US making battleplans for Nuclear Iran

[Karst]

Israel already has nukes, the existence of which it neither denies nor confirms.
And although they talk in a more conventional Western manner, their foreign policy has been much more aggressive than Iran.
So why is everybody worried?
It seems more likely at this point that they really are only after nuclear power, but if they want nukes to deter Israel that seems a good enough reason as well.

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by Buddy Jesus

I have to say, I think you're under estimating the fight Israel has within it. You better believe that when Israel goes balls to wall against Iran's nuke program they're going to be committed and ready to take any other steps necessary against the guys who want to "wipe Israel off the face of the earth." For all intents and purposes the gloves will come off so to speak.

All I have to say is I'd hate to be the country to backs Israel into a corner because, as history has shown time and time again, They lose, and they lose big.

No, they don't. History has shown that if you go to war against Israel you stand to lose almost nothing which is an equal measure to what Israel gains, even when it wins. Egypt & co still exist and are still sitting pretty. There's no point in Israel taking the territory because once you have it you can't utilise the resources - and by resources I mean people - on it properly since doing so would offend your rich Western backers.

Which you can't do because history has shown that the Crusader Kingdom's that existed roughly where Israel does don't go out in a blaze of glory, the minute their overseas backing vanishes they start to lose influence and are eaten bit by bit, absorbed into the surrounding empires. It's about resources and the birth rate - you get too few resources from overseas and you lack the wealth to defend yourselves, you get too many and you lack the population to expand. Israel is a country on life support; all the countries that have existed there have been unless part of much larger local empires; it’s not a strategically viable asset.

Besides if Iran seriously wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the earth I think they'd have done it a long time ago, nukes are not necessarily the only way to kill lots of people.

[NiteStryker]

I really dont think anybody has the level of stupidity (save for terrorists) to actually use government-stored WMD's.

[Warforger]

Originally Posted by NiteStryker

I really dont think anybody has the level of stupidity (save for terrorists) to actually use government-stored WMD's.

The problem is Nukes are kinda like a badge saying you can do whatever you want

[NiteStryker]

Originally Posted by Warforger

The problem is Nukes are kinda like a badge saying you can do whatever you want

But think about it. Of all the shit in the world, nukes are so out of the realm of possibility as a legitimate move to attain power, there is no point in talking about them. They arnt even really a factor in anything. Nobody is going to use a nuke even if they have one, save for terrorist groups because they dont give a fuck and have nothing to loose.

[Anlushac11]

I disagree.

Nukes have never been used since WW2 because the world saw first hand how devastating and horrible they are and no one wants to experience that or be responsible for that happening again.


IMHO the only people who would use nukes today with no remorse is terrorists or religious zealots.

Groups like Al Qaeda give you both in one neat efficient well financed package.

[NiteStryker]

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

Nukes have never been used since WW2 because the world saw first hand how devastating and horrible they are and no one wants to experience that or be responsible for that happening again.

A nuke doesnt open the doorway for attack. Iran already has enough weaponry to attack Isreal right now if it really wanted to. If they had such a burning hatred and desire, they would have already attacked.

The only actual threat I would see, is they get a nuke and sell it to a terrorist group.

[Mr. Matt]

Originally Posted by NiteStryker

The only actual threat I would see, is they get a nuke and sell it to a terrorist group.

^ This.

Iran and North Korea share one thing in common - proliferation. Despite the insanity of their respective governments, neither country is liable to actually use such weapons in anger. More likely is the possibility that they will sell them, or even give them away, to one of the multitude of clandestine organisations which they support. North Korea is also not a member of the NPT, and Iran has consistently violated it.

[Destroyer25]

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

^ This.

Iran and North Korea share one thing in common - proliferation. Despite the insanity of their respective governments, neither country is liable to actually use such weapons in anger. More likely is the possibility that they will sell them, or even give them away, to one of the multitude of clandestine organisations which they support. North Korea is also not a member of the NPT, and Iran has consistently violated it.

I agree with this, even if Iran got nukes they wont use them. However I don't even believe Iran will attempt to get nukes. They say they are but I don't think they are. They know that as soon as the world has hard evidence that nukes are being constructed, then Israel will attack Iran in Nazi-Fascist style. An ultimatum will be sent saying immediately terminate your nuclear program, then Israel will bomb the shit out of them. Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt wouldn't dare do anything. They know that they won't win against Israel. Also war with Iran would give Israel an opportunity to completely destroy the Gaza Strip, they will say that Iran is giving Hamas chem weapons or something like that.

Personally I like Israel, I think that they have some outstanding generals and as a fan of modern warfare and history I have a strong hatred for Israels neighbors. Simply because they are all pussies who cant even beat Isreal 3 or 4 vs 1. If Iran got wiped out it would solve a lot of problems in the world. Whos supplying all the terrorist groups in the world? During the time of Hezbollah most of the arms weren't from Iran.

[Smitty025]

Originally Posted by Destroyer25

They know that they won't win against Israel. Also war with Iran would give Israel an opportunity to completely destroy the Gaza Strip, they will say that Iran is giving Hamas chem weapons or something like that.

Just how the backwoods farmers in Afghanistan and the people of Iraq knew they couldn't beat the US right? While they haven't won, they aren't even close to losing yet and we've been fighting them for 8 years now.

Personally I like Israel, I think that they have some outstanding generals and as a fan of modern warfare and history I have a strong hatred for Israels neighbors.

So because you like their tactics you must hate their enemies?

Simply because they are all pussies who cant even beat Isreal 3 or 4 vs 1.

In conventional warfare, no they can't. Remember though, conventional warfare is not the name of the game there. The center of gravity for these societies is not the state as it has been in most of the European wars, it's the people. Israel has little chance of winning over the people.



Anyway, back to Iran. If we didn't want them to have nuclear weapons, it would be more beneficial for us if we just removed their desire for them. Examine the reasons why they feel they need nuclear weapons and eliminate those reasons.