to be dependent on Arab oil rather than to have friends in the Western civilization.

No he doesn't.

Originally Posted by Alex37

May be Obama and the US should try to help their friends, and not stick the nose into the oil countries. It's one thing that you want to have a war with a Muslim country, but at least don't be dependent on their oil.

IIRC he has expanded US oil in the US

Originally Posted by Alex37

First of all, we the Jews are here because of pure facts and history, not because of religion. This is our place, always was, and always will be. This is where our nation belongs, and since we build everything by ourselves and declared independence by ourselves on the land of our ansectors which was free of anyone's control (the Ottomans were destoyed and the British... recognized us, eventually), it is 100% our land.

History? Most of you left 2000+ years ago and now use the " we were here a long time ago!" excuse, I don't see Spain or the US trying to take over the Phillipines again, I don't see Germany trying to get Prussia back again, I don't see the Russians trying to get Manchuria back again, I don't see the British trying to get Australia or New Zealand back again etc.

Originally Posted by Alex37

Second, many other countries tell how bad the US is, but they don't do anything, unlike Iran, that actually tries to destroy Israel, and later the US. North Korea deals with local countries. Iran wants to destroy Israel, which is not a local country. Also, Iran is Muslim and NK is Communist, as much as crazy both are, they are also different. And the fact that they share weapons is just for now, they might as well to turn against each other eventually. Also, South Korea won't attack North Korea. Israel might attack Iran, and probably will. So again, they are not on the same map, as you claim.

South Korea will attack North Korea, problem is that North Korea is far more loonly then Iran and far more barbaric (if you see a satellite night photo of NK, the only light is coming from Kim Jong Il's house) and retarded.

Originally Posted by Alex37

North Korea should be stopped. By the US. And Iran should be stopped by Israel. Can't you see it?

I'll be waiting for you to do something then fail epiclly.

Originally Posted by Alex37

I'm not sure about Russia and China, but the US and Israel MUST have nukes. It's one of our ways of survival, and I'm not sure we can without it.

YOUR STILL MISSING THE POINT. THE GOAL ISN'T TO HAVE NO NUKES THE GOAL IS TO GET RID OF THE EXCESS NUKES THAT THE USA AND RUSSIA DON'T NEED.

Originally Posted by Alex37

I guess you'll be seeing a movie or something, because in reality Israel is much more stronger than Iran and Syria. Israel is the strongest in the Middle-East. If there will be a WWIII, Israel will be on the winning side.

And Nazi Germany is the most powerful country in Europe.

Originally Posted by Alex37

Exactly.

So the Fox news of Israel is the government?

Originally Posted by Alex37

First of all, not all Jews left. Second, we have a strong connection to this land, the land of our culture and nation. Third, we were forced to leave, not just "left". Fourth, we came back by ourselves and established everything here by ourselves, in a place where there was no country, so I can say that since 1880, it is a Jewish state. Tough we were recognized only in 1948. You can't question Israel's right to exist.

I'm not, I'm just saying you can't use the bullshit excuse of "we were here before"

Originally Posted by Alex37

The US should support India more. Stop giving help to Pakistan.

The US is neutral to the Indian-Pakistan conflict, it supports both nations since India has a huge economy and Pakistan contains many terrorists.

Originally Posted by Alex37

You can't know what's "biased" and what no.

You can't?

Originally Posted by Alex37

I said Afghanistan instead of Pakistan? I've confused between two Muslim fanatic countries, which are close to each other geographically, and have almost the same name? Shame on me.

Pakistan and Afghanistan are two different countries, and I'm sure they don't really care about Israel.

[Crazy Wolf]

I think this has gone on long enough.

One thing, though, Alex. Barack Hussein Obama has a black father and a white mother. He is as much white as he is black, making anti-white racism a bit difficult for him. Although one might argue a Muslim connection through his black father or his stepfather, one cannot argue an Arab connection through either of his parents.