United States and Russia agree to new nuclear arms reduction agreement

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by MrFancypants

Nukes work a bit faster though. They are probably more effective against military targets, command centers and logistics as well.

You launch your nukes at me, I launch my biological and chemical weapons at you - we both lose. I go out in a flash of fire, you go out in disease and starvation and widespread collapse of infrastructure. Sure your army might survive - although considering nerve agents are expressely designed to defeat protective measures these days that's debatable - but what are they going to eat, where are they going to get fuel from, or electricity, or wages? Militaries are fairly useless in the long run without a massive civilian infrastructure supporting them.

Nukes were a first strike weapon back in the days when the concept of a first strike still seemed feasable. But the advent of radar, optical sensors, satellites and computers means a first strike is no longer a viable doctrine and with the loss of that doctrine the niche for the nuke died as well.

[Showd0wN]

and some anti-Semite anti-Israeli anti-Zionist pro-Palestinian terror-lover won't tell us to stop

I suggest everyone just stop listening to alex to be honest. He has demonstrated a level of hypocrisy far beyond what could ever be "reasonable" in the name of debate.

Alex I refer you to your thread on "respect".

[Schofield]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pedantic

8) I imagine that if the US suddenly disappeared off the face of the Earth, Canada would suffer pretty bad. After all, the US and Canada only form the largest trading partnership in the world. Nothing to worry about, right?

Actually thats not true, Canada has all the natural resources you need to sustain a country, we could go years without trading, if we weren't invaded.

Originally Posted by Octovon

Canada would be a third world nation overnight if the US suddenly disappeared.

Thats so retarted I don't even know what to say.

Originally Posted by Mr. Pedantic

There's just so much bullshit here I don't know what to say.

Quoted for truth.

[Crazy Wolf]

To say that Canada would become a third world nation overnight is quite a bit of a stretch, but the Canadian economy would be significantly affected by the lack of trade with the United States. Odds are that after a while trade from other countries would increase, although prices for goods may increase slightly due to the transportation costs rising a bit.

Schofield, to say that you have "all the natural resources you need to sustain a country", you're forgetting about the issues of allocation and the workings of a capitalist society (and all of the benefits trading with the outside usually brings to a nation). It isn't enough that you aren't starving, it's having enough so that you don't have to ever worry about being hungry. North Korea has enough resources to exist as a nation, but misuse of those resources results in widespread malnutrition and poverty. How many Canadians are willing to take a significant hit to their quality of life? As much as I like self-sufficiency, it doesn't lend itself well to the nicer things in life.

[Mr. Matt]

Originally Posted by Alex37

For money, they are ready to risk humanity. See (on of the many reasosn) why I hate Obama?

I think you're missing my point. America and Russia could HALVE their nuclear weapons stockpiles, hell, knock three quarters of them off the books, and still have plenty of warheads to give the global ecosystem a crippling kick to the gonads at least a couple of times. And even then I doubt if they'd have enough delivery systems to launch them all simultaneously.

Where's the 'risk' here, exactly? Do you think a nasty little renegade country is going to sit there, read the news, and think to themselves, "HA! America can now only wipe out the world ONCE! It is time to invade, for we only fear being completely wiped out FIVE TIMES OR MORE! MWUHAHAAAAA!"

No. They're still going to be fearful of a multimegaton ICBM being rammed straight into their lavish palaces.

[Crazy Wolf]

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

I think you're missing my point. America and Russia could HALVE their nuclear weapons stockpiles, hell, knock three quarters of them off the books, and still have plenty of warheads to give the global ecosystem a crippling kick to the gonads at least a couple of times. And even then I doubt if they'd have enough delivery systems to launch them all simultaneously.

Where's the 'risk' here, exactly? Do you think a nasty little renegade country is going to sit there, read the news, and think to themselves, "HA! America can now only wipe out the world ONCE! It is time to invade, for we only fear being completely wiped out FIVE TIMES OR MORE! MWUHAHAAAAA!"

No. They're still going to be fearful of a multimegaton ICBM being rammed straight into their lavish palaces.

Matt, you ignorant slut! Don't you know that if we reduce our nuclear arsenal this much, we will never have a chance to punch through to the center of the earth in a day? This eliminates any chance of straight-up creating a volcano through the repeated application of nuclear weapons to the same area.

[Mr. Matt]

Originally Posted by Crazy Wolf

Matt, you ignorant slut! Don't you know that if we reduce our nuclear arsenal this much, we will never have a chance to punch through to the center of the earth in a day? This eliminates any chance of straight-up creating a volcano through the repeated application of nuclear weapons to the same area.

But I thought that's what thermobaric weapons and space-based mass accelerators were for!

[Roaming East]

nah thermobaric weapons are around cause hippies dont like us burning bad guys out of caves the old fashion way...with fire. So now we gotta go hi-tech em into goo nowadays.

[Crazy Wolf]

Because burning or suffocating people by shooting napalm into a cave would be cruel.

[Alex37]

Just because he went to "Muslim school" (I don't know the exact details about it hence the quotes) does not imply that he is muslim. I went to a catholic school for 8 years. Does that mean I am catholic?

I also want some sauce on where Obama said he wants to get rid of all nuclear weapons.

The point is not the two years in a Muslim school - the point is that he wrote this fact in a book, but lied to the public and said that it didn't happen. The fact that he is lying to America about who he is, proves only that what he tries to hide is the sad truth, and that he cannot be trusted.

And he did said once that he wishes a nuclear-free world. That is one of his democrat liberal (more like socialist) missions.

Then why don't you write to your government and ask them to nuke Iran right now? I am getting sick of hearing about how much Iran wants to destroy Israel. If you are that worried about it, grow some balls and launch your nukes.

To be honest; how can I know what my goverment is planning. It sems so obvious that the time to attack is now, that it has already became a joke in the Israeli society about why doesn't the goverment to anything. We just wait.

And we have enough balls (we attack Iraq and Syria once), it's just that we have a lot of pressure on us, from the world, and from the Iran-Syria-Turkey-Hezbollah's direction. "We don't don't attack - we don't have balls. We attack - we are war criminals." That's pretty much the world's policy about us.

He describes his father as "raised a Muslim", but a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and his stepfather as "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful". Obama explained how, through working with black churches as a community organizer while in his twenties, he came to understand "the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change". He was baptized at the Trinity United Church of Christ in 1988 and was an active member there for two decades.

Hes no Muslim.

Other than what I've said above, no one has gave any real explanation to why this person is an anti-Israeli pro-Arab president. Crazyness? May be. Islamism? Certainly. And his "Church" is anti-Semitic. He never left it. Know why? Because he agrees with it. He loves his anti-Semitic priest (who denies the holocaust, like his obviously good friend, Ahmedinjad), because he gives the legitimacy to anti-Semitic statments. Obama can never be a friend of Israel, or any other self-respecting Jewish society.

Just because I went to a Christian school for a couple of years does not mean I am automatically a Christian. Also, how could Obama be Arab?

I have already answered the first statment, and as for the question, you should know that he has roots in Arab countries. But his Arab blood is not as important as his Islamic ideology. As mch as race effects people, ideology and religion effect even more. And before you all turn on your racist alert (it's probably too late), I should tell you that Obama himself (we're talking about the president of the US, remember?) is extrimely racist. Because of his Church. His priest is extrimely anti-Jewish and anti-White person. Both Obama and his priest are "black racists" - an ideology that prefers the blacks over the whites. They both are as bad as the KKK.

I hate Obama so much, and I told you many reasosn, I want to say something that I am not allowed to say about him. So I will just think it, and you all will have to guess what it is. Seriously tough, his policies are very harmful.

But then, if neither have nukes, then if they do attack each other it will be using conventional warfare. And not to be callous about lives or anything, but in that case, so what?

One may completely lose. A WWIII. If the US wins (and it will, if this will happen), we can say everything is good. But if not, both Russia and the oil countries (mostly Arab countries, though others too) will control this world. Until there will be left no oil and everything will gone back to 3world countries. Because the no-oil technologies are in the hands of the West. No West + no oil = the end of human civilization, as we know it.

This is what we have, regarding Israel and Nuclear weapons:

1) Israel won't disclose the extent of it's nuclear weapons program. In fact, Israel won't even publicly admit it has nuclear weapons.
2)Israel has not signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty.

Given those 2 points, I have to say that whatever your intentions, you're not expressing them very well. At least North Korea is willing to admit that it's developing nuclear weapons.

Oh, and also, I doubt North Korea would invade someone other than South Korea any time soon. They have a very large army, but I doubt it can project force any further than the Korean peninsula.

Israel is in danger, allways. Israel doesn't want to use the nuclear weapons. The world has recognized Israel's right to have nuclear weapons. You can't compare this to Iran and NK, you simply can't.

And NK may not invade anyone, but you don't want them to have nukes, this is very dangerous.

As you say, the process will happen slowly. So why blame Obama for this? He's neither the one that started, nor the one that finished the process. He's just somewhere in between. So why is his contribution so dire?

And I highly doubt that everyone is afraid of Russia because of nuclear weapons. Russia has very large natural resource reserves, which they leverage. That is why they are powerful. They won't really be better off by attacking the USA. Ever.

I blame Obama for not stopping this proccess, and for trying to give more legitimacy to this process. He just tries to have a Western world with no nukes. More than any other president. So you should expect that the world won't like it.

And if Russia destroys the US, it will control everything. Until the end of the human civilization, as I already said. My country, Israel, the "the US' best friend", has the technologies to have a world with no oil, so we will stop giving money to the Arab Muslim terror-supporter countries. With no US or Israel, the world will still eat the Arabs' oil until it will end, then the world will be left with no energy. By not being dependent on oil, you actually save Earth. Israel (and, eventually, the US) has the technologies for that, so you should think about it next time you scream "boycot Israel blah blah blah!!!".

So then why are you so hesitant to attack Iran?

The left-wingers choose to listen to Obam and the EU. I guess they hate Israel, their only homeland.
It's the work of Ehud Barak, if not him, Iran's nuclear factories were gone long time ago.

Spoiler:

That's what happen when you blindly push it to the left-wing... Proved by the history.

These are very interesting claims. Can we get some proof for this? And while you're at it, how about some evidence that all this is relevant?

It is relevant, because personal ideology is relevant. You're question isn't smart at all, honestly.

The purpose Biden was there was to encourage peace talks. Whatever your view on the situation, you must be smart enough to realize that saying you're going to keep on going in Jerusalem is not very conducive to peace.

Why? What does building in our capital has to do with the peace process? We have every right to build in Jerusalem. The world wants my city Tel - Aviv to be the capital, but ALL OF US disagree. Because 3000+ years old Jerusalem is ours. Remember 1967? Jordan? Jordan attacked, Jordan lost. And Jordan doesn't want it back (and even if they do, they don't have the right, because they started the war, but anyway, they don't want it back,). It has nothing to do with the piss (not peace, but piss) process with the Palestinians. And yes, it is piss process, because it's like a 3D movie, it's so close, you can actually think that it's real, even if it's not at all.

What?! What does India have to do with this now?...

The Indians hate Obama's support towards Afganistan.

I think you're missing my point. America and Russia could HALVE their nuclear weapons stockpiles, hell, knock three quarters of them off the books, and still have plenty of warheads to give the global ecosystem a crippling kick to the gonads at least a couple of times. And even then I doubt if they'd have enough delivery systems to launch them all simultaneously.

Where's the 'risk' here, exactly? Do you think a nasty little renegade country is going to sit there, read the news, and think to themselves, "HA! America can now only wipe out the world ONCE! It is time to invade, for we only fear being completely wiped out FIVE TIMES OR MORE! MWUHAHAAAAA!"

No. They're still going to be fearful of a multimegaton ICBM being rammed straight into their lavish palaces.

The thing is not their ability to destroy Earth, it's just that with no nuclear weapons, nothing will stop a war between the US and Russia. And I say "no nuclear weapons", because this is Obama's mission. You don't take risks with WWs. At least, you should not take such risks, especially if you're the US president.