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YouTube - 16 Year Old Girl Buried Alive By Father, Grandfather

Just another taste of how evil, sick, pathetic, twisted, sad, insane, and retarted, humanity can be.

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Its was for honor, so its acceptable.....

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My god...Evil really does exist. :cort:

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Youtube is being gay right now, can someone tell exactly what happened?

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girl was talking to boys, dad/grandpa got pissed. Buried her alive...sick isnt it.

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Islam extremist's. Just execute every single one of them. Treat them no different then they treat women.

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A father and grandfather caught their daughter chatting with boys when she was forbidden to. For punishment they buried her alive. When authorities found out the grandfather and father stated it was to save there honor.

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Young Turks are pretty liberally biased, they get pretty boring after a while and I don't get why you would go on for 4 minutes constantly repeating what you said, its horrible we know, you don't need to constantly cuss them out, its not like anyone is disagreeing with you that it was perfectly fine (well those who have internet access).

Is it not playing at all? I find deleting your browsing history then refreshing the page it works.

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What. That's just pathetic.

Religion makes people do crazy things but the girl should have been given the chance to live out her life.

Just 16...! She's just too young to die.

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Hmmm Islamic family once again kills family member over a perceived slight to their honor.

Apparently a meeting of the either family elders or tribal elders decided her punishment.

Im sorry. I am not shocked or surprised to this.

This is not a illness that will just go away, it is taught from birth by a fucked up system that needs to die.

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Who said anything about them being an 'Islamic' family? They're Eastern Turks, they care more for themselves than they do for the nation or Islam.

They're mountain Turks ffs what do you expect from such retards, they still live in a backward way of life and should be bitchslapped till death :p As for the girl yeah terrible news such a shame to hear such a young girl being buried alive by her own blood. Mum's friend was one of the arresting Officers (Ultra-Nationalist Civil Cop type) and he came over saying we did this to the guys and we did that to the two idiots. I imagine by now the two guys are probably half dead by now...

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I wonder whether she knew she shouldn't be speaking to boys. If she did it was an act of gross stupidity, both to do it in the first place and then to fail to take appropriate action to protect herself afterwards.

Though of course father and grandfather v-evil, etc.

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Can't say I'm suprised, a few note worthy honour killings make it to the (front) page of the newspapers. All I got to say is that it's quite backwards and retarded of these people. That people might be condcerned about their reputation after something shocking such as murder, crime or being a total retard repeatidly, sure. THough even then murder would not be an approperiate reaction. Say you catch your child (boy or girl) commiting a crime (theft, fraud, rape, whatever), I'd fully understand castin them out of the family.

But murder? Hell no. Especially not over something silly as speaking with the wrong guy/girl (though in these cases it mostly seam to be the women that are blamed and the men generally seam to get away with things much more easily). Now if she was a total slut and whored herself to every guy in town... sure, cast her out and tell her to never show her face in town again. But speaking to men? Tht's just pathetic.

And indeed like Tolga said, who said anything about this being "islamic", it's a backwards cultural (regional) thing. Some silly tribes with a silly world view.

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The sad thing is - you cant just carpet bomb the place - there are normal people down there too...

Oh - this is the pub, huh - em... srs bsns

Em...

This is sad - the honor system is completely fucked up - fathers strangling their daughters to death over some perceived slight etc... But burying them alive - what a shitty way to die... Also - it is generally ALWAYS the daughters that get punished, as they are perceived to be the weaker (morally) sex... they lead men astray with their evil ways... Didn't you guys know this?

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A female's greatest value in a society with that sort of development level is to produce children.

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Well we could tell Tolga to go there and execute them all. :evilgrin:

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I wonder what would make somebody's reputation worse - their daughter having a chat with some boys, or BURYING HER ALIVE SO THAT SHE DIES A SLOW, PAINFUL AND TERRIFYING DEATH!

I know which one I'd be more embarrassed about, were I a parent.

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Don't you mean Nitestryker?
In Extremist Islam Middle East, the first one complety destroys your honor!

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Apparently this wasnt a spur of the moment decision.

Teenage girl buried alive in Turkey for talking to boys - Telegraph

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See, her talking to boys shows she's not respecting your wishes, Matt. Burying her alive shows that you're in charge, even if it's a sadistic fucked-up thing to do to anyone, let alone the fruit of your loins :nodding:

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Talking of people being buried alive I found this snippet recently that some of you might find interesting.

We were so angry with the prisoners that we didn't shoot them but, rather, decided to punish them severely.
"It will be a waste of bullets to shoot them," the lieutenant said. So we gave them shovels and demanded, at gunpoint, that they dig their own graves. We sat under the huts smoking marijuana and watched them dig in the rain. Each time they slowed down, we would shoot around them and they would resume digging faster. When they were done digging, we tied them and stabbed their legs with bayonets. Some of them screamed, and we laughed and kicked them to shut them up. We then rolled each man into his hole and covered him with the wet mud. All of them were frightened, and they tried to get up and out of the hole as we pushed the dirt back on them, but when they saw the tips of our guns pointed into the hole, they lay back and watched us with their pale sad eyes. They fought under the soil with all their might. I heard them groan underneath as they fought for air. Gradually, they gave up, and we walked away.
"At least they are buried," one of the soldiers said, and we laughed. I smiled a bit again as we walked back to the fire to warm ourselves.

—Ishmael Beah, A Long Way Gone: Memoirs of a Boy Soldier

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The lesson to that anekdote being that you better fight back, you may just win and get escape or atleast die rather quickly. Beats suffocating I bet.

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There are radical followers of every religion, not just Islam.

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I wouldn't say Turkey constituted an undeveloped society.

In theory this could happen in the UK as well, it's not like we haven't had honour killings here.

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Bad thing about places like this is, they dont think they are doing anything wrong. They still live in the stone ages and havent advanced as a civilization beyond pathetic tribal actions. You cant go in and upgrade their civilization. This was abhorrent by their primitive standards. Give them 500 years and they MIGHT have cobblestone roads.

Ah. Makes perfect sense. And a country caught a father and grandfather burying people alive for instinct urges, so they launched a tungsten rod from space and blew apart their villiage.


More and more I want to bring down the moon on the middle east.

I bet nothing happened to the guys who were talking to her, except they got cockblocked.

I would love to push the red button and implode that part of the Earth into the core.

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Religion in general does this. Not to point fingers, but history has shown Christians to be even more genocidal than Muslims (the crusades, persecution of jews, the holocaust). Hitler was a christian btw, he even asked one of his generals in the middle east to find proof of christ's existence.

Not saying Islam is good, but I think some of you are suggesting that Islam is a totally evil religion while Christianity seems to go unmentioned.

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I thinks thats more than a bit insulting. I recently found that I'm not from a turkic background (actually its mixed Basque and Kurdish), but even to a non turk it seems pretty insulting. Thats like saying all white people are racist snobs who are fat and read the bible everyday.

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I think it's more akin to calling people who live in the Southern USA a bunch of inbred behind-the-times retards. Still insulting, to be sure. Would it be a less tasteless remark if you didn't consider yourself part Turkish? Keep in mind the poster you're responding to is also Turkish.

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Yes but as of late, the muslims are really catching up.

Everyone in all of history has persecuted the jews. Half the time it seems the jewish religion was created just to have something to hate.

I dont think the holocaust can be attributed to "Christianity", more of "one guy really effing lost it and a bunch of people who were 'just following ore-dah's' ".

I think both are totally moronic and should be eliminated, to be quite honest. More people have died by religiously-motivated violence than by anything else in the history of humanity.

Truth hurts.

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I normally do not agree with you, but this is very correct IMO.

Even though this kind of stuff does not directly affect me. It pisses me off beyond belief. This whole "It was for the family" bullshit is at the same thought level as a fuckin primate. I firmly believe the grandfather and father should be killed the same way as the murder of the daughter. And the fuckskulls at the police station that did not do shit when she reported CHILD ABUSE should also be charged with something.

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History is irrelevant when talking about what people are doing today. It doesn't matter what the Catholic church did 800 years ago. No one who lived then is still alive, and there is no way you can blame the Catholic church of today for the crusades of generations and generations ago.

And religion in general does NOT do this. Most Muslims or Christians or Buddhist or Taoists are not going to fucking bury their kids in the ground for being offended. You think it's bad to insult them for their Turkish background? You just insulted at least 5 billion people.

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I can understand that people get irritated over things, but for them to actually murder, or even harm a human being for something like this is ridiculous by all means. Call my crazy, but personally I find talking to someone about something that makes you feel uncomfortable to be more beneficial than anything else.

Humanity has its downturns, though. It has always been that way and news like this seems to be becoming more and more common. Just be thankful that most of us come from somewhere where we don't have to worry about things like this.

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Typical religion based hatered and malice, but religion is not the cause here is it, its the people, ppfftt.
Reminds me of 'guns dont kill people do', hahahah bs.
Guns kill, and religions are a major cause of violence and death. Lets face it if they were not invented, you might have an argument and evidence, but since it hasnt happened that way in history, l guess religions really do cause wars and death and this sort of retarded sick shit.
Islamic religion is the worst for it.
Its the easiest to misinterpret, how retarded is that.
Them people, father and son should be placed in a discusting prison for the rest of there lives.
Trust me thats worse than death...

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You know this how? :Puzzled:

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Life in prison ain't fun, most certainly not if your movement is severely restricted and you got few contraptions or gagets to keep you occupied. It ain't a suprise that some people ask for the death penalty instead (the most well known once is probably that petition of italian inmates who pleased to be executed over having to rot in jail or commit suicide in jail).

Now unless they'd give me some villa I could fully understand why people would prefer to be executed over being contrained to a cell for many many long years.

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I call bullshit on your bullshit.

Guns do not kill people. People holding guns kill people. Swords, knives, clubs, pointed sticks, whatever weapon you wish to insert into the phrase can only kill when wielded by a person with the moral fortitude, right or wrong, to take another persons life.

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l call bullshit on your bullshit Anlushac11 , in the US 25000 gun related deaths a year, in OZ 120 gun related deaths a year, the difference, the gun laws, the evidence is clear as crystal, talk shit all u like but guns do kill, and all it takes is an idiot behind one to proove it.

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That just proves that those people had a preference for guns as their weapon.

The whole debate is kind of void though. Guns don't kill, put one on your shelf and it will sit there without killing anyone unless someone comes along and uses it, but people kill much more readily and easily with ready access to guns.

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Oh yea because there 25000 deaths from punch ups every year isnt there ?

And people dont shoot people up in your schools over there do they, l call bullshit on your reasons, look at the stats, which are real, and tell a story, that guns being so prolific is a big problem.
If you cant work that out your behind the 8 ball already.....

There are syko people in every country in the world, why arm them with leathal weapon, over non leathal ?
Common sence mate, guns kill. It only takes one idiot behind one to prove it.
And idiot with a fist is not likely to kill you with one hit, but an idiot with 1 bullet in a loaded gun, can kill you way easier, the stats proove it beyond any dought, all you are, is in denial.......

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Jackripped, did you read Nemmerle's post at all?

Also, how many of those were gun homicides versus gun suicides? I know that doesn't account for all of the disparity, but guns make suicide so much easier.

So, Nemmerle, how much have gun laws in Britain affected the overall violent crime rates? Have they removed homicides, or have they just encouraged more people to switch to knives?

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Sorry presumed l was talking to an American.
l was talking about the US not the UK.

l drink with a canadian and a yank, funniest people around, really, you should here some of the stuff they come up with, awsome.l dunno about drinkin with a scot, first you gotta understand em, LOL, then you gotta be carefull not to call him Irish ! LOL !
Saw the funniest thing with a scot in the torquay pub here in hervey bay qld australia, about 2 years ago, the scot bet some aussie clowns over a game of pool, two drink bet, the scot won, and the last thing l saw was the scot chasing the aussies down the esplanade with the pool que. Funny thing is the aussies had been kinda intimidating him for a couple of hours, but when they fuked with his beer, jeeeeessuuuuuusss, he went into syko daddy mode, and me and brett [ mate ] were just pissing ourselves laughing, pissing ourselves !

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Of course not, if you want to kill someone you go and get a gun - if you can't get a gun you run them over with a car, failing that you go with a hammer or a knife or a bottle or some other weapon. You don't want to fight them, you want to kill them.

The use of your fists is primarily on women and children to knock them into line, and you're quite right there are relatively few fatalities from it. That's not an aspect of the thing itself though it's an aspect of the threat environment it exists in. If I want someone dead and I don't have a weapon then I'm going to use my hands, (and a few mates to hold him down while I do it.) Since there are guns however I don't need to do that and thus there are relatively few fist related deaths.

If you're using a fist to try and kill someone it just means you've exhausted all other options. If you're smart - well if you're smart you won't be doing it but if you're an evil little shit you don't want to fight someone, you want to kill them.

They're going to have lethal weapons anyway, it's not like they're hard to come by. Indeed there are estimated to be more guns in the hands of criminals now than there were before the UK effectively banned the things.

All you get to do with legislation is fiddle with the proportion of firearms in responsible hands versus those in irresponsible hands. The real problem occurs when you have a place where people are generally unarmed and there are a few psychos with guns - school shootings and the like. We hear about columbine all the time but how often do you hear about the campus shootings that were prevented by armed citizens? They've happened - but you don't hear about them very much since, to quote an old media maxim, 'If it bleeds it leads.' Wonder what genius came up with that idea.

If it takes the idiot to prove it then it's not really the gun that's at fault.

It might be easier for him to kill me with a gun but that doesn't seem to be in conflict with my earlier point.

Besides most people really suck at shooting, idiots especially. Look at school shooting statistics, pay special attention to the number of shots fired versus the fatalities. Theoretically if he was really close or really lucky he could kill me with one shot but the same goes for coming up behind me with a knife, or he could run me over with a car a couple of times, or just on luck he might hit me at the right angle and with enough force to kill me.

The number of crimes involving firearms went up dramatically in the years following the ban, at its peak more than doubling its pre-ban rate, and as far as I know has yet to return to its pre-ban level.

Ah here’s an interesting one from last year
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Mail Online
Most interesting part of it is this bit,
The number of murders peaked during the 2000s, specifically 02/03, though 08/09 went pretty well with a surprise 20 year low in reported murders. More people getting shot less people dying?

Considering the ten years or so the ban on handguns had been in effect by that point though, that there are now predicted to be more weapons in the country than before the ban - the majority of which will be illegal, and the fact that murders were much higher the year before it seems unlikely that the handgun ban was responsible for that though.

The number of crimes involving sharp pointy things is around four times the number of crimes involving firearms.

I don’t think the handgun ban did much to alter the number of criminals with handguns or the number of murders – those things are far more an aspect of culture than an aspect of law. Police are openly patrolling with submachine guns in some areas now which gives me a bit of a chuckle.

‘Trust the policeman and his MP5, sweetie.’

Yeah, bollocks to that.

If things keep going the way they have been over the last decade I think it’s only a matter of time before we start arming our entire police force, (rather than just the selected firearms officers we arm at the moment,) with more formidable weapons to balance the criminals increasing arsenal.

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And you are a shining exsample of why America will never change.
Because you live in denial, take guns away, no matter what you say, the deaths absolutely decrease , ALOT.
Believe what you want, but the real evidence is in the stats, and if you look at them objectively, its obvious gun laws need very tight control.

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Let's see these stats of yours then.

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Couple of year old but the average is about the same, or higher. It was 29000 deaths sorry not 25000, mmm lul...

The New York Times > Week in Review > Image > An Accounting of Daily Gun Deaths

and here from OZ


and by the way, the stats speak for themselves.


Results of the '96 Australian Gun Laws (updated 2009) (GunsAndCrime.org)

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According to that the major group of those gun deaths was suicides, so they're hardly something to be overly concerned about. And as I've pointed out simply because a gun is involved in an incident it doesn't make it responsible for that incident.

Did you even bother reading it? You realise the site you just linked me to says that the Australian 96 gun laws/buyback had little perceivable effect?

I tried holding my ear close to my computer but you know I think stats actually have to be read. I think that reading is an inherently subjective thing requiring the engagement of the reader and that it relies upon the reader’s awareness of the subject under discussion along with the concepts being used to discuss it. That as such stats do not speak for themselves but simply fit into a much larger theoretical framework, and that the opinion to the contrary is one expressed by people who’ve simply never bothered to make a study of statistics to justify their ignorance.

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jackripped, also keep in mind that saying gun bans lower gun crime is sorta like saying a dam is supposed to hold water. It's an oversimplification and it doesn't tell you if the society has become less violent, it's just focusing on the specific thing banned. If I was to ban Toyotas in my state to combat pollution, and then ten years later released a report talking about how few Toyotas there were in my state, does that then mean that overall the pollution has gone down?

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What you guys are missing though, and it probably should be stressed more is thats the percentage of homes and people with actual gun possession is lower, and the stats show us overall death rates are down.
The difference on the street is in australia you dont have guns in every street , ends up in a punch up not a shoot out.
l dont think you guys honestly realise the damage your slack gun laws really do to your society.

Does the bill of rights actually say you can carry a gun, or does it say you can bear arms ?
Whats the actual wording ?

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That comment seemed well beneath someone of your stature.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed